U.S. helicopter accidentally dumps Afghan ballot boxes

reply to post by IDK88


Oh im with you completely, I don't believe this was a freak accident for a second. Something like ballot boxes full of votes would be treated with to much importance for their to be any accidents.

This kind of thing happening is just another example of the corruption that exists in politics inside and outside Afghanistan. Your right sadly that nobody cares in the slightest, this could happen in a Western country and nobody would bat an eyelid.

Its a sorry state of affairs to be in, its no wonder nobody is surprised when politicians are proven corrupt, liars and all round untrustworthy on a daily basis. It seems they can get away with anything they want nowadays.

Originally posted by IDK88
reply to post by jd140

 

A plausible answer...someone is trying to sabatoge America's effort in Afghanistan...they don't want a definitive and accepted outcome to the election...so they ordered some of their operatives to accidently lose some ballots.

The point of the enemy, who is obviously operating to some extent, within our own forces, is to defeat our efforts or to make the adventure as expensive as possible. If democracy is part of our product, they do something like take a crap all over the democratic process...by losing people's votes.

Think about Florida's votes or Ohio's Votes...the votes wouldn't change the ultimate outcome but people don't like the idea of their voice being silenced. But its cool with you its not that many votes. Sure, these people, in Afghanistan, risked being murdered by the extremeists to go to polling stations. No big deal; quit armchair quaterbacking.

You should be the first person fired, you're ^%*^% and your thinking process gets people killed and it puts at risk 8 years of work. Every vote has to be counted and not lost and it is a big deal. People like you in the leadership is probably why it's taking so long. You're more concerned with the reputation of your troops than the job itself.

I guess it doesn't matter because Karzai and his Hat will be in a run-off in October. Maybe they can get that loser and whoever's supporting him out of power then.





[edit on 27-8-2009 by IDK88]

If you insist that this is a conspiracy then there isn't much else to say excep this.

I will say to you what I say to everyone with your type of "I'm right, you're wrong attitude". An attitude where you insist on resorting to personal attacks.

You are right.

reply to post by jd140


Yeah...you didn't like the personal attack, huh? Good. I tried to keep it light...with my references to the comedy stylings of the 3 Stooges, Abbot & Costello and Darth Vader's management style. But you had to get serious. The ballots are lost...there will probably be a run-off anyway and America will win this thing anyway.

Growing up in Chicagoland, I've learned how to sound very abrasive and rip people apart without actually hating them. I am a Cubs and Bears fan...it my way of saying you guys are really hurting my feelings...this naturally then extends to my analysis of the Armies performance in life and death international conflicts.

But I was serious...I find slapstick annoying and it would be nice to learn that I am not the only one that thinks the military is purposely making this war last longer than it has to.

[edit on 28-8-2009 by IDK88]

why is it so hard for the usa to just go home and start rebuilding their own country instead of demolishing others.

its not like any of the 70+ wars they ve had during the last 50 years done any good to the world.

pack your bags and get out FF

reply to post by IDK88


Acually your personal attack didn't bother me. It just showed the type of person you are. I don't waste my time on people who can only get their points across by putting down others. I don't care where they are from or how tough they think they might be.

I opened up a space just for you on the ignore list. Enjoy your time there.

[edit on 28-8-2009 by jd140]

ok if you were not there then you have no opinion on this. yes i was there i witnessed it. there was no conspiracy, # happens. the door to the container broke open in mid flight, about 4 boxes fell out, all recovered. dont any of you know by now the media exaggerates things? the votes were allready counted anyways. as far as the rugged mountains, have you ever been here? the whole country is rugged mountains! sorry to ruin all your ideas of some kind of conspiracy. its too bad that some of us are here trying to help this country while you sit back behind your computers and bad mouth the military and the united states.

reply to post by IDK88


are you serious? reading the stories, who writes the stories? why dont you come over here and find out for yourself. ignorant!

I imagine that since the US military had their hands on those ballots, then they were worth about as much being dumped as they were if they had arrived at their destination. How could anyone expect a fair outcome in an election where the country's "invaders" are in charge of ballot security. It matters not, as the newly "elected leader" will be the one the US supports.

Just my 2-cents

reply to post by gunner18


4 boxes?

I think I will take the word of the LT over a random person on ATS.

Lets see, a military spokesman says 25 out of 50 got dumped and 15 recoverd. You say 4 got dumped.

Yeah, I'm going with the spokesman.

reply to post by jd140


i said i was there, you wanted to know what happend i told you

reply to post by gunner18


I'm on Mars right now.

Want me to tell you whats going on?

reply to post by gunner18


you can belive who you want, a spokesman who is told what to say or somone who witnessed it first hand

Originally posted by gunner18
reply to post by gunner18

 

you can belive who you want, a spokesman who is told what to say or somone who witnessed it first hand

You do realize that we get a lot of wanna be's here on ATS. Statements such as yours are bound to be discounted without any corroborating evidence. Got any?

reply to post by whaaa


how would you like me to prove it?

reply to post by gunner18


i cant prove to you how many boxes fell out or how they were all collected i dont have a video of it happening

reply to post by gunner18


As im sure you can imagine just saying you were there is not really going to cut it with people. Personally i think its 50/50 whether you were there or not, either way it makes no difference to me.

If you were there though could you give some more info about the circumstances? Where you were to see it happen, were you on the chopper etc?

reply to post by refuse_orders


yes i was on the helicopter, the container was too large to fit inside the aircraft, so it was sling loaded beneath the aircraft, one of the sling ropes caught onto one of the latches on the door and broke it open. about 4 or 5 boxes fell out, it was landed asap and the door was shut.

reply to post by gunner18


Tell me how you landed without a ground crew to unhook the container before the helicopter touched down or how you took off without a ground crew to hook you back up?

reply to post by gunner18


How many boxes were being transported? Seems odd that a container door would swing open and only 5 would fall out. Also how would you notice they had fallen out if they were in a sling underneath a helicopter that was in flight?

Im not saying you were not there, just the whole thing seems a little weird.

It's amazing a war is being fought, men die...economies collapse...political gridlock is normal, but everyone is doing the best they can and there are no conspiracies.

You know what, the military is becoming as bad as the cops. We keep you safe...blah blah blah...no you don't...quit lying. You are a part of a society...ONE part, no more important than any other.

If I could go to the military I would. I can't go to the military and serve because America wants to win its wars. So you guys do your job and I'll do mine.

You've were handed victory years ago and your leadership has decided now that it doesn't want the war to end. Economics or something.

It's obvious that they have every intention of keeping this FAKE conflict going to keep the money coming in. And you guys want respect.

[edit on 28-8-2009 by IDK88]