US Starts Notifying Red Cross of terror suspects held at Secret Detention Camps, US reports say

US Starts Notifying Red Cross of terror suspects held at Secret Detention Camps, US reports say

news.bbc.co.uk

The US military has begun notifying the Red Cross of the identities of terror suspects being held at secret camps in Iraq and Afghanistan, US reports say.

The International Committee of the Red Cross would not comment on the report, which the New York Times carried quoting unnamed US officials.

The policy reportedly took effect this month with no public announcement.

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Um... what?

I'm kinda speechless at the scope of this admission.
Read that article carefully.

Combine this with the revelations of this past week in Tom Ridge's book and we have many startling and public admissions about the last administration.

Will this go anywhere?

Or is it all water under the bridge now?
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news.bbc.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 23 Aug 09 by Gools]

It probably won't go any where. The report on US interrogation tactics has been delayed for release to the public... LINK- ABC News.

I'm not so sure that US interrogation and other nations interrogations are much different. It's all a game. You understand, methinks. This is a game they play to try and make something out of nothing and vice-a-
versa. No one really cares how some terror suspect gets interrogated.

For example, A terror suspect is arrested. He is probably a killer and has probably been in firefights and operations against the US or Allies. Would you expect a very friendly interrogation, or would you want to rough the guy up a bit and put him in a prison equal to G-mo??? Well TPTB always choose the latter. Public opinion really means nothing and as far as they are concerned the international laws are worth a piss.

Furthermore, this has been going on for quite some time. Don't believe me??? Go watch Tino's new flick Inglorious Basterds and see how the US interrogated Nazis. I know it's a work of fiction, but there are many 'fictions' that aren't so far from actual truths. Thats just one example though... Interrogation has always been a nasty business, all the way back through time as far as you can dig. It's not really meant to be pleasant.

reply to post by W3RLIED2

No one really cares how some terror suspect gets interrogated.

For sure brother.

i have often thought about this type of action.

For example one could say that a average primate such as a baboon has the intelligence of lets say a two or three year old human primate...to a degree.

Yet as we observe the troop of Baboons you will begin to see a different type of intelligence worm its way through the tribe. Call it a social intelligence.

This particulate type of intelligence allows atrocity's. It allows injustice and rule by power. Monkey see monkey do.

It is observable.

And so then in light of it being observable one could say that those who rule may indeed have the cognitive intake of a two or three year old as well as the social intelligence of a baboon.

reply to post by Gools


People seem to think that the West is more civilized or more humane, how ever you put it, but they don't seem to grasp the idea that the civility only exists as a show. All empires are the same, they make the same mistakes and they end up with the same faith. Just read history carefully and you will see the dejavu.

I note that the BBC has edited the title to something less inflammatory:

"US names secret terror suspects"

They also edited the content. The quoted parts above are no longer quite the same.

As for the replies... does the phrase "innocent until pr oven guilty" mean anything to you people?

Or how about the shoe on the other foot?

Any US military personnel caught in a battle zone DESERVES to be tortured and disappeared into a secret detention camp. Right?


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reply to post by Gools


I have to agree, I'm really in awe at what kind of information we've been receiving lately. It seems more and more we are seeing information of a negative nature about the last adminitration.

I don't think the US will do anything about it, but there are other countries who could take this information and prosecute or pressure US officials to change their policy.

I guess we will have to see, then again Healthcare is all over the map right now and I don't think the media will be talking about much else.

~Keeper

Hold on wait a second. How are they secret if they have been revealed? This is kind of shocking. I didn't know we had detention camps in Afghanistan or Iraq or wherever. My guess is that the press will white-wash this. This is important stuff people should know about... but yeah.

reply to post by Frankidealist35

Most people when they hear the word "terrorist" are trained to turn off the critical thinking and turn on the herd instinct.

I read about these camps years ago. Come on!


I will tell you something IRONIC.

Tommy Douglas , the founder of socialized medicine in Canada, almost single handily stood against martial law during the Pierre Laporte days.

He was widely critiqued by the free press and politicians from all walks of life.

He stood his ground.

And in the end he was proved right.

Research that if you want some truth to the facade of socialism and capitalism.



edit..Let me explain the brain fart above...

I believe the whole American health care scenario is a smoke screen for doing dirty laundry in Afghanistan. Afghanistan is historically a quagmire. And we, the west are stuck in it. Hell we actually half ass support the Taliban whenever the armed forces stimulate the economy in Kabul if you get my drift. Its a FUBAR just like Viet Nam.

Secondly just because a country has adopted socialized medicine it does not impede the citizens right to freedom and this is why I pointed out the stand that Tommy Douglas took when a form of Martial Law took over in Canada when Trudeau was PM.

In other words the very guy who pioneered socialized medicine, Tommy Douglas, (Grandfather of Keifer Sutherland) stood his ground when it came to the rights of the people vs the rights of the government.

I believe the idea that we view the political landscape as simply left and right is far to simple. The current Socialized Medicine thing is a smoke screen in which both so called right and left are taking part in and nothing we say will bring any real change to whatever will be finally tabled. So in light if that this news leaking concerning the prisons in Afghanistan is just par for the course.

I remember hearing about these prisons as well as the one on Garcia and some in Eastern Europe when Clinton was President. President Clinton is the President that started the whole Special Rendition idea in the first place. At least in the terms we see it now.

I do not see any real change taking place as was promised besides the whole banking scenario.


Maybe I am too cynical. And I am sorry that this is a little off topic but this is the way I frame the release of the names news to the Red Cross.

I thought that they used the Red Crescent?



[edit on 24-8-2009 by whiteraven]

Originally posted by Gools
Or how about the shoe on the other foot?

Any US military personnel caught in a battle zone DESERVES to be tortured and disappeared into a secret detention camp. Right?

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Whether we feel it is deserved or not we know that it will most likely happen.

Of course the differance would be that you could see our torture on the internet.

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It’s a double edged sword. This is the way interrogations have been done for a long time. Hell, in middle aged Europe they had much worse ways of interrogation... US soldiers know what the consequences of being a POW might bring. Their rules are no different than ours, after all. The legality of it really doesn't matter to any one apparently


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[edit on 24-8-2009 by W3RLIED2]

I personally do not understand what is going on.

t seems to me to be very counter productive. But because I do not fully understand I cannot cast judgment upon the US intelligence or the US Military.

I do not blame our troops for an overextended reach at all.

I blame whatever haunts those placed in charge of the protection of the Constitution of the Untied States of America.

Whatever that is.