Scientists who developed the Small Pox vaccine are refusing immunization shot against flu

Scientists who developed the Small Pox vaccine are refusing immunization inoculation against H1N1 due to Major Medical Side Effects.

The swine flu vaccine is now being offered in the United States, but many people are worried about the vaccine's potential side effects. Many say that the vaccine could be linked to the guillain barre syndrome. RT's contributor and investigative journalist Wayne Madsen attended the international swine flu conference in Washington D.C. and talks about what he learned.

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Why is this so hard, it is the scientist's job to acurately inform the patients... why don't they come forward!

Also, why is it that when scientists like this are worried about the side effects, there are still people who don't see this problem!

Thanks for the post!

I have to say I usually dont get into the Swine Flu threads because my thoughts on the subject are firm in my mind. As in the vaccine is bad and the government is covering that up.


If you need anymore convincing this is probably the best evidence! C'mon these people CURED the Small Pox and dont want the vaccine!

Edit: They dont come forward because the government has "experts" to refute the evidence and being an individual against the monster that is the gov't is Fricking scary.

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Somewhere I read that smallpox was infrequent until the smallpox vaccine started being used then the cases skyrocketed. I recall the US actually had a few cases after the vaccinations post 911.

Any way I did find the below information but the original did not mention the Phillipines

By 1919, England and Wales had become one of the least vaccinated countries, and had only 28 deaths from smallpox, out of a population of 37.8 million people. By contrast, during that same year, out of a population of 10 million -- all triply vaccinated over the prior 6 years -- the Philippine Islands registered 47,368 deaths from smallpox. The epidemic came after the culmination of a ruthless 15-year compulsory vaccination campaign by the U.S., in which the native population -- young and old -- were forcibly vaccinated (several times), literally against their will. In a speech condemning the smallpox vaccine reprinted in the Congressional Record of 12/21/37, William Howard Hay, M.D. said, "... the Philippines suffered the worst attack of smallpox, the worst epidemic three times over, that had ever occurred in the history of the islands, and it was almost three times as fatal.

naturodoc

I'd post this as a new post, but I'm new to this board, so I'll have to post it here and hope it gets bumped. Anyway, LiveandLearn, here is a link to an article you should find interesting, to say the least. As a medical professional with a few years of experience, I tend to believe just about everything put forth in this article as true. Here's the link:

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After you read it, let me know what you think.

Yooptrooper

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Thank you and yes this is similar to other documentation I have seen regarding the outbreak of small pox in England.

I am a medical professional as well for many years, most recently in infection control. This group is very well indoctrinated so I don't speak up about these issues around them.

Hmmmmm.
You came over today with a big headache and feverish.
If you have the swine flu and infect me....you better give the belt back because you got it first.

First to get swine flu loses??
(inside joke)

Vaccination - The Hidden Truth

A documentary revealing many interesting facts regarding vaccinations of all types and how "useful" they are:

Google Video Link

I had this posted in another thread, but it got locked, so here ya go.

It has already begun, too late to stop now.

* Prelude - The events leading up to the start of World War Three, including Sept 11, 2001.

* Act 1 - The Middle East. Widespread conflict to bring the entire region into the flames of war, possibly triggered by Iran or militants in Pakistan using North Korean supplied nuclear arms. The first Scene in this Act is the US Invasion of Iraq on March 20, 2003.

* Act 2 - Israel at War -- Against her Arab neighbors, possibly Palestine. A Palestinian State will be established, so that all Israelis will be fully separated from Palestinians (listen out for mention of a 7-year treaty to be confirmed by a World Leader - probably Bush), only for Israel to viciously attack Palestine shortly thereafter.

* Act 3 - Far East -- "Hair-raising nuclear confrontation that threatens mankind's existence" - Peter Lemesurier, author of The Armageddon Script, p. 223, written in 1981. Includes China invading Taiwan and a nuclear eruption on the Korean Peninsula.

* Act 4 - Erosion of Confidence in 'The System' so severe citizens will be panicked into giving up liberties and Constitutional form of government. The plan calls for the dissolution of the US Constitution, triggered by a significant enough 'terrorist' attack. The ultimate intent is to introduce a global government and one-world religion.

* Act 5 - The collapse of the US, and other Western economies and morals.

* Act 6 - Significant population reduction using natural and man-made disasters. * Curtain. Who can tell how this war will end?

Might not be in this exact order, but we've already gotten a good start.

Honestly people - you're going to take this fake news program seriously? He lost me when he said it was a proven "fact" that Thimerasol caused autism. Think what you will on the topic but the research has not shown this at all. Science is the search for the truth and sorry but you can't pick and choose your facts.

As far as this vaccine goes - nobody is forcing anything to do anything. Damn the paranoia here is disturbing. Open the doors and go outside people and step away from your PCs for awhile..

I feel sorry for you guys in the States, I feel lucky to be in Europe far from this madness, when it comes to previous post. ..Might be some news are faked and not true, but if even one of those statements are true, it will down the whole card house and that's what has happened quite a few times with this "swine flu" ..sad but true it's easy to see it's all made up.

Some one ask on Chemebreathers thread, why do they put mercury in the vaccine, well they don't have to for single dose , but that is not cost effective, so they put a bunch of doses in one vial, to protect vaccine they add the mecury so it will not become contaminaded, with all the neddle they stick into vial.
Get single does if you are dumb enough to get shot at least you won't get mecury posioning.

Looks like the revolution will begin with shot not heard around the world.

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For those of you who believe that nothing is being forced...Here's what a little bit of looking has brought to my attention...And please, for the sake of your own soul WAKE UP BEFORE IT'S TO LATE!!!

Forced vaccinations, quarantine camps, health care interrogations and mandatory “decontaminations”

Mike Adams, Natural News, August 28, 2009
The United States of America is devolving into medical fascism and Massachusetts is leading the way with the passage of a new bill, the “Pandemic Response Bill” 2028, reportedly just passed by the MA state Senate and now awaiting approval in the House. This bill suspends virtually all Constitutional rights of Massachusetts citizens and forces anyone “suspected” of being infected to submit to interrogations, “decontaminations” and vaccines.

It’s also sets fines up to $1,000 per day for anyone who refuses to submit to quarantines, vaccinations, decontamination efforts or to follow any other verbal order by virtually any state-licensed law enforcement or medical personnel. You can read the text yourself here: www.mass.gov/legis/bills/sen

Here’s some of the language contained in the bill:

(Violation of 4th Amendment: Illegal search and seizure)

During either type of declared emergency, a local public health authority… may exercise authority… to require the owner or occupier of premises to permit entry into and investigation of the premises; to close, direct, and compel the evacuation of, or to decontaminate or cause to be
decontaminated any building or facility; to destroy any material; to restrict or prohibit assemblages of persons;

(Violation of 14th Amendment; illegal arrest without a warrant)

…an officer authorized to serve criminal process may arrest without a warrant any person whom the officer has probable cause to believe has violated an order given to effectuate the purposes of this subsection and shall use reasonable diligence to enforce such order. [Gunpoint]

(Government price controls)

The attorney general, in consultation with the office of consumer affairs and business regulation, and upon the declaration by the governor that a supply emergency exists, shall take appropriate action to ensure that no person shall sell a product or service that is at a price that unreasonably exceeds the price charged before the emergency.

“Involuntary Transportation” (also known as kidnapping)

Law enforcement authorities, upon order of the commissioner or his agent or at the request of a local public health authority pursuant to such order, shall assist emergency medical technicians or other appropriate medical personnel in the involuntary transportation of such person to the tuberculosis treatment center.

$1,000 / day in fines

Any person who knowingly violates an order, as to which noncompliance poses a serious danger to public health as determined by the commissioner or the local public health authority, shall be punished by imprisonment for not more than 30 days or a fine of not more than one thousand dollars per day that the violation continues, or both.

Forced vaccinations

Furthermore, when the commissioner or a local public health authority within its jurisdiction determines that either or both of the following measures are necessary to prevent a serious danger to the public health the commissioner or local public health authority may exercise the following authority: (1) to vaccinate or provide precautionary prophylaxis to individuals as protection against communicable disease…

Forced quarantine for those who refuse (illegal imprisonment without charge)

An individual who is unable or unwilling to submit to vaccination or treatment shall not be required to submit to such procedures but may be isolated or quarantined pursuant to section 96 of chapter 111 if his or her refusal poses a serious danger to public health or results in uncertainty whether he or she has been exposed to or is infected with a disease or condition that poses a serious danger to public health, as determined by the commissioner, or a local public health authority operating within its jurisdiction.

Arrest for refusal to be “decontaminated”

If an individual is unable or unwilling to submit to decontamination or procedures necessary for diagnosis, the decontamination or diagnosis procedures may proceed only pursuant to an order of the superior court… During the time necessary to obtain such court order, such individual may be isolated or quarantined pursuant to section 96 of chapter 111 if his or her refusal to submit to decontamination or diagnosis procedures poses a serious danger to public health or results in uncertainty whether he or she has been exposed to or is infected with a disease or condition that poses a serious danger to public health.

Interrogation

When the commissioner or a local public health authority within its jurisdiction reasonably believes that a person may have been exposed to a disease or condition that poses a threat to the public health, in addition to their authority under section 96 of chapter 111, the commissioner or the local public health authority may detain the person for as long as may be reasonably necessary for the commissioner or the local public health authority, to convey information to the person regarding the disease or condition and to obtain contact information… If a person detained under subsection (1) refuses to provide the information requested, the person may be isolated or quarantined pursuant to section 96 of chapter 111 if his or her refusal poses a serious danger to public health…

Forced isolation and quarantine

An order for isolation or quarantine may include any individual who is unwilling or unable to undergo vaccination, precautionary prophylaxis, medical treatment, decontamination, medical examinations, tests, or specimen collection and whose refusal of one or more of these measures poses a serious danger to public health or results in uncertainty whether he or she has been exposed to or is infected with a disease or condition that poses a serious danger to public health.

Forced entry into any home or building…

There’s a lot more in this bill, including language that allows Mass. police to enter any home or building without a search warrant, to destroy any object or building they suspect may pose a threat to public safety, to order the closing and / or decontamination of any facility using highly toxic chemical decontamination agents, and to arrest, detain and interrogate anyone who gets in their way.

Meanwhile, all state law enforcement and medical personnel are granted complete immunity from prosecution for their part in violating your Constitutional rights. So if they violate your right to due process, or they accidentally destroy your home, or they kill your family dog because they suspect it might be infected, you have absolutely zero recourse.

Under this bill, Massachusetts becomes a medical police state. There is no debating it. It’s all written, clear as day, in this law: The citizens of Massachusetts will have no rights, period. The Constitution is ancient history. You are now the property of the State.

Kiss your freedoms goodbye

Massachusetts, it seems, has never met a vaccine it didn’t like. This is the same state that rounded up the parents of schoolchildren who hadn’t been vaccinated, then corralled them into a courtroom (with attack dogs standing guard outside) and forced vaccine injections onto all the schoolchildren under the threat of jail time for parents who resisted.

Remember, readers, that this is all taking place in the “land of the free,” a nation that former President George Bush claimed was so envied around the world that terrorists attacked America because they “hate freedom” and wanted to destroy our way of life. But terrorists need no help attacking freedom as long as Massachusetts is in the vaccine game, because this latest form of “gunpoint medicine” destroys freedom for everyday Americans in a way that terrorists could have never hoped to accomplish with all the bombs in the world.

Massachusetts, it seems, has done what terrorists could not: It has turned “free” Americans into medical slave subjects who no longer have any freedom to decide the details of their own medical care. All options have been stripped from them but one: The Big Pharma option. That’s the one that involves using untested, unproven and potentially dangerous vaccines that could paralyze you or even kill you. All to defend you against a virus that’s so weak, almost anyone with decent levels of vitamin D and basic nutrition can resist the virus without incident.

But Massachusetts, as you’ll see below, is just the beginning. It turns out that the whole nation could soon find itself under a similar forced vaccination policy…Isolation camps, forced vaccinations and more

In 2006, former President George Bush signed into law the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act (PREP). It gives power to the Secretary of the U.S. government’s Health and Human Services department (HHS) to declare any infectious disease a “national emergency” and therefore require mandatory vaccination of the entire population. Because of the existence of this PREP Act, the entire population of the USA is now but one pen stroke away from being subjected to mandatory swine flu vaccinations at gunpoint.

Those who resist such vaccines will be arrested and taken away for “isolation” in domestic prison camps. They can’t just leave vaccine refusers free to live among the population, of course, because that would send the message that anyone can refuse the vaccines without consequence. So they’ll arrest those who refuse the vaccine, labeling them “a threat to national security” (enemies of the state) and imprison them without trial, without charges and without any legal representation whatsoever.

Meanwhile, all those who take part in enforcing these crimes against the American people will be granted complete immunity. From the HHS website: “[the Secretary may] issue a declaration… that provides immunity from tort liability (except for willful misconduct) for claims of loss caused, arising out of, relating to, or resulting from administration or use of (vaccine or other pharmaceutical) countermeasures to diseases, threats and conditions determined by the Secretary to constitute a present, or credible risk of a future public health emergency…”

There are other laws already on the books that strip Americans of virtually all Constitutional rights in a “pandemic emergency” scenario. One such act is The Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Act (S. 3678), which probably merits another article altogether.

Have no illusions: At the stroke of a pen, the Constitutional rights of all Americans will be immediately suspended. Mandatory vaccinations and “decontaminations” will kick in and the mass arrest of resisters will begin. There will be no court, no trial, no jury and no due process. Your actions will be dictated to you by a law enforcement officer or a health care worker who has been granted complete immunity, so if you just happen to get kicked around a bit (or shot), there’s really nothing you can do about it.

Some might argue these are necessary actions to save a nation from a deadly pandemic. And yet they forget that the pandemic has been intentionally allowed to worsen by censoring information about vitamin D and natural remedies that could stop it. Somebody at the top, in other words, wants this pandemic to get really bad, perhaps because it allows them to invoke precisely the draconian response I’ve outlined in this article. Seizing power in a Democracy cannot be accomplished by simply declaring war on the rights of the People. Rather, a situation must be engineered where the People are so desperate that they beg to be controlled. Releasing a pandemic into the wild is the perfect way to accomplish precisely that. Timing

None of these laws will be invoked before the vaccines are ready in large numbers, of course. Part of the purpose in all this is to prop up Big Pharma profits with massive vaccination efforts, so until the vaccines are actually available, don’t expect to see any declarations of a public emergency.

It might take until October or November before the vaccines are readily available in sufficient quantity to inject just half the U.S. population. But once that milestone is reached, a declaration of a pandemic emergency is imminent. Trust me on this point: They won’t let all those hundreds of millions of vaccines sit around unused; they’ll make sure they get injected into the People as soon as possible, because that’s the only way to justify making more.

So the sequence of events we’re likely to see here are:

#1) Waiting on vaccine manufacturing to procure at least 150 million doses in the U.S. Probable timeframe = October.

#2) Hyping up a few local swine flu breakouts in schools in order to justify step #3. Probable timeframe = November / December.

#3) Declaring a full-blown national emergency and announcing mandatory vaccinations for everyone (to use up the vaccines that are now available). Probable timeframe = January / February / March.

#4) If the disease continues to spread, this is when you’ll see forced entry into homes and buildings, forced “decontamination” sprayings, widespread arrests and forced quarantine of resisters, Martial Law and a complete crackdown on freedoms (especially in the inner cities). This will likely continue through the winter until Spring arrives, bringing the sunshine that will suppress the virus around the May 2010 timeframe.

All this is written in black ink. It’s already part of the pandemic response plan. Body bags, FEMA camps and much more.

Two years ago, this was all the domain of conspiracy theory “wingnuts.” Now it’s State law. Now it’s being openly discussed in security conferences and health care meetings. What will we do when the hospital beds are full? How will we accomplish the “involuntary transportation” of those who are infected? Are there enough zip-tie handcuffs to go around? How do we disarm and arrest citizens who refuse to be vaccinated? How do we prevent National Guard troops from becoming infected themselves?

These are the questions circulating now at high levels, all across the world. And the answers are always the same: Abandon freedoms. Strip the People of any rights. Dictate from the top down and arrest anyone who gets in your way.

Welcome to the Land of the Free. I hope you are prepared for what looks to be coming, because this isn’t America anymore, folks. This is Amerika, and the Constitutional rights you thought you had are about to be written right off the books.

its to bad this thread doesnt have more replies

i think theres a very easy answer to this

americans band together and fight whoever comes to make them take the vaccine

i think once even the medical community is against something they have created, and the government doesnt listen to that stance then i simply think its time to fight the government

i know for a fact my family and i will not be taking this vaccine

Originally posted by mrsoul2009
Honestly people - you're going to take this fake news program seriously? He lost me when he said it was a proven "fact" that Thimerasol caused autism. Think what you will on the topic but the research has not shown this at all. Science is the search for the truth and sorry but you can't pick and choose your facts.

As far as this vaccine goes - nobody is forcing anything to do anything. Damn the paranoia here is disturbing. Open the doors and go outside people and step away from your PCs for awhile..

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as for what research has proven
i wouldnt bet my life on something like that
some research has proven marijuana can be worse then alcohol, yet we all know that isnt true
some research has proven its less harmful
so in a way you can pick and choose, the researchers do it all the time to get the results that are desired

and yes no one is being forced to do anything

YET

however they are creating laws and legislation that will give them the legal power to force things, that is the big concern here

To me this is Nazi, Communist mentality, they say don't call them Nazis, what the hell is it
This is America you don't tell someone your going to make them take their bogus shot.
I think this whole thing is going to blow up in their faces, people in the military have already said they would turn on their oun Commandes if given the wrong orders such as fire on Americans.
Who knows there could be a Military coup, and return America and the Consitution back to somewhat it is suppose to be.

Abraham Lincoin said if the Government is broken fix it, if you can fix it replace it.

It appears broken and I don't see no Obama fixin nothing, except his wall street cronies wallets.

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I'll bet my life on informational science over unproven bull# any day of the week, thank you.

Originally posted by mrsoul2009
Honestly people - you're going to take this fake news program seriously? He lost me when he said it was a proven "fact" that Thimerasol caused autism. Think what you will on the topic but the research has not shown this at all. Science is the search for the truth and sorry but you can't pick and choose your facts.

As far as this vaccine goes - nobody is forcing anything to do anything. Damn the paranoia here is disturbing. Open the doors and go outside people and step away from your PCs for awhile..

How about what Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has to say about your mecury, and I dont know where you come from but mercury is poision.

Link to Robert F. Kennedy Jr.www.rollingstone.com...

What if the H1N1 flu shots are a weapon .You all know about all the 2012 stories theres dozens of them so what if we were about to be harvested by aiens what better way to fight a war Use us as the infected bait so the world elite can continue the family line underground Sounds like sxi=fi but we dont know whats going on and never will till we take it upon ourselves and take charge of this situation. 400000 US and UN forces couldnt contain Rhode Island..400000 US and UN forces 51 US states . 400000000 US patriots 51 states. GOOD LUCK

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Hey, not my intention to steal you thread, they have diffrent names..

This is yours : Scientists Refuse Swine Flu Vaccine
This is mine : Makers Of Vaccination Refuse To Take H1N1
the only word in both vides is the word vaccine..

I'm sorry.

Well, as I see others also seem to think, this must have another purpose than just 'help' us to fight off this Flu..

If this vaccine contains stuff that kills alot of people and makes a whole lot more people sterile, this is clear as day that it is and DePop agenda..