Massachusetts Senate pass bill 2028: Quarantine or $1000 a day fine for refusing the vaccine

How did such a bill get passed? Was it forced through by the medical industry? Special interests? Certainly not the people... who are essentially the government.

What other states have bills like this on the table???

Originally posted by DevilJin
What most concern you should have is the fact that the vaccines are not even tested to work. I've never heard of a vaccine being put out without being approved to be effective.

I've never heard of any vaccine being proved to be effective period!

Oh, sorry, you said 'approved' not 'proved', that's a different thing entirely.

There isn't any evidence proving any single vaccine ever created as necessary, safe and effective. For it to be mandated it must be all 3.

To the guy that posted about poor old big pharma withdrawing from the vaccine industry 'cos they can't turn a profit, I got a lovely oceanfront condo for sale in Germany.

I hope this doesn't happen in California, although I doubt we would let that be forced on to us. This is definately something worth revolting against. I'm sure Cheney and his friends are making alot of money off the vaccines since they invested soo much in the vaccine companies.(especially now since they are making it Mandatory)...Sick...
www.advancedhealthplan.com...

Also, this may be a lil off topic, but may stream into others.. interesting....
blogs.usatoday.com...

reply to post by Recon3


Here it is
www.mass.gov...

enjoy!

Originally posted by jtma508
There's a good deal of good thought in this thread but I have to tell you there is a huge amount of ignorance and hyperbole. Nowhere does the bill say that quarantine means hauling you off to some detention facility. The way that this has been handled historically is to qurantine people in their homes. EXACTLY as they did when it broke out originally.

The seasonal flu shot IS a vaccine.

The vaccine (as is the case will all vaccines) stimulates your immune system to isolate and destroy organisms with certain marker proteins. The whole idea of vaccinated a population is to slow the spread of the organism by providing fewer hosts. The smaller pool of hosts reduces the probability that the organism will recombine into something more dangerous. It's a numbers game. More opportunity = greater probability.

I understand all the big brother concerns, etc. But I'll ask the same question that I did before:

You can ascribe any conspiracy angle you want tyo this but the fact is H1N1 is virulent and there is a very real POTENTIAL risk of a very dangerous (1918esque) pandemic. You are the legislator of your own private Idaho. An outbreak occurs and people start getting sick and dying at an alarming rate.

What do you do? What's your response to the situation?

At the risk of being a one-liner, I ask how did the swine flu develop? Well never mind about the one-line, a bigger question: How come the news media is allowed to scare people into thinking this is going to rival the plague and make silly predictions, but anyone on this site countering that with the opposite supposedly hysterical belief is a conspiracy theorist? The fact of the matter is that no one actually knows what will happen until it happens. The official side is going off the deep end with only ESTIMATIONS, which are not facts. We here are merely blogging about it.

P.S. no one state the seasonal flu WASN'T a vaccine.

Originally posted by huntergatherer

#### them all

What bull####

You got shots for us,.....We got shots for you

######RETARDS

I don't normally agree with violence, but your right. Vaccines are no better then prescription and non prescription drugs, there blatantly bad for you. I will refuse any vaccine #### the government, Its self defense.

reply to post by warrenb


This does not surprise me in the least! I grew up there. That state is a breeding ground for the NWO and socialism! I am glad that I made it out.

reply to post by lucentenigma


Why does everyone ignore this part:

such individual may be isolated or quarantined pursuant to section 96 of chapter 111 if his or her refusal to submit to decontamination or diagnosis procedures poses a serious danger to public health or results in uncertainty whether he or she has been exposed to or is infected with a disease or condition that poses a serious danger to public health.

Meaning that if you are obviously sick and refuse diagnosis and/or decontimination, then the steps will be taken to quarantine or levy fines.
This is all just common sense. it is no different than doing the same to a knife weilding pyscho. If you don't get sick you have nothing to worry about under this law. Saying otherwise is just projecting further actions which this law does not contain. People that represent danger to society need to have some mechanism to keep them in check.

reply to post by RogerT


I was 'the guy' that posted about 'poor old big pharma'. I'm not advocating for the pharmaceutical industry. The issue that I attempted to raise that clearly went over the heads of some is that vaccine development is critical to the public health. Polio, smallpox, rheumatic fever, measles, tetanus and a host of other diseases ravaged this and other countries not that long ago. I personally saw kids I knew brought down by polio. I saw iron lungs and leg braces first hand. Vaccines all but eliminated those diseases.

Despite what others here contend, vaccine production, for the most part, is not nearly as profitable as other drugs 'Big Pharma' can produce. Tyhe up-front development costs are enormous and after the flu blows through in a few months usually they get to toss out all the rest of the vaccine and start over. That, combined with the potential liability that any pharmaceutical product carries, caused them to get out of the business. That's a dangerous thing from a public health perspective. Every now and then we need a vaccine and it's important that the infrastructure is in-place to quickly produce one. In order to induce them to make vaccines they've been given some degree of immunity to reduce the financial risk. Not a great thing but we can't have it both ways.

Maybe 'Big Pharma' should just produce vaccine out of the goodness of their heart. And maybe Halliburton should support the war effort for free cause it's patriotic.

Originally posted by merkaba93
Dang whoever owns those is paying some serious federal reserve notes on a yearly basis to the BATFE for the suppressors and SBR's.

yearly? uh...

All machine guns, suppressors, SBR and SBS not in the possession of the United States government must be registered. The firearm must be registered (entered into a database maintained by the BATFE) and a ONE-TIME $200.00 federal excise tax must be paid to BATFE only when the weapon is transferred to a different owner. This tax is not an "annual" tax, it is simply an excise, or "sales" tax. If the weapon is re-sold two months or twenty years later, there is still only the one time $200.00 excise tax at the time of each sale. There is no "license" one must possess from the federal government to possess NFA weapons.

www.nfafirearms.com...

It's a one time $200 tax.

Originally posted by huntergatherer

Let's use MASS. as the testing state for the H1N1 vaccine

if the residents all die or morph into zombielike entities well then we know

maybe not a bad idea after all

All things considered, how would you be able to tell the difference?

It's legislation like this that will really put "the people" to the test. Will these representatives ever get re elected? if they do, they/we deserve everything they/we get.

No tax on cars? what state are you from? im down in CT about 5 minutes from MA and we also pay tax on it.

Also as much as I am not going to take the jab I think people here are misunderstanding the whole 1000 $ fine. If you refuse orders, you will pay. A judge has to tell you to be quarqntined, as in, you either sit at home for a specified period or they *might* take you somewhere else for some time. Now if you refuse the judges order and leave your house, go shopping, work, you will pay a fine. If you do it twice, you pay 2000. If you sit at home, you dont pay anything.

See, you dont HAVE to be jabbed, you just wont have a life if you dont until this whole thing passes over. Could be weeks or a few months.


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Originally posted by jtma508
There's a good deal of good thought in this thread but I have to tell you there is a huge amount of ignorance and hyperbole. Nowhere does the bill say that quarantine means hauling you off to some detention facility. The way that this has been handled historically is to qurantine people in their homes. EXACTLY as they did when it broke out originally.

Not hyperbole, fact:

restricting a person from being present in certain places including but not limited to school or work; confinement to private homes; confinement to other private or public premises; or isolation or quarantine of an area.

Source

It does not state you may only be confined to your home. It clearly states that you may be confined to 'other private or public premises' along with private homes. The scary thing is that it does not say how they will decide where a person should be confined.

Scenario: You are away on business about 100 miles from home. The authority's deem you a risk to others if you travel back home. You may receive lodging compliments of the Government!

I think I have the cure for swine flu.

#1-Good pilots refuse to fly the swine flu virus in their contrail cargo.

#2-Have Ron Paul get some military commanders on his side. Have those commanders circle the US Capitol with tanks. Order everyone out. If anyone stays inside, open fire. Then stop. If they still refuse to come out, level it.

Swine Flu crisis resolved.

There's your change you voted for.

reply to post by sligtlyskeptical


I'll go one step further. Everyone is assuming that the whole H1N1 thing is a non-event and is being whooped-up by 'Big Pharma', MSM and politicos. The fact is, the virus has the POTENTIAL to be very dangerous and a public health disaster. What do you do if it does turn that way? I guarantee everyone here that a day or so before Katrina hit there were lots of people saying poo-poo to the calls for evacuation. In a situation with dire potential public health consequences there has to be some contingency planning.

reply to post by jtma508


Please, spare me the pro-vaccine PR, I've heard it hundreds of times, complete with the iron lung anecdotes that prove nothing other than diseases that were once prevalent are nolonger so prevalent. You don't see that many scarlet fever victims any more either ... no scarlet fever vaccine ever existed.

There's no evidence that proves what you claim, or at least no-one's been able to produce any here on ATS during the 2 years I've been challenging vaccines believers.

Personally, I'd love to have a monopoly on the production of a product that is mandated by government, paid for by public money and advertised and promoted by entire national and international industries, again using public money. That's a money printing press, not a business. I'm very surprised you can't see that.

reply to post by lucentenigma


And should they allow you to travel home infecting everyone as you go? What about homeless people? Or people living in public shelters? Should they just be allowed to go wherever they like or infect everyone else in the shelter?

Just asking.

reply to post by djpleiades


yep I've heard that too. cannabinoids are used naturally in the body to suppress or keep in check the immune system, as many viruses cause the immune system to either go into overdrive (influenza) or turn and attack healthy cells altogether.
I'll take the NATURAL alternative to jab, and make some brownies thank you very much.
I wonder if people will ever realize the ENDLESS benefits of this plant.. I mean.. remember the endless benefits, because civilization used to know, before the 1940's.

Originally posted by jtma508
reply to post by lucentenigma

 

And should they allow you to travel home infecting everyone as you go? What about homeless people? Or people living in public shelters? Should they just be allowed to go wherever they like or infect everyone else in the shelter?

Just asking.

I think you have watched one too many 'Outbreak'-type movies

[edit on 26/8/09 by RogerT]

reply to post by jtma508


The bill doesn't state that they will NOT haul you off to be put into a quarantine camp either does it?

You have read the FEMA concentration camp threads haven't you?

Is the federal government in the habit of building upwards of 800 concentration style detention camps all over the USA for no apparent reason then?

The seasonal flu (as far as i know), doesn't scream out MAN MADE VIRUS to any virologist (or lay person) worth their salt, does it?

The seasonal flu vaccine has not been proven effective at preventing seasonal flu...ironically. Can you point me to the data that proves it's efficacy? I've lost count of how many times i've heard of people taking the seasonal flu vaccine, and going on to contract a particularly nasty flu.

On the upside it makes people in the business a LOT of money...so it's not all bad eh?

I have never had a flu jab, and i never will, nor will my family.

My family and i have already contracted and beaten this swine flu virus earlier this year, about the same time the story was breaking worldwide, well, a couple of weeks before hand actually.

It was like...the flu! What can i say?

It wasn't that bad. The worst part of the whole thing was a lingering cough and splitting headache that went on for two to three weeks after the other symptoms had all but gone. Other symptoms were what you'd normally get with a bad cold virus or regular seasonal flu, runny nose, sore throat, heavy chest, sweating, fever, brief bout of vomiting and the runs (only lasted a day, fever was 39-40C) aching bones and muscles.

These lasted about a week, but the cough and headache lasted two to three weeks beyond that.

It was more annoying than anything else.

Even my four and ONE year old kids got it and they fared better than us adults. Being fairly responsible people, we only called our doctor to check out our kids because they were so young, and we were worried mostly about the high temps, and the lingering cough we all had. Only took, paracetamol and Ibuprofen, Honey and lemon juice and plenty of Vit C.

These are the typical symptoms being reported by the VAST majority of those infected, no more than seasonal flu or bad cold...so why all the hysteria from the Gov and MSM?

You are wrong about the virus mutating if it's in more of the population BTW.

The virus will not mutate, all the time it is able to move from host to host easily. Why would it, it doesn't need to. It WILL mutate however, should it's routes of infection become cut off or hindered to the point where it's life cycle is threatened...then it's a case of change or die...sometimes it dies, but mostly it changes or mutates until it can replicate easily again.

You have it the wrong way around.