Hezbollah Readies for War as UN Peacekeepers Can Only Observe

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
reply to post by TheCoffinman

 

I 'believe" he meant as far as going to war in their name.

Also as far as allowing terrorists hezbolla troops and weapons to be on another countries border until they have no choice but to distroy the terrorists and weapons before they attack... again.

like i told someone else in another thread... you cant have a guerrilla war (group) without having the support of local people.. if hezbollah didnt have support they wouldnt be there. hezbollah rebuilt lebanon after the 06 war..

www.redorbit.com...

Its one of the pillars of guerrilla warfare, you need the support of the local poopulation to support you, feed you, hide you etc. if you are to exist. Hezbollah has lots of support of not just the lebanese but arabs all over the pan-arab/pan-muslim world...

Hezbollah is now also a major provider of social services, which operate schools, hospitals, and agricultural services for thousands of Lebanese Shiites, and plays a significant force in Lebanese politics.[4] It is regarded as a resistance movement throughout much of the Arab and Muslim world

-From wikipedia

they've been in lebanon for 27 years...

its a shame Hezbollah has to fend of the terrorist zionist nation called israel - true jews are shamed of that country - how the Sephardic Jews are so dispised and taunted by the wealthy Ashkenazi Jews , how the zionists manipulated events - and how Hezbollah has to fight off the terrorist holocaust causing nation when ever israel feels like slaughtering men women and children with chemical weapons.

reply to post by Harlequin


And there we have it. A classic example of the clear difference between the people who attack Israelis and the people who defend them.

I'm motivated by my love for liberal values, freedom and democracy, which Israel is trying to defend. You're motivated by venomous, poisonous hatred of Israel. But it's not Anti-Semitism! Noooo! It's just the Zionists you can't stand - the bad Joos!

Love vs hate.

Truth vs slander.

Reason vs dogma.

Kind of epic isn't it? When you really think about it. Everyone's taking sides. Toms and Jerrys. Seems like the world is splitting in two.

The sad thing is, I think you guys will win in the end. Because when it comes to persuading the PTB, he who screams and shouts the loudest gets noticed. Rational argument, common sense and facts don't stand a chance in the face of sensationalist hateful tantrums.

Sad but true.

Originally posted by mattpryor
reply to post by Harlequin

 

Not a single person was killed from white phosphorus in the Gaza incursion. Not one.

And white phosphorus is used by every modern army as a smoke screen.

The US also used it in Fallujah (when they levelled the city).

So again, why do you judge Israel by separate standards?

Are you serious? Yeah, according to you WP never killed anyone, but I know for a fact that it attaches to the skin and it will melt you and you cannot simply blow it off. Death would be something that you would want in that situation.

And not only did Israel use it all the time over civilians (It was all over the news at the time, even though most people thought they were just flares), but it was also used against medical services. I remember one international medical group's facility burned for three days straight because you cannot extinguish WP with water.

WP should be used against Israel to see how they like it. Btw, that's a friggin' crazy photo.

I'm motivated by my love for liberal values, freedom and democracy, which Israel is trying to defend.

While Israel completely rapes and destroys the liberal values, freedom and democracy of the people's whose land they are on.

[edit on 21-8-2009 by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi]

reply to post by kenton1234


Last I checked Hezbollah isn't a sovereign state, but only a gang that has more guns than the Lebanese, so they shouldn't be compared to any state.

But just for conversations sake what are laws are Israel in CLEAR violation of? I know this is pathetic but I don't know which ones they've broken.

I wonder if by your reasoning it should be okay for me as a private citizen to threaten the security of Mexico in the name of the United States, because Mexican citizens keep breaking the immigration laws.

So what the Hezbollah supporters are saying is that despite Hezbollah being brushed aside in recent elections the Lebanese still want them?

You're giving Hezbollah credit for rebuilding after the 2006 war, which Hezbollah was clearly the belligerent party that initiated whole thing; thanks for fixing the things you are responsible for breaking?!

And even though Israel is bound by international treaties with the Western backed Lebanese state...you believe Hezbollahs assertion that Israel is a threat to Lebanon. You believe that Israel would risk destroying a Western backed government, so that a Syrian-backed regime could take power, as was the case from 1990 to 2005? If you think that you truly are Mad. It seems that Israel has already achieved all the political objectives it could have hoped for in Lebanon; a independent, friendly Arab(?) government, with a weak military that has marginalized Hezbollah.

But the notion that Hezbollah is an aggressive, violence oriented organization that wants to play its role in some global conquest scheme in collaboration with Iran and others and has every intention of launching an attack upon Israel whether Israel attacks or not; thus the reason it is rearming in direct violation of every legal convention, is hard to believe.

I personally think Hezbollah is a criminal organization and that everything that comes from their mouth is a lie. I think they know Lebanon is not in danger from Israel and they know that if they don't start a war there won't be a war. I also think they need this war to survive. Once Lebanon realizes Israel is not a threat...Hezbollah will vanish.

Couldn't they use some FLIR cameras, locate the cache, then eliminate it with extreme prejudice?

It's like letting a virus build back up because you get paid more for treating it, the worse it is or something.

reply to post by depth om


1) it's not that simple.
2) what happens when discover it is being stored in

a)Mosques, they were caught doing that before.
b)civilian homes
c)civilian business's
d) tunnels below the above

“I want to assure the Israeli enemy that Hizbollah will be in the government, whether the enemy likes it or not, because the interests of the country require that we all take part in this government,”

- PM Saad Hariri

Lebanon needs a unity government that includes a role for the Islamic resistance movement Hizbollah to effectively ward off Israeli aggression, according to the incoming prime minister-designate, Saad Hariri.

www.thenational.ae.../20090827/FOREIGN/708269830/1002

there goes all your arguements.. Lebanon stands in a united front, side by side with hezbollah, against isreal....

reply to post by Harlequin


Actually a lot more than 5 countries know hezbolla are terrorist's.

The EU considers them a terrorist organization.
The EU has 27 member states.


So, I can easily come up with 30 countries who consider the hezbolla terrorists.

Also, seriously people, if they were not planning to attack/make war, why would they be bringing more and more weapons and terrorist troops to the border????

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
Also, seriously people, if they were not planning to attack/make war, why would they be bringing more and more weapons and terrorist troops to the border????

Gee, maybe because they are rearming themselves to fight off another Israeli offensive against them? Why does Israel only have the right to rearm when they are clearly aggressors?

reply to post by Harlequin


Hey, man I hate to tell you, but Willie Pete isn't exactly a weapon of mass destruction. Seriously, I can think of a hundred pieces of military equipment more efficiently lethal. The only time it's any good is if you have to smoke someone out of a fortified area, or you're doing a "shake and bake."

reply to post by TheCoffinman


Please could you enlighten me, if the Lebanese government cared so much about Palestinians, why are those Palestinian refugees still living in UNRWA refugee camps after 61 years?

Why haven't they been rehoused and been able to live normal lives?

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


Part of the Un brookered peace deal from the last war Hezbolla started was to disarm the terrorists.

We can all see how effective that was.

And yet, people still wonder why Israel thinks the UN is nothing more than a joke, at best.

Originally posted by mattpryor
reply to post by TheCoffinman

 

Please could you enlighten me, if the Lebanese government cared so much about Palestinians, why are those Palestinian refugees still living in UNRWA refugee camps after 61 years?

Why haven't they been rehoused and been able to live normal lives?

How dare you bring facts, logic and reason to a M.E. discussion.

How dare you respond to attacks with logic and class.

How dare you.....

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
reply to post by Harlequin

 

Actually a lot more than 5 countries know hezbolla are terrorist's.

The EU considers them a terrorist organization.
The EU has 27 member states.

wrong:


www.ejpress.org...

BRUSSELS (EJP)---The European Union’s counterterrorism coordinator, Gilles de Kerckhove, told EJP he doesn’t believe that the EU would put Hezbollah on the list of terror groups because several member states, including France, oppose such a move.

So, I can easily come up with 30 countries who consider the hezbolla terrorists.

please do since the EU do not label them as terrorists.

down to 5 again.

Also, seriously people, if they were not planning to attack/make war, why would they be bringing more and more weapons and terrorist troops to the border????

yes the zionist terrorsts , those who use WP in breach of the CCWC blanket bombing hospitals , i would anything and everything i could to defend my country from them


yes DEFEND - or have yo noticed that hezbollah don`t invade anyone , and don`t operate outside of the area

Originally posted by Griever0311
reply to post by Harlequin

 

Hey, man I hate to tell you, but Willie Pete isn't exactly a weapon of mass destruction. Seriously, I can think of a hundred pieces of military equipment more efficiently lethal. The only time it's any good is if you have to smoke someone out of a fortified area, or you're doing a "shake and bake."

WP when used in blanket bombing attacks against civilans - used in `shake and bake` missions in the urban enviroment us a breach of the CCWC and a war crime.

oh and less than 10 countries have said WP is legal - the rest of the planet say its a chemcial weapon and a WMD.


so just because the US says its legal means its ok to use? then pakistan must be fine with nuking anyone because they haven`t signed any agreements.

Originally posted by Harlequin

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
reply to post by Harlequin

 

Actually a lot more than 5 countries know hezbolla are terrorist's.

The EU considers them a terrorist organization.
The EU has 27 member states.

wrong:


www.ejpress.org...

BRUSSELS (EJP)---The European Union’s counterterrorism coordinator, Gilles de Kerckhove, told EJP he doesn’t believe that the EU would put Hezbollah on the list of terror groups because several member states, including France, oppose such a move.

EU lawmakers label Hizbollah 'terrorist’ group, but still seem to court negotiations

Dhimmi watch

Putin Condemns Hezbollah, Supports Israel; Kadyrov Kills More Terrorists

Russian blog.org

So, I can easily come up with 30 countries who consider the hezbolla terrorists.

please do since the EU do not label them as terrorists.

down to 5 again.

Also, seriously people, if they were not planning to attack/make war, why would they be bringing more and more weapons and terrorist troops to the border????

yes the zionist terrorsts , those who use WP in breach of the CCWC blanket bombing hospitals , i would anything and everything i could to defend my country from them

" Israel that "COUNTER ATTACKS" terrorists rockets and mortars that they specifically target Israeli civilians with"


yes DEFEND - or have yo noticed that hezbollah don`t invade anyone , and don`t operate outside of the area

"Incase YOU did not notice, those terrorists launched rockets and much more over the border, sorry to distroy your fantasy with truth and facts about hezbolla terrorists

Originally posted by mrmonsoon

Originally posted by mattpryor
reply to post by TheCoffinman

 

Please could you enlighten me, if the Lebanese government cared so much about Palestinians, why are those Palestinian refugees still living in UNRWA refugee camps after 61 years?

Why haven't they been rehoused and been able to live normal lives?

How dare you bring facts, logic and reason to a M.E. discussion.

How dare you respond to attacks with logic and class.

How dare you.....

Why should they have to be the ones moving, when they were there first?

After being on this board for a while, I can truly understand why there is the need for groups like Hezbollah and Hamas. There are far too many people in this world that honestly believe that there are two "classes" of people over there. There is the Israelis, who can do no wrong and are the shining beacon of hope, surrounded by Muslims who are on a scale lower than a rabid dog to you.

It seems from most of the Israel apologists such as mattpryor, the only acceptable solution to this situation is complete capitulation from the Muslims of this world. Anything short of them meeting every single demand is unacceptable and they will be punished. If they do not adopt our values and way of life, they must be forced to.

As sad as it is, it is those very groups that keep their society running. They build and run schools, hospitals, and other important infrastructure they we in the West keep destroying. In the last war, Israel bombed Beirut, which was no where near the warzone. Yet you will accept that it had to happen for the reasons that Israel gives. Despite that fact that they say it was not a war against Lebanon, they targeted Lebanese infrastructure that had no bearing on Hezbollah or the war. They targeted UN observers, knowing full well who they were.

Guaranteed you will come back with another lame duck excuse like you always do. You are running out of plausible excuses for the actions of Israel.

reply to post by depth om


That's what peacekeepers do, they do not attack anyone unless attacked. That is a very important principle for the simple reason that if they go around playing world police noone will trust them anymore. They won't be allowed to areas where needed if they start engaging targets. Their passive presense is very effective in stopping conflicts from escalating. Even without active armed response they still hold the trust of the common people and most often win over the trust of parties in conflict.