POLI: I Went To A Town Hall Meeting In Texas

reply to post by kinda kurious


Wow, that's an intelligent way to refute the evidence which is right in front of your eyes...

Political baiting, and bickering is the only thing some people can do to try to dismiss, and deny the facts in front of them...


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One of the most important issues not being considered in this Health Care Bill, is how it is a way to create more mediocrity within our heath care system than has already been created.

I was talking with my Doctor some time ago and he said that when Government steps in, they take away the incentives for Doctors to strive for excellence.

That when the Doctor who graduated top of his class, became the best and most respected in his field gets paid the same meager amount as the one who skipped through and is a poor practitioner, then that is setting up the field of Medicine for disaster, it is giving the go ahead for less than the best.

If you can use your hard working effort to become the best in your field, to make a decent wage, then what you will see is progress in the Medical Profession, but when mediocrity is the rule rather than the exception, anyone who would have potentially become the future of Neurosurgery, or any other important field, is not going to waste their time, they are going to go into finance or anything which will afford them a well earned wage.

This is the problem we all face when health care becomes mediocre. And what we are being handed right now is at best a mediocre plan.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


My chart was provided with the same intent as the fake chart in OP.The sad truth is mine was factual if not hilarious.

The OP was posing as objective while purportedly sharing her neutral depiction of a Town Hall meeting. Unfortunately, as I pointed out that WAS NOT the case. The "report" and the chart were fraught with bias.

Nothing is staring me in the face except hypocrisy.


[edit on 24-8-2009 by kinda kurious]

Originally posted by warrenb

Originally posted by Tentickles
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You need a Phd in cartography or quantum mapping to make heads or tails of this mess. What a joke.

If they really wanted free health care...
You enter the hospital or doctors office
Get examined, receive whatever treatment and medicine
Pay nothing, fill out no forms
Walk or wheel out once done

That is free health care, not the jumble of arrows and boxes at the top

And thats what happens in every other civilised country on earth - apparently introducing it America so that you are EQUAL with the rest of us is Nazism - go figure.

Click here for more information.

Originally posted by j2000
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

And HH, here is a question for you.

Go to this page, and tell me how you plan to pay for it.

www.usdebtclock.org...

Are you going to write a check for what you owe first?
I do not want to carry your debt. Please pay off what you as a citizen owe before you spend any more.

Right now, each citizen, yes man, women, and child owes the following.
$38,233 of Fed. Debt
$191,833 Unfunded Debt
$230,066 Total per citizen


Until such day, you really have nothing to back up all this crap.

I'm not sure if you realize this, but the primary cause of Bankruptcy and foreclosures (before the housing bubble pop) were medical bills.

If we can reform healthcare to make paying for medical treatments affordable for all people, then we'll drastically reduce the private debt accrued by foreclosure and bankruptcy due to medical costs. This, in turn, will give Americans more spending power to decrease credit card debt and pump money into the economy, which in turn cascades upward and on and on to the benefit of the entire nation.

Shhh...don't tell anyone this secret though! If the rich and powerful were to figure out that we're starting to realize "trickle down" is a sham and "trickle up" is actually how it works because the poor and middle class actually drive our consumer and service economy, then their power might be threatened!

And on the chart from the townhall:

Pure propaganda. There's no coordination or even attempt to unify the document. They obviously just went through Microsoft Visio and tried to use every shape in the Visio database. It wasn't even an attempt to explain, just mislead.

And, as KK pointed out, our current system is 100 times more complex than this chart.

If any of you remember Enron or know about Sarbanes-Oxeley, you know what I'm talking about.

reply to post by antar


Problem with lies like this is that every other developed nation on earth has universal health care - and their doctors are just as good if not more able than the US - an utterly moronic comment that can be corrected by merely thinking - wow - who would have thought.

i'm sure your rep will present the "deathbook" at the next meeting too because thinking about death in advance is a big no-no. it kills the consumer's desire to buy stuff that they don't need at a price they can't afford. shop till you drop suddenly gets a whole new meaning!

why is current US life expectancy lowest among the western countries? is it because the system works well for the patients? there's no arguing that the medical lobby is funding both sides of the war and hoping for a total implosion so that any reform passed will still let the profit from you getting sick and not being able to copay - thus resulting in you being dropped legally because you're in breach of contract. good luck with that leukemia for your teenager.

then again US life expectancy could be lowest because most westerners tend to eat well while most americans don't care as long as it's deep fried...

Originally posted by questioningall
S and F -

I have to say, I think they purposely made the chart to look complicated - though it probably is not really that way.

I am on the opposite. I find it amazing people are so against health care for the American public. I feel everyone should have health care as a right, not a privilage - which is the way it is right now.

Actually, it has nothing to do with "not wanting people to have healthcare", which is just as much a political spin as the "death panels".

Someday I hope people can look past that spin.

While I can't speak for the right(who I doubt even really cares about this issue), for me I would rather ask - why can't the people afford healthcare, and addressing that.

And the reason they can't afford health care is a much deeper issue and if we could tackle that issue, then I would suspect this issue wouldn't be much of an issue.

That reason is the constant transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich via fractional banking practices, and the federal reserve scam. Which has taken the majority of Americas wealth over the years. It use to be a man could work a 40 hour job at the local factory, and support his entire family - health-care and all, while having a larger family and live more comfortably. These days, both parents are working and still having a hard time.

There is a reason for it, and all this health care bill will do at best - even if it were the best bill ever is offer a way of treating a symptom and "living with the disease"

Personally, I think the entire thing is just a big scam. Republicans are making a big stink because they need to gain support after basically destroying the party. Trying to get people back into the 2 party system paradigm, but I'm not buying it. Now that they don't have enough votes to make a difference, they are all about "small government" and against these things. When they had enough votes to make a difference, they didn't do a dang thing about anything and were nothing different.

Same thing with democrats, oh they voted against things when they were in the majority, good for support. In the 2 years the controlled the house, what happened? Nothing. Now we still have those same programs and stuff, but don't see any democrats doing anything about it do ya?

It's all a big scam, they could give a crap less what the people think. They are playing everyone for fools.

reply to post by Tentickles


Those native to the Longhorn State are not fools.

It really is another country altogether.

Though I grew up there, I'll always own a piece of Texas.

They wear 'kickers' for a Reason.

Though mine collects dust, they're still in the waiting.

I haven't been to my land in over 3 years.

I will arrive next year during the spring flowering of the desert mountains.

Big Bend National Park is quite a unique 'experience'.



[edit on 25-8-2009 by Perseus Apex]

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Hi People,

Some good discussion happening here...

...however can we please be mindful to debate the post and not the poster...


Cheers,
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reply to post by alien


As if we didn't see that coming.

Good call though mod - good call.

And EU

Originally posted by questioningall
I find it amazing people are so against health care for the American public.

I find it amazing that statements like this are still being made.

I know nobody who is against healthcare.

Most everybody I know wants healthcare, just not another giant government program that will make it work less and cost more.



Nice thread OP. s&f

I knew the press was trying to make the Republicans look bad reagarding the town hall meetings. They have no valid points so they use these tactics to try and turn people away.....

I ws finally able to watch the whole video, and I have to say, "good job, once again, for bringing us only the best of the best!"...

um, where did ANYONE get the idea hr3200 is about HEALTH CARE?

can anyone show me one shred of evidence that this is what it is?

probably not.

hr3200 is about INSURANCE.

it is ONLY an insurance plan you can CHOOSE to buy from the government.

health care = what takes place in hospitals.

insurance = your monthly installments that when the time comes help you pay for what happens in the hospital.

this is government run INSURANCE.

lets just be clear about what we are talking about.

Come on.. Are you all that much of a follower to not smell the BS from here?

There may be issues with this bill, but this chart was made by:Republican Staff Congressman Kevin Brady , or at least it is the source for it,

Ohh how noble of them to create a chart to confuse people to further a political agenda. And you think that is patriotic?

No matter your stance on the bill, for it, hate it, in the middle

DONT LET these used car salesmen manipulate you. On either side.

You should not be proud , but p!ssed off, that they care only for an agenda, and are using you to promote it.

Please, Please.. wake up.. Both sides.. wake up. Together we stand divided we fall. And they know it.

Originally posted by ShiftTrio
Come on.. Are you all that much of a follower to not smell the BS from here?

There may be issues with this bill, but this chart was made by:Republican Staff Congressman Kevin Brady , or at least it is the source for it,

yup:

Republicans on the Joint Economic Committee, led by Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX), developed the following chart to expose the truth about the Democrats’ health care plan to the American people.

link

reply to post by Animal

Thanks for the link and confirmation.

So it IS a piece of propaganda and people just eat it up... sad
What have they done to this country over the last 20 years... makes me so sad.

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Edit - I am tired of reading posts with a high level of ignorance.
They act like a 1000 plus page bill is easy to understand and will be great for you.
Just insane.......
Nobody answered my question yet either.
Who wrote the bill?

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