Este los Estados Unidos, hablamos ingles aqui!

It seems to me the invading Mexicans see the world as it really is- a competition between different people to survive. Here in America white folk knew this once but have had that knowledge of reality pounded out of them by 50 years of leftist, society-destroying propaganda. We have been told for ages that it's "racist" and wrong to be proud of our society, our heritage, our very skin color and our language. You could say the leftist intellectuals and politicians have given white America philosophical AIDS and the invading illegals are the opportunistic diseases.

Recently I read an article in Scientific American about the extinction of the Neanderthals and what role early homo sapiens may have played in that. I'll bet when they saw the first modern humans coming to their land they were passive and accomodating and "helpful". See what happened to them!

I'm not saying people of other races have no place, and only whites and their culture should exist, but we need to see the situation for what it is- a competition for survival. That's what you call a "level playing field".

In New England we have hispanics, asians, africans, Laos, and many others. The only ones catered to are the hispanics. It is insulting to our other cultures. In some places, even though there were no more hispanics than anyone else, there were still signs in spanish.

I can tell you from experience is that a lot of them can speak English but they choose not too.

They come collect their WIC checks and speak perfect English until they see a latin worker and then suddenly they forget.

reply to post by schrodingers dog


English is your fourth language? Good heavens. Where are you from?

And your better off then a lot of native speakers!

reply to post by wayno


How is it arrogance to ask that someone who lives and works here have a functional command of the dominant language? It's good manners, and a useful survival tool.

Arrogance? I think not...

Originally posted by WhamBamTYM
It seems to me the invading Mexicans see the world as it really is- a competition between different people to survive. Here in America white folk knew this once but have had that knowledge of reality pounded out of them by 50 years of leftist, society-destroying propaganda. We have been told for ages that it's "racist" and wrong to be proud of our society, our heritage, our very skin color and our language. You could say the leftist intellectuals and politicians have given white America philosophical AIDS and the invading illegals are the opportunistic diseases.

Recently I read an article in Scientific American about the extinction of the Neanderthals and what role early homo sapiens may have played in that. I'll bet when they saw the first modern humans coming to their land they were passive and accomodating and "helpful". See what happened to them!

I'm not saying people of other races have no place, and only whites and their culture should exist, but we need to see the situation for what it is- a competition for survival. That's what you call a "level playing field".

So white people were better off hanging Americans from trees because their skin happened to be a different color? Because 50 years ago blacks were discriminated, women were discriminated, and tons of other people were too. Sounds to me like you'd like to see the "good old days" again. By the way if white US citizens want to be proud of their heritage, which is most likely European, why can't others that have Mexican, Cuban, etc, heritage do the same?

So you think the "Big Bad Mexicans" are coming here to exterminate you? You really are reaching with that one.

Originally posted by wayno
This thread is revealing a picture of people acting like two rams butting each other on the head.

Those of you advocating that everyone must speak English and the woman who refused to speak English are both acting in the same bull-headed manner - albeit from opposing perspectives -- like the rams butting their hard heads together.

The civilized approach is while you speak whatever language you want at home, the courteous thing to do is make an attempt to speak and understand other languages that people around you use.

In my immediate neighbourhood one of the primary languages on the street is Arabic. They do however speak to me in English as its obvious I am not Middle Eastern. We all get along just fine.

Its called courtesy, an art that some segments in the states seem to have lost, or never learned.

edit to add: For my part I try to learn their actual Arabic name and not the English ones they sometimes adopt, take an interest in their words for the products I buy; etc. I am not trying to become fluent because the need isn't there, but I take an interest and respect the culture.
Wherever I have traveled in the world I find that goes a long way.

[edit on 8/24/2009 by wayno]

You are assuming that most people are as courteous as you. In that respect, you are clearly mistaken. In Florida, I never see people of mexican decent stop speaking spanish when it's obvious they are the only ones around them who speak it. They purposly speak spanish so others can't understand what they say.

Another real world example. When shopping in the local grocery stores, a lot of stores hire bi-lingual cashiers for their mexican customers.. No problems there. But the problem begins when I'm checking out, and my checkout girl decides to carry on a conversion with someone else nearby who speaks spanish, while I'm standing right in front of her. How rude. That's common place.

So, don't assume that others are as courteous as you. You are the exception, not the rule.

around here, stores cater to people who speak Spanish. I'm tired of it. But it's to bad for me, because that's the future, and if I don't like it, I can go somewhere else. That's the reality of the situation.

reply to post by mrpotatohead


There were two Hispanic girls in my high school, and they definitely spoke Spanish so other people couldn't understand them. They spoke perfect English in classes and everything.

It even happens in the supermarket, people will gossip about the people around them in different languages. Lucky for me that I understand enough to know when they're talking about me.

reply to post by ravenshadow13
I love it when someone says something in another language about me... I will usually respond by speaking in Spanish to them and they get all



LOL

wow, after 4 months in the US (I initially went there to learn the language) I was speaking English, I even got an scholarship 'cause I scored 100/120 in the TOEFL test.

I'm aware that my English isn't that good but I'm not ashamed to speak it, I do it even in my country.

In north florida there arent as many spanish speakers as in the south, I barely met 10 back in Tallahassee in 4 years.

There are many reasons they dont learn the language, if they came like I did, In a legal way, they just might don't care about it and just want to party and hang out with other hispanic people.

if they came as illegal immigrants, they probably do not have the funds to go to an English school or if they do, they won't be accepted anyway because not having a visa.

Now this lady mentioned by the OP, she has been there for 15 years, wow.. I mean I dont even have problem understanding what a redneck is saying and that took me only 1 year, she has no excuse.

There is my uncle, he is 73 he has been in the states for 14 years and he works for the government. He speaks little English with a really strong accent. But at least he tries, he never curses anybody, he has even called me overseas to ask me how do you say certain things in english so he can keep ordering at a restaurant or ask for something in a hotel. Now that's effort hehe.

In the name of latin people Sorry about that kind of behavior

Originally posted by Miraj
Sort of silly she didn't speak english. After 15 years you would imagine that it would be to her own benefit that she would learn to communicate.

If she doesn't want to speak the common language, thats her fault. She should not get upset about it.

I go to a lot of different type of restaraunts here (Thai, inidian, japanese, ect)

And there are many people who have come to America to own these places or work with their families in them. They may not know the best english sometimes (but usually pretty well) but at least they learn it.

I've seen plenty of Mexicans that have learned it, but I know there are a lot who don't.

[edit on 23-8-2009 by Miraj]

Yes I have noticed that at least the Asian cultures that migrate to our country at least try to learn the language.......I could never see any asian group come into a restaurant and swear up a storm....they are a very respectable people..

Not saying that mexican's are not ....they are very nice people but I have heard too many stories about this...

What If I was to walk into a restaurant in mexico and start cursing them out because they don't speak spanish......I'd probably end up in a mexican jail

reply to post by LucidDreamer85


Careful! Not every spanish speaking latino is Mexican. In fact, most are not.

reply to post by JaxonRoberts


I have lived in South Texas my entire life. The Spanish-only speakers never really bothered me. Yes, they should learn the language but it was one of those things that I just never fussed over and was pretty used to due to being a native Texan.

That all changed two weeks ago when we went to the parent-teacher meet and greet right before my son started school for the first time ever. It's the night where you can see your child's classroom, meet their classmates, and talk to the teacher. I was pretty appalled to see about 25% of the students in his class were Spanish-only speakers.

The teacher would talk to the Spanish-only speaking parents and children then turn to the rest of us and speak in English. The posters in the classroom were Spanish at the time but by the first day of school, they had English and Spanish posters of everything throughout the room.

I was seriously PO'd. Like I said, it has never been a problem for me but I was very upset being that this could interfere with my son's education. After that night and with only three days left before the first day of school, I went into panic mode trying to find private schools. However, since I married into such a small town, there was nothing within a 30 mile radius.

It really sucks and I am not happy whatsoever. I've worked with non-English speakers and come across them in places of business or social events- no problem to me. But I'm very upset about it happening in American schools.

reply to post by AshleyD

The teacher would talk to the Spanish-only speaking parents and children then turn to the rest of us and speak in English. The posters in the classroom were Spanish at the time but by the first day of school, they had English and Spanish posters of everything throughout the room.

I know many Hispanics who speak perfect English but choose to speak Spanish only in their home. They want their children to learn proper Spanish(not the TEXMEX version I speak:lol and are willing to let the schools teach their children English. Bilinguals in the end.

I personally don't agree with this method, but every parent has their choice how to raise their kids.

reply to post by jam321


I thought about that, too. I doubt they'll make it through all 13 years of school without learning English so I figured they'd learn it in school. lol

But as a parent, it still really upsets me. I'm trying to look on the bright side that it will help him learn some Spanish and I consider ourselves fortunate that, as a stay at home mother, I can supplement his education at home as well to make sure he doesn't get behind.

And I do agree it is every parent's right to raise their child as they see fit (I'm a huge supporter of that) but if their choices interfere with the standard of education my son receives, it's going to anger me.

They also sent home a lot of legal paperwork that showed they do not discriminate against non-English speaking children. I can agree with that to an extent and would never want a child to fall behind because it's not the children's fault. However, I don't see why they can't be in a Spanish speaking class.

It's as if the English speaking children are not receiving the fullest education they should due to the fact they have to cater to non English speaking students. Then of course, by law, illegals also attend the school. So instead of having, let's say, a 50 minute class where they learn something for 50 minutes, it's divided up into the class being taught 25 minutes in English and 25 minutes in Spanish. So they only learn half as much as they would be if it was all taught in English for the full 50 minutes.

Yes, that angers me. Like I said, we even tried going to private but there isn't anything here so we're stuck. We still haven't ruled out home schooling, though. I do feel political correctness is running amok.

Originally posted by schrodingers dog
reply to post by JaxonRoberts

 

Mmm, I bet the owner of the restaurant (as do most) has little issue with his busboys and bar-backs not being fluent in English.

But I guess for some people the problem arises when they have to serve them.

Having said that, it seems to me that the bigger problem in your example, if you are being truthful, is that she just happened to be a rude idiot. Her linguistic skills though you choose to highlight them, are the lesser of two issues.

[edit on 23 Aug 2009 by schrodingers dog]

i totally disagree, she showed lack of respect for our country and it's people for not learning english over a period of 15 years. this happens constantly with me here in california. the restaurant has nothing to apologize for. i bet if it involved her money, her ability to speak english improves greatly.

reply to post by CosmicEgg


I agree that such a barrier needs to be destroyed.

But do we learn all languages, or only one/a few?

It is obvious that everyone would want the world to know "their" language, and since this is the case, it feels as if most Americans are losing this battle.

Should not be the minority that dictates the world language, yet the majority. With that logic though, we all should be speaking Mandarin!

Originally posted by Miraj
Sort of silly she didn't speak english. After 15 years you would imagine that it would be to her own benefit that she would learn to communicate.

If she doesn't want to speak the common language, thats her fault. She should not get upset about it.

I go to a lot of different type of restaraunts here (Thai, inidian, japanese, ect)

And there are many people who have come to America to own these places or work with their families in them. They may not know the best english sometimes (but usually pretty well) but at least they learn it.

I've seen plenty of Mexicans that have learned it, but I know there are a lot who don't.

[edit on 23-8-2009 by Miraj]

I'm convinced it's not about laziness, it's about intelligence. Many mexicans simply can't learn another language while most asians do it easily.

Originally posted by Make Speed Limit 45

Originally posted by Miraj
Sort of silly she didn't speak english. After 15 years you would imagine that it would be to her own benefit that she would learn to communicate.

If she doesn't want to speak the common language, thats her fault. She should not get upset about it.

I go to a lot of different type of restaraunts here (Thai, inidian, japanese, ect)

And there are many people who have come to America to own these places or work with their families in them. They may not know the best english sometimes (but usually pretty well) but at least they learn it.

I've seen plenty of Mexicans that have learned it, but I know there are a lot who don't.

[edit on 23-8-2009 by Miraj]

I'm convinced it's not about laziness, it's about intelligence. Many mexicans simply can't learn another language while most asians do it easily.

You do realize that it has been stated over and over that the woman was Cuban and not Mexican. While on the subject of intelligence, I can point out Cuba and Mexico on a map of the world. Also, you should write Mexicans and Asians with capital 'M' and 'A' as you would not write Americans with a lower case 'A'.

Originally posted by Make Speed Limit 45

I'm convinced it's not about laziness, it's about intelligence. Many mexicans simply can't learn another language while most asians do it easily.

I'd say that's pretty racist of you to brand one race as intelligent while the other, in your opinion, is not.

Also, let's all please keep in mind that Mexicans are not the only latin community that inhabit the US...yes, there is a difference between all people who live here that speak Spanish!

I think if you walk past or are near people engaging in a conversation in another language, it does not mean that's the only language they know. What is so wrong in a group of people speaking to each other in their native tongue if they are not in the workplace? It's more comfortable...I go to Mexico with friends/family and that doesn't mean that I have to start speaking Spanish in all my conversations..I'm going to speak in the language that I know best.

People say Asians speak English and you don't come across them speaking in their language and not attempting English...so not true. Walk into an Asian restaurant or go get your nails done and guess what, they're going to speak to each other in their native tongue and that doesn't necessarily mean they are speaking about you and so what?! People say, oh no, I only come across this with "the Mexicans" or the Hispanic community...of course you're going to see more of this from the Hispanic community, they are the largest minority.