****Mind Blowing 1958 speech (video)****

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Also from wikipedia:

"John Morrison Birch (May 8, 1918 – August 25, 1945) was an American Military Intelligence Officer and a Baptist Missionary in World War II who was shot by armed supporters of the Communist Party of China. Some politically conservative groups within the United States consider him to be a martyr and the first victim of the Cold War. The John Birch Society, formed thirteen years after his death, is named in honor of him. His parents joined the society as life members."

So, he was the first victim of the Korean War (sic Cold War).

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This brings back some memories. My Late Grandmother was a John Bircher and a "Granddaughter of the American Revolution" member along with my Late Great Grandmother.

I remember as a little kid of my Grandmother so passionately echoing these same sentiments and at the time had no idea what they were so passionate about.

I lost my grandmother to early on to learn from her what I should of been learning about that whole time through school, but by the time I was old enough to have a basic understanding having been in middle school by 1986, the education system was already on the fritz and I lost my grandmother only a few years later.

I think the organization went down hill having been infiltrated and subdued after their founder passed away.

I believe these speeches were in 74, the year I was born, so I don't think this is over 50 years old, but still pertinent none the same.

Thanks for posting this. I wholly agree with its message.

Peace

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
reply to post by downtown436

 

Did I hear him right?

In point nine he supports warfare?

So seeking peace above all else is now an evil?

Wow what a twisted world you permabears live in...


On a more serious note... doesn't he look an awful like Ron Paul? Sounds like him too.


WAIT HOLD THE PRESSES...

When did you say this video was released? 1958? really? How does he refer to President Nixon at 5:27 in the video? Nixon wasn't elected until 1969.

Uhm..... ok, so who is the monkeys uncle here?

[edit on 24-8-2009 by HunkaHunka]

Should we make peace with cancer?

You know, throw it the v symbol and walk away far enough to die? If you consider the world is your body, then sometimes you have to cut out what is hurting you and unfortunately that is done with a knife and the spillage of blood.

If you don't perform this painful surgery the cancer claims the peace and freedom you gave to its survival and you end up paying the ultimate cost, but more then you, your children and grand children.

"Freedom isn't free, it costs folks like you and me"....Team America from the hit song "Freedom costs a buck O'Five" (Gary contemplates blueberrys and veterans)

"Give a little bit, give a lit bit of my life for you......" Supertramp from Breakfast in America

"If your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it away from you...."....Jesus (The prince of peace)

Just a some quotes from a few Geniuses with a bonus from the Original Prince (before he was TAFKAP when doves cried)

Ultimately,

Peace

Ultimately the goal is,

Originally posted by downtown436

Originally posted by djusdjus
fear mongering isolationist BS.

Held no water then, holds no water today.

Some of your right wing folks are total loons.

Ahh, the drive by shilling.

So, you probably think I am mad that my candidate lost. So, I'm just a sore loser posting inflammatory right wing propaganda.

Nope. Believe it or not I was very against the neocons, and couldn't stand McCain. You can check some of the stuff I have posted in the past, but that would be a lot of work for you. You seem allergic to research, so I wouldn't really expect you to attempt to understand this.

That is pretty sad. This video was not intended to be some right-wing propaganda video but about America and its people. I will be glad when people like djusdjus stop thinking in terms of left vs right and more in terms of what we can all do to better America against a shady government.

strangemaps.wordpress.com...

This link also shows that all of this is not recent.

A good read and found by accident.

# peace,

the world is Free For All, meaning the strongest individual survives.

Apparently, I don't want to have children, I don't want them to suffer this crap place. Until there is some meaning to our lives, I don't see why anyone should suffer reality.

Originally posted by die_another_day
# peace,

the world is Free For All, meaning the strongest individual survives.

Apparently, I don't want to have children, I don't want them to suffer this crap place. Until there is some meaning to our lives, I don't see why anyone should suffer reality.

I used to think like you. It feels so noble right?

Think if only your parents would of felt the same way, you wouldn't of had to suffer, but then again, you wouldn't have life. The purpose of life is to suffer life so that one day it won't have to suffer any longer.

We travel a road of travail.

If you now end the life put forth in you, by not putting it forth, then you and the life that put you forth, see its end. You are more then you, you are the countless generations that it took to make you, your soul.

By your decision, you make yourself the judge of your soul, the house of your family and identity upon the earth..."the name".

Do you really want to become the erasure of your name, never to see another day upon the face of the earth? Do you really want to be the fall of heaven?

So goes the clesha, "A chain is only as strong, as its weakest link".

I used to think like you....

The Money Masters is one of the better history lessons for those who haven't checked it out, it's definitely worth a look.

A revolution needs to take place in order to take back the country, sitting on here talking about it won't solve a thing. We need to move.

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S and F

I remember that very well. Larry McDonald was a member of the JBS and a GA congressman. I was going to high school in GA when this happened and more than one left wing government teacher had outrageous notion to suggest that McDonald planted a bomb on that plane to make himself a martyr. Of course, the facts state otherwise. It did fly in Soviet airspace, it was not authorized, and it got shot down. The cold war was a very weird time for anyone here who can remember it.

What many people are taught about the JBS is totally opposite from what it really has laid out as its agenda. It is paleoconservative in nature. Regardless, as long as you do not walk in goose-step fashion with the powers in the democratic party on EVERY issue, you are automatically labeled a right wing nut job. I have never seen a more obedient herd of sheep than those of the democratic party.

Hey everyone... it is not about LEFT vs RIGHT... it is about THE STATE vs YOU.

[edit on 24-8-2009 by JohnD]

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It is incredibly hard to understand that the system we live in today simply did not exist not very long ago. This point is important as it is the hardest thing to get your head around, was for me, and I just completed a Masters in this very area specializing in the sovereignty of nation states.

Hey, Congrats! Thats quite an accomplishment! Seems like it has done you well!...Unfortunately my position has been quite the opposite (with regards to education). Barely a high school grad and no general education after that. I mention this because of your statement saying it is difficult for people to wrap their heads around the main point you are making. But without the formal education many have, I have found it easier to accept information I would have never encountered within the regular course of American schooling. Therefore when I come across information about different perspectives of world history I seem to be able to give more consideration where usually other people may be inclined to take a rather stubborn stance... Ok, anyway, thats unimportant.

The oldest surviving democracy on earth is the US, it is also one of the oldest nations on earth.

Funny you mention this...I was just thinking that to myself the other day while watching the history channel...It is in fact very true!

Now, as for this:

The people of these various forms of autonomous regions were almost always had no rights what so ever, and they certainly had no loyalty or patriotism to their rulers what so ever -

I think there should be a distinction made between no rights and no "formal" rights like written in the constitution and the magna carta. If you look at ancient history (be it asia, europe, northern africa) rights are in place for the common man. Except they are not given to the people by the law of the land per say, but by the laws of "God." Or religious texts that help define the role of the individual. Certainly its admittable that because many times the leaderships of different city states and different empires didn't recognize these essential rights properly; rioting and revolt became a frequent occurence (though admittedly often led by a member of the same ruling family). The point being here that evolution and transfer of human rights from a religious concern to that of political doctrine from the midieval ages to age of enlightenment was quite slow and can be paralleled to the slow progress of societal structure and possibly the absence of actual countries and "nations".

As modern political concepts emerged would you think it would be safe to say a more civilized and modern society became developed? I find a strong connection between organized political ideas with advances in society...though, maybe I am wrong...

As for patriotism and/or loyalty. Its hard to accept that there was a lack of these notions when you find such examples throughout history of extreme devotions to ones land. For examples of this I think looking at ancient Egypt and ancient Mycedonia would be a great starting point. While the different dynasties of Egypt and different city states of Greece certainly were not unified, I think it can be argued that their loyalty to their demi-Gods and more importantly their "Holy Lands" that provided for them all their needs was deeply rooted into their philospphys. Loyalty may have been the largest part some might say. Another extreme example of ones loyalty to their leadership and motherland would be that of many of the oriental countries like China and Japan. this remained consistant all throughou tthei rhistory.

To be clear though, I find todays notion of nationalism to be very new and quite a norrow minded view. I like to seperate the definitions of patriotism and nationalism.

This may not be the formal definition of patriotism, but I look at it in this way... the name of the country, its borders and the government of the country play no role in the pride one may posses for its country. It is only the ideals and vision of which the country was founded that encompasses patriotism. Many government decisions are unpatriotic. Many ideologies within the different political spectrums are very unpatriotic as well.

As soon as someone incorporates name, governmental affiliation (parties, unions, ideologies..etc.) and boundaries (usually with a militaristic innuendo) into patriotism is where a moral divide takes place. That divide in my opinion is where nationalism begins and patriotism ends.

Now, if you listen to that video, I found it to be yes (in part nationalistic) but very centered on the core principles by which America was founded. Free enterprise (as you mentioned), opportunity and free will.

The more the United States veeres away from these concepts the more I believe the world is worse off. Seemingly more and more Amrican policies enable soldiers to be deployed to handle situations that have little or nothing to do with American interests. the advancement of American interests kept within constitutional boundaries would be the advancement for world affairs. i believe that is what the video implies.

Peace for the world would serve America far better than creating enemies in foreign lands, and in my opinion the only thing America can do to achieve world peace is to be a catalyst. On other words, lead by example.

in reality the real rise of national armies occurred with the Napoleonic wars

Thats exactly what I was referring to...I consider these the first world wars. During this time Britains imperialistic tendencies were full steam and attempting to spread its wings over Africa and the east...not to mention their dominance in europe for the 200 years prior...

The fereralisation of the Union - the civil war - explicitly shut down many of the interests and rights of the south. In fact the very initiation of the Union was about giving up freedoms and powers of the states - exactly what is occurring now in to the empowered global trading sphere.

this has been my understaning as well...I see this as a major turning point in American perspective. I believ the ultimate effect of the civil war was to essentially melt away the state lines...

I have alot more questions and comments, but this will have to do for now...thanks for the sources...I cant wait to get into some of them..hopefuly they are written easily enough for third graders to read...
...my brain has just been turned into mush over the years...and my comprehension is probaly not much sharper than a 3rd graders...its cool though..ill just take a year and a half to get through them...

edit for typos

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I remember posting this video and thread on ATS about a year ago and it didn't even get one sniff of mention or concern...


Original thread


Maybe back then it wasn't as easy to see the "steam roller" coming in and squashing us at every turn.

Either way, I'm glad this video got a retarded amount of stars because it's something we should all take a hard look at -

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Mine wasn't getting any hits either, until I changed the title to include about 8 of this symbol "*".

yes, my mind is now blown.

Excuse me, but:

1) how is Obama and the Democrats socialists? if they were socialists, they would confiscate everything and prohibit ownership. They would make everything belonging to the state, and there would be only one party to rule.

Obama gave money to the big corporations so as that they do not lay off thousands upon thousands of American workers. This is not a socialist's act.

2) why not universal health care? the poor guy down the road will attack you if he has nothing to lose.

3) why is the UN a threat to the US' sovereignty? it is not. The UN can not do anything if the US does not want to.

Perhaps your problem with the UN is that most countries did not agree with the Iraq war plans. Have you ever wondered that they might be right?

It seems there is an awful lot of people in USA that they buy into the right-wing rhetoric. Unfortunately, this rhetoric is seriously warped.

The real problem is the deterioration of the standard of living in USA. People are getting poorer as we speak, and they chose to blame the others for their problem, i.e. the UN, socialism, etc.

Originally posted by masterp
Excuse me, but:

1) how is Obama and the Democrats socialists? if they were socialists, they would confiscate everything and prohibit ownership. They would make everything belonging to the state, and there would be only one party to rule.

Obama gave money to the big corporations so as that they do not lay off thousands upon thousands of American workers. This is not a socialist's act.

2) why not universal health care? the poor guy down the road will attack you if he has nothing to lose.

3) why is the UN a threat to the US' sovereignty? it is not. The UN can not do anything if the US does not want to.

Perhaps your problem with the UN is that most countries did not agree with the Iraq war plans. Have you ever wondered that they might be right?

It seems there is an awful lot of people in USA that they buy into the right-wing rhetoric. Unfortunately, this rhetoric is seriously warped.

The real problem is the deterioration of the standard of living in USA. People are getting poorer as we speak, and they chose to blame the others for their problem, i.e. the UN, socialism, etc.

1)When a company fails, and it's rivals then take over it's market share you have capitalism, when you take money from the people of a country and give it to a company that failed, to prop it up, you have socialism. Rewarding failure, by taking from those who did not fail, is completely wrong. It takes away the reason for running a successful business.

2) Again, Universal health care=Socialism because you are taking money from people that were successful, and giving it to those who were not. Your health is not my problem. Just like my health is not your problem. I have health insurance, it is very expensive. But I get good health care. If someone who has nothing to lose tries to rob me, I will shoot him directly in the face.

3) The U.N. is a threat to our sovereignty because they have the power to use military force that doesn't have to follow the laws of the nation they are operating in, including America. We pay a lot of money to the U.N. and wage wars on their behalf. See the Korean War. Any Global body that has global military power is a threat to the sovereignty of all the Nations in the world.

I don't agree with the Iraq war. I don't agree with any foreign military intervention, especially not one that is there to secure oil for the next century. 9/11 was an inside job. We went to Afghanistan, and Iraq under the pre-text that we were going to kill Bin Laden, and neutralize the threat of WMD's. We have not accomplished either of these goals. But we have accomplished the goals that we were really there for. 1) Keeping the Military Industrial Complex funded, and making expensive fireworks. 2) Taking control of Iraqi oil, so that it can be keep in the ground, and keep the price of oil where oil companies want it at any moment.

I Despised the Bush Admin. I am not a Republican, and I am certainly not a Neocon warmonger. We should have a defensive only military, that defends against invasion.

Yeah, I am getting poorer too, because I'm getting taxed into oblivion, and everyone else is too. Now the economy sucks. Now I had to lay off 70% of my employees at my carwash business last Feb. I have since hired most of them back. If we have another year like last year we are done. We can't afford to pay for any of our employees Health insurance, so if Obamacare passes, we will lay off everyone. I will work 7 days a week, and we will be lucky to survive.

When is the last time you got a job from a poor man? Let me answer that for you, never.

When there are no more rich, there are no jobs. Then you may as well live in China. Because that is where we are headed unless we can put an end to socialism NOW!!!

Socialism is the worst form of Gov't you can possibly have...... You can find out about it by understanding Nazi Germany, and WWII.

I am an free thinking, freedom loving, American Patriot.

Originally posted by masterp
Americans are so wrong in a lot of things:

1) the Obama administration are not Nazis.

True most of them are not German, they are however mostly left wing Fascists in the pockets of corporate power brokers. Ecoscience is their
Eugenics bible.

2) universal health care is good - America is quickly deteriorating to a 3rd world country. If you don't give universal health care to your citizens, expect great poverty and ultimately a revolution.

We made it 220+ yrs without public healthcare, we need our jobs back not hand outs. Like Lincoln said, a hand up, not a hand out.
We needs Co-op healthcare that is not for profit and ban the HMO
profit scamming jerks, USAA insurance is a good initial model.

4) the UN is not out to get you. The UN is necessary for peace on Earth. The UN may have done some bad things the last few years, but they are greatly exaggerated by American media.

Like the League of Nations, it is an idea which has outlived its usefulness, and it is a haven for the corrupt. The oil for food scandal comes to mind and I could dig deeper, but I do not really need to for those who actually read the news.


5) poorness is not only due to one's stupidity. There are social factors in play as well.

This is very true, there are actually several factors in being poor, like myself I choose to be poor so that I do not have to pay the corrupt government parasites, so for me it is a choice.

Some ppl are poor not because they are stupid, but because they made the choice to be ignorant. Stupid means they cannot learn, Ignorant means they can learn but choose not to learn.

Lack of education is more likely than lack of ability.

I do not blame the teachers for this, because if ppl wanted to learn we have public libraries and we have public education.

Most ppl do not read anymore, its all about entertainment now.

6) a patriot defends his own land, not his own interests in foreign lands.

On this we agree 100%, 700+ bases in 130+ countries is Idiocy.

This is about projecting power, not national defense.

Not only does it need to end, we need to work to undo the decades of damage from it if it is even possible.

If the US does what the video suggests, i.e. stop caring about the other nations, then the world's problems will escalate tenfold. The terrorist acts inside US soil will be tripled, and many wars will be started around the world. Rogue nations will get nuclear arms. And all these problems will lead to a third world war, from which America can not escape.

Our mandate and our laws only cover our land, not someone elses unless they infringe on ours.

If two nations decide to go at it, and it does not directly threaten the lives of US citizens on US soil, then it is none of our damn business.

If a nation that is an ally asks for our help, then it goes to a vote in the congress and the senate.

I also say that if said ally has never given any help to the US at anytime other than putting ink to some wood pulp then we need to consider not killing our children to support some civil war that is not our own.

No more police actions, no more undeclared wars, period.

No more wars for corporate interest and profits.

If it is war, it is war, and no loophole creative accounting crap.

We have our nose totally in the Israel issue and war is still looming there.

We ignore Myanmar and Sudan due to corporate interest.

We have taken hypocrisy to the highest level.

The UN does not help either of those nations either, and they let the crimes against humanity continue.

If the UN cannot deliver on its mission, much like the League of Nations failed, then it simply is something that the US as the majority payee to the UN, needs to drop.

I am tired of paying for something that doesn't work, and so are a LOT of other ppl and not just in the US.

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1)When a company fails, and it's rivals then take over it's market share you have capitalism, when you take money from the people of a country and give it to a company that failed, to prop it up, you have socialism.

I am sorry, but you are wrong. Giving money to a company that maintains thousands of jobs is not socialism. It would be socialism if the government took over said companies. Obama did not such thing.

Again, Universal health care=Socialism because you are taking money from people that were successful, and giving it to those who were not. Your health is not my problem. Just like my health is not your problem.

We are supposed to be an organized society, which means people help other people. Why do you deny giving a little bit of your profit for the benefit of less fortunate people?

Furthermore, isn't it what Christ taught? the one that has two pieces of cloth shall give one to one that does not have a piece of cloth.

If someone who has nothing to lose tries to rob me, I will shoot him directly in the face.

What you describe is a jungle, not an organized society of civilized people. With that logic in mind, a rich person can shoot you because you might be competition to him.

The U.N. is a threat to our sovereignty because they have the power to use military force that doesn't have to follow the laws of the nation they are operating in, including America. We pay a lot of money to the U.N. and wage wars on their behalf. See the Korean War. Any Global body that has global military power is a threat to the sovereignty of all the Nations in the world.

Are you really buying into the theory that the UN will someday invade USA? do I have to really explain to you the absurdity of that theory?

Yeah, I am getting poorer too, because I'm getting taxed into oblivion, and everyone else is too. Now the economy sucks. Now I had to lay off 70% of my employees at my carwash business last Feb.

That's not because of taxing, it's because of money being sucked away by banks. Banks played a pyramid scheme: they lent money they did not have.

I have since hired most of them back. If we have another year like last year we are done.

And that's thanks to Obama. If he did not give all that money to companies, hundreds of thousands more people would be out of a job, and then you would close your shop for sure.

We can't afford to pay for any of our employees Health insurance, so if Obamacare passes, we will lay off everyone.

Why you can't afford to pay health insurance to your employees? please tell me the numbers. How much is your cost, your expenses and your profit? what is your profit percentage? why don't you raise your prices a little bit to cover for the cost?

When there are no more rich, there are no jobs. Then you may as well live in China. Because that is where we are headed unless we can put an end to socialism NOW!!!

Don't you think Obama knows that? are you really saying that he is a hardcore socialist, like those people in China? that's an absurd notion. He would not be allowed in office if he really was a hardcore socialist.

Socialism is the worst form of Gov't you can possibly have...... You can find out about it by understanding Nazi Germany, and WWII.

What about social democracy? countries like Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Switzerland, etc are extremely successful.

True most of them are not German, they are however mostly left wing Fascists in the pockets of corporate power brokers. Ecoscience is their
Eugenics bible.

Do you have any proof about that, i.e. being fascists?

We made it 220+ yrs without public healthcare, we need our jobs back not hand outs. Like Lincoln said, a hand up, not a hand out.
We needs Co-op healthcare that is not for profit and ban the HMO
profit scamming jerks, USAA insurance is a good initial model.

But our times is nothing like the previous 200 years. Times change, and policies must change accordingly. Today we have globalization. American money go abroad, immigrants go in. A system like the one followed the previous 220+ years can not be sustained.

Like the League of Nations, it is an idea which has outlived its usefulness, and it is a haven for the corrupt. The oil for food scandal comes to mind and I could dig deeper, but I do not really need to for those who actually read the news.

True, there are big scandals in the UN. But then, show me a place that has no scandals? how many scandals did you have in the US the last 50 years? too many.

Corruption is everywhere, that does not mean that a global body is not required.

Lack of education is more likely than lack of ability.

Or the lack of social mobility. I.e if you are born poor, chances are you'll die poor.

Most ppl do not read anymore, its all about entertainment now.

True, but why do you blame the people for this? the media are controlled by the rich. It's in the rich people's interests to make the non-rich sheep.

Originally posted by Solar.Absolution
reply to post by masterp

 

No personal attacks here but... I think your way off the mark, everything he says is the direction that the us govt. should have taken decades ago I bet the world would be a completely different place... But that's just my opinion against yours.

i would like him a little more if he had said something about the massive aquisition of wealth into fewer and fewer hands. and the elimination of corporations, so profit losses in businesses are absorbed by the wealthy owners, and not by small investors or even taxpayers. or maybe mentioning that all political contributions BY ANYBODY OR ANY ORGANIZATION be no more than 100 dollars per person, and anybody violating this law would get an automatic prison sentence with a conviction.

the role of government is to protect the commons from the wealthy, for the wealthy have an already built-in influence, unmatched by commoners, and this is why a representative government is far better than a king, or a dictatorship. and this fact is born out of thousands of years of history...don't take my word for it, go do a little reading.

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Sorry but I guess we will have to agree to disagree. If you want to be a communist, move to China. If you want to be a socialist, move to Europe. America is not for you.

Originally posted by downtown436
reply to post by masterp

 

Sorry but I guess we will have to agree to disagree. If you want to be a communist, move to China. If you want to be a socialist, move to Europe. America is not for you.

I am a citizen of EU actually, and the American view of Obama never ceases to amaze me. That's why I'm asking these questions.

Still, no answer yet, only lots of emotions towards Obama and the democrats. I guess each one of you has your special reasons, but my questions are not really answered yet.