I have not seen a Chemtrail for weeks now - Sky is getting deeper blue once more

Originally posted by majestictwo

Originally posted by Big Oil
reply to post by dgtempe

 

I agree with that theory 100%

Why, because earlier this year I noticed the air had a sort of aerosol smell to it and my lungs were being raped by some kind of chemical agent that was causing me to cough a lot.

The government has been doing this for awhile to get our bodies severely weakened for the H1N1 vaccine.

Very disturbing indeed – the most harm you will come to is a nervous breakdown over worrying about contrals.
MJ2

Wrong!

More than 75 cents of every dollar spent on health care in this country goes toward treatment of chronic diseases such as heart disease, diabetes, cancer and asthma. Chronic diseases also are the leading cause of death and disability in the United States

www.thestate.com...

Chronic disease requires low doses of ...something... over long
periods of time. Death from this, usually means the cause has
not been removed.

Sickening people through the atmosphere is an effective way to do it. Small concentration can go a long way.

Originally posted by questioningall
you are correct in your information.

No, they aren't.

Amazing, how there are those who are still denying ignorance about this topic. But, those are people who deny everything, anyway.

Yep, denying ignorance indeed. The premise that contrails can't linger is borderline retardation. Basic primary school science tells you this, contrails are in effect clouds. Do clouds always disappear in minutes? No.

Chemtrails are so obvious, how they stay in the sky and form into clouds and stay around.

I still enjoy watching contrails, as planes fly high overhead and the small contrail disappears behind them.

See above

Besides there are many many pictures of planes with the nozzles and up close pictures of planes spraying chemtrails.

Oh do share!

But again, there are those, will will deny everything - because that is what they do, but at least most of us, have denied ignorance, compared to those others.

Oh those people must be those pesky disinfo agents eh?
Paid to deny stupidity... Oh I wish it were true!

Yes, I will always laugh at those, who are so obvious at denying the truth and facts.

What facts?
You've provided no facts in this thread, just hearsay and mindless observations.

I think you're getting way too big for your boots...

You're caught up in your own hype or something... Time to come back down to our level methinks.

[edit on 25/8/09 by Chadwickus]

Maybe i am wrong, maybe they are spraying stupid on people. Its another case of overlooking the bare facts put infront of you and then taking a seperate set of facts way out of context. Contrails you see have always been there, just not in such numers. They have not changed much except the number of them. When you come across a document saying that this or that is being sprayed its probably true, but not from commercial jetliners. It is sprayed as a mist that you probably would not see unless you were watching it. If this whole thing were true why are people not dropping like flies everywhere including the ones sparaying it, if true everybody, its a very inaffective way to do anything and is not doing much to anybody. As i said maybe im wrong because it does seem to be dumbing down the populace.
Once again enjoy your paranoia folks.

checkout the rolling clouds on Coast to coast
check this cloud

I haven't posted here or started a thread in a good while, but I have recently been thinking about it, because of this very same subject. For about the past 8 -10 weeks, we have noticed the lack of chemtrails as well. Coincidentally, we have had the hottest temperatures in our area than anyone else around us. They had described our town as a "hot spot" on the news. I know it has been hotter - no doubt about that. To say the heat has been oppressive, would be an understatement. For the last several years, since I have started noticing chemtrails, we have had hot summers, but no so hot that I would have to run my air conditioning in my car every time I went somewhere, like I do now. I have always only run it occasionally, whenever it was just too hot to bear. I was able to spend a lot more time outside last summer, but not this summer; the heat has just been too gruelling.

So, to summarize, I think the chemtrails have been used to help with the Global Warming and to create rain in our region; that is what I have determined with my observations over the past several years. Maybe like others have stated, they are tight on money, and haven't been able to maintain the project like they have in the past.

My 2 cents worth -

Originally posted by cranberrydork

Originally posted by JustG
Therefore, could you show me some evidence 'here' that clouds form w/o some form of dust particle.

That level of ignorance about basic 'stuff' is alarming.

To another poster....The increase in air traffic since 1975 is staggering. Also, memories are notoriously poor......

Are you implying that water vapour doesn't condense on fine particles of dust (substance)?

Maybe since you are so 'smart', rather just pulling off a hit and run such as this (and not actually adding anything to the conversation) you could explain to us slower folks how it works?

1. Why do some planes leave trails that last minutes while others last an hour when they've passed at the same time.

2. Explain the formation of clouds w/o particles.

And, please don't be a hack and suggest I go looking through other threads for the answers. You posted the attack here. Back it up here.

Ignorance indeed!

reply to post by true-life


What is it about the 'Morning Glory' clouds all of a sudden??? They've been seen as a beautiful, if puzzling phenomenon for YEARS!!! BEFORE jet airplanes!

I Just wish when people bother to come to a place like ATS they would bother to pay attention, because whilst there are certainly plenty of valid conspiracies out there to ponder and investigate, "chemtrails" in the manner that paranoia thinking brings out isn't one of them.

It is all in people's minds. Planted there by the websites that use lies and disinfo to spread this toro caca, while counting on the people's general ignorance (NO! That is not a bad word!) of the science behind multiple disciplines: Aviation, Meteorology, et cetera, and these sites prey on that ignorance, use it, and spread more ignorance by claiming such outrageous "connectin" as to just make many of us shake our heads in disgust.

Someone sees a picture of an airplane with equipment hanging off it that is designed to collect air samples, and then they cry SPRAYER!!! They see that some people in organizations, and yes, associated with governments, are conducting studies, examining methods that might be used to combat Global Warming, should the risk to our survival become so dire that we MUST resort to tampering, and they cry SEE!!! In fact, there are ONLY studies. People see patents (from 1977!!!, no less) of new and better-designed sprayers, and point and yell SEE!!! When, it has been known for decades that it's sometimes possible to induce rain from certain types of clouds by "seeding" them...silver iodide seems to be the preferred chemical for that purpose. BUT, cloud "seeding" is done at low altitudes, in the low troposphere (HAS to be, to stay below the freezing level, or else it won't work!!!)

Airplanes are used to spray chemicals --- pesticides, herbicides --- all at LOW altitudes, just above the ground, or a few hundred or thousand feet, no higher, because effectivity is LOST and the product is WASTED when it is sprayed willy-nilly and too high. You have to realize the three dimensions of air, when you begin to climb high, and expect to spray. People only think in two dimensions, like watering their lawn. The sheer iincredible quantity of material required doesn't just triple, in three dimensions. It increases by a factor of NINE! Don't believe me? Quick! One yard is three feet, yes? One square yard? Nine square feet. One cubic yard? TWENTY SEVEN CUBIC feet.

The jets fly every day, of course. They put out exhaust (and pollution) every time. The atmosphere changes, though. YES? Because if you disagree there, you may as well stop reading, and go pull the covers back over your head, and choose not to deny ignorance.

Because, the variations in the atmosphere are the KEY to how, why, where, when and how long contrails will form, linger, spread, or dissipate quickly.

If you're NEW to ATS, and wish to learn, then by all means peruse the many threads. You will find a wealth of information, pictures, graphs, all brought by "both" sides....but with a little intellectual honesty you should begin to see how the "chemtrail" story, with its claims of an incredible wide-spread operation around the Globe, being conducted with normal passenger jets that you go for holiday aboard, is just a load of rubbish.

While the rational, scientific side brings real, verifiable, repeatable truth.

"Chemtrails" are more of a 'belief', like a religion, then they are a 'science'.



[edit on 25 August 2009 by weedwhacker]

In my country we had clean skies for almost two weeks. Today, the binomium chemtrail/wind started on the early morning.

reply to post by JustG

1. Why do some planes leave trails that last minutes while others last an hour when they've passed at the same time.

Thanks for that, it's a question that is raised constantly, and without an understanding of the Aispace System, Air Traffic Control, and the facts of flying jet airplanes, then people draw incorrect assumptions based on what they think they see.

It is doubtful that anyone can accurately judge the altitude of a jet passing overhead at between 6 to 7 miles. Airplanes, today, at higher altitudes are only separated by 1,000 feet vertically. That's a change just in the last several years, previously it was 2,000 feet, when above 29,000 (in the USA).

Anyway, at 6 miles away, 1,000 foot difference can't be determined with the naked eye. When you see two airplanes, seemingly flying with each other, they are at different altitudes. AND the air, the Relative Humidity, will be different too. THAT is why you may see one contrail form, and remain...it basically triggers the formation of OTHER clouds, othr cirrus clouds, as that is what they're called at those altitudes. SOMETHING was going to trigger the cloud formation, eventually. The conditions were ripe -- the jet just boosts it along.

2. Explain the formation of clouds w/o particles.

Non sequitor. For water vapor to condense into a liquid form, it needs something. It will condense onto a surface, like your car window, or a blade of grass. OR a microscopic particle...dust, soot, whatever it finds.

Vapor can exist in super-cooled air, well below the freezing temperature. When it condenses in those conditions, it immediatly freezes, of course, forming the ice crystals that comprise high-altitude cloud types. AND contrails!

See, science isn't difficult. It just isn't emphasized enough, it seems, in some schools anymore. What a shame.

reply to post by Chadwickus


Ahh, you always resort to personal attacks - never surprises me!

The truth is there - yet some people are so completely Ignorant - Way Beyond Belief!! In fact - I shake my head at the absolute ignorance and denial from them, of what is so obviously true!

Oh, at least most people know who is who - and who is trying to provide truths and who only denies them all.

reply to post by questioningall

The truth is there - yet some people are so completely Ignorant...

My sentiments exactly!!

Not ALL people are completely ignorant. That's why the hand-waving paranoiacs aren't making any real headway. BECAUSE of the truth, and that is science and rational thinking.

Not a whit of the "evidence" brought forth by the "chemtrailers" has a shred of credibility. NONE. Not in the way, to the extent, alleged.

NO, it is the "chemtrailers" and thier ilk who are Ignorant --- they remain ignorant of facts.


Just as certain individuals I know have predicted many, many, many dire consequences in other situations, from Solar Eclipses causing Earthquakes to the mythical "Galactic Alignment" in 2012 and the impending 'doom'!!!

"Chemtrailers" are fear-mongers at best...but possibly damaging in ways I can't yet imagine, IF their nonsense gets left out to fester in the open, without being challenged.

I can gaurantee you that in this thread you have the means to find the truth, and i can also gaurantee that you are not that person QA, you very rarely come up with something that has any substance based in fact or the real world, without doing any real research into anything. When confronted with the 'truth' you only response is i dont believe that or here i have a robot computer that tells me so.
All the time and effort and sparkly bits mean nothing when it is baseless. Yet when you have an agenda i guess that doesnt matter so much.
You can ignore the facts about contrails, and choose to only take what you want to believe as truth, but you need the whole picture one that you are not capable of seeing. I cant believe you have the nerve to even use the word ignorant.
Just be thankful you have some nice weather and enjoy the blue sky while you can, because the atmospheric conditions will change shortly and your life will be no different than it is now.


[edit on 25-8-2009 by pazcat]

reply to post by solarstorm


Hi there, you obviuosly don't live in England! especially in the Northwest,

They are at it everyday morning and night, you wouldn't believe how bad they are doing it!

I've wriitten to all my Northwest MP's, Gordon Brown, David Cameron, Defra, CAA, and not one response!

Problem for me is, too many lazy ass people don't vote, because they'd rather sit and watch TV,

reply to post by solarstorm


Here you go, friend. You are in Phoenix? This link will take you to a website so you can see the airliners that are passing overhead in your area. Click on the upper right corner blue image to make the display larger.

The airplanes in light blue are departing or arriving at PHX. So, they won't be making any contrails. Look for the green airplanes, they are the ones flying over.

Commercial jets make contrails, they certainly aren't able to "spray" anything else but exhaust from the engines.

Originally posted by weedwhacker

Thanks for that, it's a question that is raised constantly, and without an understanding of the Aispace System, Air Traffic Control, and the facts of flying jet airplanes, then people draw incorrect assumptions based on what they think they see.

It is doubtful that anyone can accurately judge the altitude of a jet passing overhead at between 6 to 7 miles. Airplanes, today, at higher altitudes are only separated by 1,000 feet vertically. That's a change just in the last several years, previously it was 2,000 feet, when above 29,000 (in the USA).

Anyway, at 6 miles away, 1,000 foot difference can't be determined with the naked eye. When you see two airplanes, seemingly flying with each other, they are at different altitudes. AND the air, the Relative Humidity, will be different too. THAT is why you may see one contrail form, and remain...it basically triggers the formation of OTHER clouds, othr cirrus clouds, as that is what they're called at those altitudes. SOMETHING was going to trigger the cloud formation, eventually. The conditions were ripe -- the jet just boosts it along.

Non sequitor. For water vapor to condense into a liquid form, it needs something. It will condense onto a surface, like your car window, or a blade of grass. OR a microscopic particle...dust, soot, whatever it finds.

Vapor can exist in super-cooled air, well below the freezing temperature. When it condenses in those conditions, it immediatly freezes, of course, forming the ice crystals that comprise high-altitude cloud types. AND contrails!

See, science isn't difficult. It just isn't emphasized enough, it seems, in some schools anymore. What a shame.

Please note, I'll use the terms 'chem' and 'con' simply for distinction.

Thankfully we agree that the clouds 'require' a particle of some sort. That's 1.

(Let me qualify that I don't have any theories on what may be in the trails or why they are there, I'm just arguing there's a difference. A difference I've only noticed for about the past 10 years.)

It appears you are arguing that because some planes are at higher altitudes, the vapor forms ice crystals and the clouds thereby form around the ice crystals and that is why the 'chem'trails last so long. Would that be correct?

Interesting because I was going to point out that the 'chem'trail planes usually fly quite a bit lower than the 'con'trail leaving. Which seems to be opposite to what you are saying. Though not always, sometimes they are higher. (I will point out that with the trails as markers, it's quite easy to see whether the jet currently being watched is above or below the previous.)


I would imagine you would then blame it on humidity. Ok. But, would that be consistent? For example, if the 'chem'trails are present because of humidity levels, then we shouldn't see them in arid regions that get hardly any rain.

But we do. Nevada.



I'm also curious why I've only noticed the trails in the relative present. If this is common physics, why has it just been noticed in the recent past? I've seen an answer that blames this on increased traffic, but surely even w/ lesser traffic we'd have noticed something similar all along?

For my part, I find it quite hard to believe that there is such a vast difference in formation w/o a nuclei present. I also find it interesting that discovery leaves room for doubt and greenpeace refuses comment. Why wouldn't they just say, it's a contrail stupid?


And... what a shame indeed! That's 2.

Nothing since my thread on chemtrails july 20th in western new york. I always have my camera near by so I keep my eyes to the sky. My father drives from buffalo to albany via the 90 often and reports no spraying over the normal cities... buffalo, rochester, syracuse, utica, albany...

back off debunkers this thread isn't about proving chemtrails real or not let us have a decent chat for once...

[edit on 25-8-2009 by iamjesusphish]

reply to post by JustG

Interesting because I was going to point out that the 'chem'trail planes usually fly quite a bit lower than the 'con'trail leaving.

How can you tell? I mean, how are you determining relative altitudes?

You should consider that a larger airplane (B747, Airbus A340) at a higher altitude could appear about the same size as a B737 at a lower altitude. Because f the difference in distance, right?

I would imagine you would then blame it on humidity. Ok. But, would that be consistent? For example, if the 'chem'trails are present because of humidity levels, then we shouldn't see them in arid regions that get hardly any rain.

Incorrect. Cirrus clouds do not rain. You need cumulus type clouds for that. There can be LOTS of moisture (humidity) at 30,000 feet when it's bone-dry on the ground. Look up 'virga' in the Internet. It is a condition where precipitation is falling, from clouds at a level of high moisture, into lower levels of very dry air, and the precip evaporates before hitting the ground. These conditions are also indicative of windshear dangers to airplanes at low altitudes, BTW.

Interesting.
This brings to mind a thread I started last year.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by iamjesusphish

...back off debunkers...isn't about proving chemtrails real or not...

Huh? What's the title say?

By implying "chemtrail" it automatically needs clarification. Science. Facts. NOT fantasy.

Remeber questioning all that should you become the chicken little of ats you will get ALOT of people killed when the time comes you find something important. Please separate delusion from reality before you make those who are losing faith suffer horribly.

A good parent doesnt flood her children with propganda pamphlets trying to convince them that their going to die every day.... O yeah and always being wrong.