Is Aljazeera watching us? Re: Nick Berg

Al Jazeera has an article about bloggers expressing doubts about the authenticity of the Berg video.

Many of the points made in threads on this site are repeated on Al Jazeera.

Even at first glance, internet bloggers were asking on Thursday why Nick Berg was wearing an orange jumpsuit � just like US prisoners wear...

...There are plenty of questions raised concerning the video too. The body is completely motionless even as the knife is brought to bear � not so much as an instinctive wriggle.

More graphically, some claim that cutting the throat's artery would cause a significant amount of blood. But little emerges and when the head was raised � not a drop of blood is seen to fall.

Aljazeera


[Edited on 13-5-2004 by AceOfBase]

imo, aljazeera, fox and others are paying attention to ATS and ATSNN.
(sorry for the one liner)

AceofBase brings up an interesting point though, lets say that in the end what happened to Nick Berg is found to be just as it was originally reported - IE: Independent American contractor is beheaded by al-Quaida.

Now because of wide conspiracy discussion on many "open" forums on the internet being reported as news in a paper or worse yet on TV network such as Al Jazeera the man on the Arab street is never going to believe the truth whatever that may end up being.

This points to a damageing aspect of free and open discussion of controversial issues in a time of war.

As the freewheeling very public discussion of the prisoner abuse may (emphasis on "may" please) have led directly to Nicks death, Whose death will freewheeling "open"public (not just ATS) discussion of a "possible" conspiracy lead to? - Could it be the sole remaining American soldier thats still being held captive?

I am not trying to argue or debate the particulars of either the Abuse scandel nor Nick Bergs case, I'm only trying to point out that sometimes it might be better for our soldiers and contractors that are in harms way if we really think hard about how our words and actions are viewed and used by the extremist's to exhort and spur on their followers.

Are we collectively endangering our own people with endeavors to "publicly" uncover conspiracy that may or may not exist.

Are public Senate and Congressional hearings providing vicarious entertainment and political fodder to attack one another with worth endangering those in a war zone?

Think hard about it...............................



[Edited on 13-5-2004 by Phoenix]

Just wanted to add that I am mainly refering to the highly vocal and public politicization of these issues is in some ways dangerous and did not want people to misconstrue this to mean no discussion should be held, there are less damaging ways to discuss without endangering our troops and citizenry.

Originally posted by Phoenix
Are we collectively endangering our own people with endeavors to "publicly" uncover conspiracy that may or may not exist.

Surely we owe it to Nick Berg's family and the families of everyone over there to at least try to discover the truth. The only way to do that is to discuss every idea openly and debunk those we find to be incorrect.

Truth is good Pisky but are neer do well attitudes enough to not endanger both the U.S and U.K. troops and personel with extremely public discourse that more than likely is being used to stir up more hatred, is there a way to find the truth without making more damage?

Originally posted by Phoenix
Truth is good Pisky but are neer do well attitudes enough to not endanger both the U.S and U.K. troops and personel with extremely public discourse that more than likely is being used to stir up more hatred, is there a way to find the truth without making more damage?

I think your concern may be warranted if all the posts reflected the same or one opinion. That is definitely not the case with ATS. The discussions regarding different opinions on this subject have been downright rabid at times. If aljazeera was referencing ATS then they were picking and choosing certain individuals posts with a clear agenda in mind.

I see what you mean Phoenix, but I would prefer to consider our seeking for truth to be beneficial for all people. It shows the world (even the fanatics) that there are still some people dedicated to finding what is really going on.

Originally posted by Pisky
I see what you mean Phoenix, but I would prefer to consider our seeking for truth to be beneficial for all people. It shows the world (even the fanatics) that there are still some people dedicated to finding what is really going on.

Here, here Pisky. The people who are really trying to seek the truth are a noble bunch, and patient, too. The truth is usually so well-hidden in topics like this, and often people like us who try to do this can get frustrated and just plain give up seeking an accurate answer for a controversial topic. Never give up though. The truth is out there, you just have to really look for it and not be afraid of things you do not want to hear. If you refuse to listen to things you do not agree with, you may never find the truth at all.

[Edited on 5/13/2004 by AlnilamOmega]

Originally posted by worldwatcher
imo, aljazeera, fox and others are paying attention to ATS and ATSNN.

I dont mean to rain on your parade but I'm pretty sure it's the other way around.

It s not so much whats in discussion here at ATS that bothers me, I mean you do have to go to a little effort to get here and you have to have a command of the english language.

Its the much more public newspapers and news services presenting conjecture and inuendo as fact that really concerns me when taking into account arab readership and viewing - Boston Globes publishing of fake rape photos when they knew they were fakes is a great example of a politically motivated story possibly endangering our troops.

As for ATS I wonder if the Nick Berg stuff should be posted in RATS until a definite conclusion if derived from all sources, there is some sensationalism that may be picked up on by more mainstream media and presented in a way that again could endanger someone.

I propose we start a research forum thread on the case

Willian is there a wayyou can put a notice on atsnn whenever it is first accesed by someone stating that if you use material from ats/bts/atsnn you must provide credit to the website or soemthing like that. I know it is in the rules and stuff but it will be more evident there and they must agree before moving foward

If you ask me I dont believe in anything any news broadcast showings, and that definetley includes the so called British Broadcasting Company (public representation my a**e) as well as all the other foreign ones.

1.Its all PROPAGANDA
2.It all makes me DEPRESSED

anyone agree?

Dont watch the news make the news


*mod edit: watch the language*

[edit on 2-7-2004 by Banshee]

So my message was moderated was it? And It was due to bad language was it?

I think you are wrong there because the truth really does hurt. I never once used a word on my posting which contained any form of obsenity.

Has this happened to anyone else who uses this site.

We all know that its run by someone within the field of passing on inteligence. But why say i use bad language Whats the matter am i too clever for this site? Iam begining to think that our so called freeworld for whom our forefarthers fought the wars for. Does not and Will not and never has existed.

Are we any better off than the iraqi's were under saddams rule?

If you ask me the answer is NO

Anybody agree or disagree?

1Ting4SureWeAreNotAlone

If you have a problem with this USE the complaint button!

Wow.. just wow...

Someone had a bit too much Corn Flakes for breakfast

Am I right?! Huh!? AM I? I AM TOO GOOD FOR THIS BAORD!!1

I appologise for my behaviour I should have complained but have only just learnt how to.

I still however believe I have been wronged. But hey what does it matter, its not as if any important decisions have been taken on the rantings that i have written.

by the way rwsdakota i think youll find that its shredded wheat as the saying goes.

Ever stop to think that maybe aljazeera is just one of many other Israeli controlled media outlets?

"By way of deception, thou shall make war" Creed of Mossad

Problem, Reaction,Solution....its worked for 10,000 years and will continue to work.

Yes yes, I know,,,,Im anti-semitic

I can only speak factually to one element of this case.

The 2nd part of the video, after the interview, Nicks body was 100% edited in a post production application. Most likely Adobe After Effects.

The contrast of his skin tone is absolutely outside plausible thresholds.

Also, the range of motion of the body is absolutely still except for the frames that are digitally manipulated. This is to the pixel. If you took a human and had them sit absolutely still there would still be a slight differential in the space a living human body would take. the only way to not get any differential in a frame pixelization would be to use an inert object.

I cannot speak to anything else but the fact that he has been manipulated digital is unmistakable.

With that in mind it begs the question who has access to that technology. Certainly the application is available worldwide but the usage and refinement of the tool would take specific training. Do terroist cells have training in after effects? What is the digital post production capabilitites of this cell that we are being told committed this act?

I don't know. If I saw anything come out of the region that would suggest the culture has adopted media manipulation at this level I could be lead to believe this may have come from the region.

The manipulation on a digital level is of intermediate quality but not professional of the highest caliber.