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Regarding how bright it was outside, I found that the sunset occurred in Fairbanks (near the "mothership") between 2-3PM local time on December 21, the shortest day of the year. I never was able to find the time of sunset on the date of the JL1628 sighting, let me know if you find it.
But I don't have to tell you the pilots may see more light in the sky than the ground time for sunset might indicate.
Originally posted by Tifozi
reply to post by Sam60
Don't forget about Internos and all the other people that made contributions to this debate. I'm looking forward to read the internos opinion about all of the new data that has been posted.
Tifozi I read that the larger airports generally have center lights, but the smaller airports generally don't, is that true?
If I take all the center lights out of that picture, it starts to look a little more like the drawing, but still not an exact match.
Or do we know if PABI even has any approach lights like that?
So even though the reflection would include the bright runway lights and the surrounding darker area, the surrounding darker area would not be visible against the dark background, hence you would then see some airport lights suspended in the sky.
If the pilot does see runway lights suspended at 33,000 feet in conditions like these, it's probably not something which he frequently experiences , and in fact he may have never seen anything like it before.
Originally posted by Tifozi
reply to post by Sam60
Don't forget about Internos and all the other people that made contributions to this debate. I'm looking forward to read the internos opinion about all of the new data that has been posted.
Originally posted by Tifozi
Well, the simulator also makes realistic weather, so the sunset is accurate. The problem is that while I was flying, I could still see the sun. That raises the issue of illumination.
The press release could have mentioned, but did not, that Terauchi did report seeing numerous stars in the sky, city lights and a glow of sunset in the west.
Originally posted by Tifozi
So even though the reflection would include the bright runway lights and the surrounding darker area, the surrounding darker area would not be visible against the dark background, hence you would then see some airport lights suspended in the sky.
There is a problem with those mirages that you presented. They appear from far away and they reflect what is below them, but you still see them over a distance.
I don't know (and maybe some of you can actually find out that better than me) to which point it's possible for a mirage to project itself so far away, and in front of the line of sight of the plane.
The Tanana Valley is a lowland region in central Alaska in the United States, on the north side of the Alaska Range where the Tanana River emerges from the mountains.
The inducement of the Superior Mirage by a thermal inversion over Tanana Valley was phenomenal. Every few minutes the mirages would change shape and size like an undulating wave. The hills in every direction were changing dimensions from hourglass structures to just a lid on top of them.
Several variations of the superior mirage are quite spectacular sights and have been given their own names: the arctic mirage or hillingar effect, the Fata Morgana, the Fata Bromosa and the Novaya Zemlya mirage.
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The Arctic Mirage
Since superior mirages are caused by cold air lying beneath relatively warmer air, they are most common and strongest in the Earth's polar regions where the surface is covered by ice or snow or cold seas for most of the year. The arctic mirage is a term that has been applied to superior mirages in northern polar latitudes, particularly when the conditions alter the appearance of the earth's horizon to allow us to see objects that actually are located well beyond or below the geometric horizon.
The Novaya Zemlya Mirage
In the winter of 1596, a ship under the command of Willem Barents in search for the Northeast Passage to Asia was ice-bound off the north coast of the Russian arctic island of Novaya Zemlya (latitude 76 degrees North). Barents and his officers were astonished one day in early March to see a distorted sun appear for a short time above the horizon. They had not expected to see the breaking of the long arctic night at this latitude for another few weeks. Yet, there it appeared, approximately 5 degrees of arc higher than its actual position.
Because such mirages were rarely seen by Europeans, Barents' reports were not taken seriously by scientists of his time. Indeed, his observations were not confirmed for over three centuries when, in 1915 and half a world away, Sir Ernest Shackleton briefly observed a distorted sun suddenly visible over the horizon seven days after it had set for the Antarctic winter night.
The Novaya Zemlya mirage requires the sun's rays to travel within an inversion layer for hundreds of kilometres. The layer must have just the right temperature gradient so that the light more or less continuously bends with the curvature of the Earth over that long distance -- 400 km (250 miles) for a 5 degree elevation rise according to calculations by W.H. Lehn -- to allow a sighting of the sun's disk.
With many permanent or long-term scientific settlements in polar regions established over the last fifty years, the Novaya Zemlya mirage has been more frequently observed and even photographed.
for an optical physicist, I'd say that's a pretty good guess and I would have to say my thinking is that's probably what the captain saw. And while Dr Maccabee didn't refer to it as a cloud, we do have a picture of a cloud I don't think he had when he wrote that. The cloud was at the captain's 9:00 when it would have been aligned with and perhaps illuminated by the airport lights, so I think that's why the other crew members couldn't see it.
perhaps what the captain saw was a reflection of ground lights off the object and thus was able to see its outline silouetted against a dark background
Personally I think that the initial sighting of two objects in front of the plane, seen by the whole crew, is a "strong" UFO event. However the "silhouette of a gigantic spaceship" by the captain alone is a "weak" UFO event. Too bad the crew didn't speak English better.
Originally posted by Tifozi
reply to post by Sam60
Don't forget about Internos and all the other people that made contributions to this debate. I'm looking forward to read the internos opinion about all of the new data that has been posted.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
www.physicsforums.com...
Personally I think that the initial sighting of two objects in front of the plane, seen by the whole crew, is a "strong" UFO event. However the "silhouette of a gigantic spaceship" by the captain alone is a "weak" UFO event.
THE captain recalled the attempt at photographing the lights as follows2)
"I thought perhaps it is one of those things called UFO and taking a photo might help to identify the object later. I asked to bring forward my camera bag that was placed in the rear of the cockpit and began to take a picture. The area in which the plane was flying was unchanged but the lights were still moving strangely. I had ASA 100 film in my camera but the lens kept adjusting and never could set a focus. I changed auto-focus to manual focus and pressed the shutter but this time the shutter would not close.
Originally posted by m0r1arty
Just to being this to attention.
If pilots were experiencing mirages in a reasonably often fashion, surely there would be more mention of it by them and it would be included in their training.
Since I've yet to hear of such training it may be worthy of note that perhaps mirages are not all that common and may not account for all of these supposed sightings.
Introduction
An optical mirage is a phenomenon associated with the refraction of light in the gaseous (cloud-free) atmosphere. During mirage a visible image of some distant object is made to appear displaced from the true position of the object. The image is produced when the light energy emanating from the distant source travels along a curvilinear instead of a rectilinear path, the curvilinear path, in turn, arises from abnormal spatial variations in density that are invariably associated with abnormal temperature gradients.
The visible image of the mirage can represent shape and color of the "mirrored" object either exactly or distorted. Distortions most commonly consist of an exaggerated elongation, an exaggerated broadening, or a complete or partial inversion of the object shape. Frequently, mirages involve multiple images of a single source. Under special conditions, refractive separation of the color components of white light can enhance the observation of a mirage. Atmospheric scintillation can introduce rapid variations in position, brightness, and color variations of the image.
When both the observer and the source are stationary, a mirage can be observed for several hours. However, when either one or both are in motion, a mirage image may appear for a duration of only seconds or minutes.
Although men have observed mirages since the beginning of recorded history, extensive studies of the phenomenon did not begin till the last part of the 18th century. Since that time, however, a large volume of literature has become available from which emerges a clear picture of the nature of the mirage.
The comprehensive body of information presented here is based on a survey of the literature, and constitutes the state-of-the-art knowledge on optical mirages. The report provides a ready source of up-to-date information that can be applied to problems involving optical mirages.
In essence, the literature survey yields the following principal characteristics of the mirage:
1. Mirages are associated with anomalous temperature gradients in the atmosphere.
2. Mirage images are observed almost exclusively at small angles above or below the horizontal plane of view; mirages, therefore, require terrain and meteorological conditions that provide extended horizontal visibility.
3. A mirage can involve the simultaneous occurrence of more than one image of the "mirrored" object; the images can have grossly distorted forms and unusual coloring.
4. Extreme brightening and apparent rapid movement of the mirage image in and near the horizontal plane can result from the effects of focussing and interference of wavefronts in selected areas of the refracting layer.
Because of the wide range of aspects covered, the literature is listed in the following categories:
1. papers on optical mirage the contents of which are mostly descriptive,
2. papers that propose theoretical models of spheric refraction or optical mirage,
3. papers that compare theory and observation,
4. papers that are concerned with the application of terrestrial light refraction to meteorology, surveying, and hydrography,
5. papers that present average values of terrestrial refraction based on climatology, and
6. papers on atmospheric scintillation.
Evaluation of the State-of-the-Art Knowledge
During the last decade, active interest in optical mirage appears to have waned. The reasons for the apparent decline are believed to be two-fold. Firstly, on the basis of simple ray-tracing techniques, the mirage theories satisfactorily explain the various large-scale aspects of observations. Thus no disturbing contradictions between theory and observation have been found. Secondly, although atmospheric refraction remains of great interest to astronomy, optical communication, and optical ranging, the phenomenon of the mirage has so far failed to demonstrate a major use.
Examination of the logs of the Washington ARTC Center indicates that there is considerable correlation between the appearance of unidentified targets on the radar scope and the receipt of numerous visual reports of flying saucers. It should be noted that abrupt temperature inversions aloft can refract light in much the same way as radar waves and produce mirage effects. In a standard reference work on meteorology. [3] Humphreys reports that a temperature inversion (near the surface) of 1 deg. C per meter bends down a light ray into an arc whose radius is 0.16 that of the earth; an inversion of 10 deg. C per meter gives an arc radius of 0.016 that of the earth, or approximately 60 miles. This effect makes it possible for an observer to see in the sky the sun or some other bright light that is actually well below the observer's horizon. On rare occasions, multiple images of the same object may be visible. It is believed that many visual sightings of flying saucers can be explained by this phenomenon.
CONCLUSIONS
1. It is believed that most of the unidentified targets observed on the Washington MEW radar during the period beginning on the night of August 13, 1952 and the period beginning on the night of August 15, 1952 were ground returns caused by reflection phenomena closely connected with the temperature inversions in the lower atmosphere.
2. Unidentified radar targets of the type described in this report have been noticed since the early days of radar. Unusual weather conditions prevailing in the Washington area during the summer of 1952 were exceptionally conducive to the formation of these phenomena.
3. Present evidence indicates that the appearance of unidentified targets of this nature on radar scopes has but little effect on the control of air traffic. At its worst, it forms a nuisance by cluttering the scope display and by requiring that additional traffic information or heading instructions be issued in order to protect other traffic against the possibility that such a target might be a helicopter.
4. In some cases, it would be desirable to provide the controller with a more positive method of identifying targets such as these so that he could determine quickly whether they are spurious or whether they are actual aircraft.