You're participating in a false flag opperation - 9/11 Truthers - You're carrying out the agenda

reply to post by Robin Goodfellow


I totally agree here, this has all been set up long ago to happen by

TPTB. They don't want people to be fully awake to the right agenda!!

IMO!

reply to post by Doomsday 2029


Nice thread. I'll go ahead and star and flag it.

However, I'll have to ponder it some more before I support it.
You see, while yes, while the PTB could have done just this, the American Government isn't complicit with it.
If they were, they would give "truthers" more air time and more consideration.

Instead of allowing it to be seen through, they squash it.
Me thinks that they simply didn't care about WMD in Iraq and knew that the American People wouldn't either.

I think the author of these sentiments is over-intellectualizing things and muddying the waters.
We are pretty damned hot on the trail of the perps and they are still avoiding it in the media.

I think the premise is flawed. But I'll bump it for the good thought exercise.

Hmmm. On second thought, I'm not so sure. I guess the idea would be to get the world in unison against the US.
Remember, the boogey man (Bin Laden) said that this was an elaborate plan to take down the US.


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To be honest, I've had similar thoughts as to 'why' this all occured. Look at past manipulation and treason, it's usually a little more watertight.
Although you could argue that this one was technologically the hardest one to do.. many more cameras etc (some of which were not shown for some reason)...

Here's an idea: perhaps the 'cracks' in the story are there to ignite a general population againt US govt. Once US govt is replaced/destabilised by provacteurs and true patriots etc the UN is called in. UN won't give a crap about constitution...

I've always thought that the "United" States was a prelude to the "United" Nations. After all, territories form into states, and states will form the "Nations" without borders.

Only one more thing stands in the way of the plan: The United States Constitution. That's it. Game over.

Plans are already underway to label defenders of the Constitution as terrorists, which the definition of that word alone has been refined and re-defined since 911. That my friends is what 911 was for --to redefine one word in the English language: terrorist. Before 911 a terrorist usually was someone in the Mideast blowing themselves up, or a hijacker. And now today a terrorist can be anyone. The next step is that a terrorist will be everyone. Because THEN they can do anything: take away liberties to eliminate borders to imprison innocents to set examples to keep the others in line –all in the name of security.

I've said it in many posts on here long ago and have been observing how they treat that word and watch it morph but yet grow into a monster that cannot be contained by justice --thankfully and planned by them.

So, how do we undo this? Can it be undone?

I read that post about the Pendulum and how one blogger asks her to ask the Pendulum: Is there time to change our path and it apparently replied: "no."

Therein lies the mistake. Once again to set a precedence and make it seem that despite our attempts and efforts, any efforts, things cannot be changed, so why bother? This is the line of thinking that TPTB LOVE and have ingrained within most of you, and I as well. Sit back and take your medicine we prescribe (which after a few changes in the law will mean “force upon you”).

I may be on disability and I may be one of the first to go as a Defender of the Constitution, but I'm not lying down. To give up the quest for truth and justice you might as well lay down because that's when you stop existing anyway.

They're saying Defenders of the Constitution are terrorists and surprisingly people are not getting mad! I say to NOT love the Constitution you are a terrorist! What a concept, huh? If you don’t like the laws this country was built upon then you do not like this country –you’re merely a guest, taking advantage of the hospitality, and that’s exactly what TPTB are doing.

They’re reorganizing –turning the new against the old and doing it VERY methodically. Out with the Old, in with the New! Change has indeed come to America my friends!

Pearl Jam once said: “I change by not changing at all.”

So how do we undo this? Change starts from within. Good people MUST start getting into politics. Bring honor, integrity in all that you do. Vote against party lines -make sure no one has a long reign in ANY office.

Don’t be sold in anything that you cannot buy back or return. And don’t buy into anything that will have you sell your soul because the employee in the Complaint Department was let go.

How convenient.

Originally posted by Doomsday 2029 This is my last warning for all you 9-11 Truthers out there. I've tried to lay out the truth for ATSers regarding the motive behind 9-11, and I've gotten very little response, So this is my last attempt.

What do you intend to do? Since I do not know you personally, I have to question the nature of this post.

Why can't people see that terrorist actually did attack our country? I just do not get the problem.

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Hmmm, could be true but perhaps you're giving to much credit to TPTB and too little to people who won't take no more and dig for the truth to open up other's eyes.

If you really believe TPTB are sooo clever, then why are we still not in an NWO?

Now that I think about it, why would TPTB even want an NWO - to microchip us a la David Icke? And then what?

Their supposed desire for a Global Government only holds water if you believe the people at the top aren't already smirking and shaking hands with each other behind the scenes.

They can do whatever they want already
and totally get away with it....
Hiroshima, Nagasaki, the Holocaust, 911, wars in the Middle East, torture, the Gaza massacre earlier this year, the bailouts, etc etc.

Perhaps we should stop thinking that they're still planning the NWO and consider that they're just having fun with us? Always have been?

I mean, perhaps after buying 7 mansions, 2 islands, 378 hookers, 56 cars, 12 companies they get a little bored with spending money? Perhaps they want to go further - be all powerfull? Murder is exciting, but what about mass murder?

Your OP sure got me thinking here; perhaps the whole NWO thing is something to keep the critical and defiant among us busy thinking we are the Sherlock Holmes's of a free Earth?

So.... let's take your thinking a step further:

Why is the NWO so obvious?

I respectfully disagree with the OP and the proffered article's ideas.
My opinion;

9/11 was orchestrated to bring the country to war in the Middle East
by creating hate aimed at brown people (Muslims) and thereby popular
opinion to engage in war.

The main objective of this war was to obtain security for a pipeline across
Afghanistan. Secondary objectives were to create and maintain cash-flow
into the Military Industrial Complex, create a smokescreen and/or urgency to
pass legislation that increases Executive and Federal power, and finally
to begin the process to bankrupt the United States.

We are well on our way to the first objective as the War on Terror has been
moved from Iraq to Afghanistan.

And the bankrupting of America is next on the menu; expect a short period
of economic stability to increase investor confidence followed by a major
collapse---the final "fleecing" of the sheeple. Then expect the federal
government to begin wielding its newly acquired control when the SHTF.

Anyway...that's just one poster's opinion...

When I was getting deep into my research in 9-11, I stumbled upon an article on the web that connected all the dots. It showed me how the NWO will come to be, and it showed me that everything I was trying to do was carrying out the agenda of TPTB. It all made perfect sense, and I've been doing my best to get this message out to others in the Truth Movement.

Yeah, NWO. I heard of them about 20 years ago. When they show up let me know.

I've always suspected that the 9-11 "Truth" movement was created and purposly put out there by people like Alex Jones, because they work for "Them". You know, the ones "Behind the curtain".

There are millions of people who would be great to have in the ongoing fight against the United Nations and those so-called "Civilized" countries of the world that want nothing more than to bankrupt and humble the United States.

But those people have been dupped into spending all their energy and investigative abilities looking for explosive "Dust" in a building that contained millions of tons of the components of explosives, and making crazy youtube videos about invisible or holographic airplanes.

IMO the 9-11 "truth" movement just shows the utter gullibility of most Americans.

Most Americans can't concieve or accept the fact that some primative savages from a cave in the desert could do something like that to the By-God United States of America. So, it must be our fault, because only WE could do something like that to ourselves.

And TPTB, the ones that can't complete their New World Order, latched on to this conspiracy theory, and are pulling the strings to keep it alive and growing.

Why?

Because all the people who could be revealing their plans and maybe exposing them, are now busy trying to do exactly what they want them to do... bring down the USA.



So, while outside forces, like George Soros, rape this country, and destroy our economy...

And while puppets like Obama, put in place like people like Soros, do everything they can to destroy the Constitution...

And while the MSM continues to tell you everything is all unicorns and rainbows (and George Boooosh is EVIL)...

You go right ahead looking the other way. Keep digging into every crazy little scrap those behind the truth movement throw you. It keeps you busy, and not watching what's REALLY going on.

Instead of spending 20 hours a day watching and re-watching faked, edited and intentionally blurred video of 9-11, take 5 minutes and look into people like Soros. Mr. moveon.org. His ties to Obama, Bill Ayers and his history. He is suspected of being behind the collapse of at least two nation's economies. One of which is now well on their way to socialism and has fallen right in line with the NWO and UN plans.

Or, you know, you could keep screaming "Fire can't melt steel!"

reply to post by rival


I agree, This is all planned by TPTB, and the demise of the U.S.

WE have been slaves all our lives, we have served our purpose! IMO

IMO the 9-11 "truth" movement just shows the utter gullibility of most Americans.

I think it would be utterly gullible to believe the flight 77 government story. To each their own. Pearl harbor was an inside job and it took 40+years for that to come out via FIOA.

Excellent post. Not at all surprising though as there are rats in every organizations. I always thought it was suspicious how famous David Icke and Alex Jones are merely based on their counter-info. Ron Paul, as others have said, also seems to be an "agent" The rats work in favor of the elite by portraying themselves to be truthers to us and to be madmen to the world, thus, we are madmen as well.

Like I said, people will not wake up until it is too late. The government knows how to get rid of the truth. Either by burying it (kill you), countering it (a credibility, seemingly rational source), or mirroring you only to reveal that you and it are in it for base means. Don't ya just love the government!

I was 19yrs old when it happened & was watching when the 2nd plane hit and my 1st words was osama bin laden because his name showed up in the news about a year earlier saying he was a terriorist who wanted to attack us. THEY wanted to make sure when the sept. 11 attacks happened we knew just who to blame. I was a 19yr old kid whose main concern was pot back then and even I knew who to blame when it hapened, there goal was achived the media spun it and we ate it up and we all know who runs the media.

I think 911 makes sense to me from the following standpoint. The elite globalist bankers who own the Federal Reserve and many other economies, and have a clear agenda to force a global UN one world government, and they found the perfect vehicle to advance their agenda in 911.

The plan goes something like this: first hire a group that the shadow government trusts or is an actual part of to, pull 911 off (maybe the CIA, NSA, Mossad or a variety of other options.) The hurt, anger and shock of the American people will allow passage of nice sounding rhetoric legislation such as “The Patriot Act” which sounds like it will protect Americans in the future, but instead serves to further degrade the protections for those citizens of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Make it look like a convenient enemy perpetrated the atrocity, and start a few new wars based upon this. Never miss the opportunity for a good war, as war is peace, and it is also extremely profitable for those financing it.


The next step occurs when all of the knee-jerk legislation that the agenda makers wanted has passed, and Americans begin to accept degrading and privacy stealing procedures as a matter of conditioning (for their safety.. such as airport searches of all of their baggage and body , (including 85 year old grandmothers).

Then is the time to come partially clean and start blaming the Government, (rather than TBTP controlling most but not all of the Government.) These actions further condition the people to become angry and blame our Constitutional government as at best corrupt and inept and at worse murderers of many of its own citizens, rather than those factions of the shadow government global elitists actually involved. This is made a lot easier, because this shadow purposely hides and is not clearly seen unless carefully unmasked.


The justifiably enraged citizens start to consider demanding another form of Government, throwing that pesky power limiting Constitution and Bill of rights out of the window. Since the Constitutional Government was obviously inept or downright evil, a kinder, gentler one world Government would eliminate wars, famine, atrocities, unfairness, unsustainably global populations and liberty. Never mind those last parts, there are too many useless eaters who don’t need to exist weren’t using liberty anyway as the Big brother show on TV was more entertaining. Even if the angry citizens don't go that far, anger erodes into powerless apathy, and they continue to allow Cogress to further degrade the Consitiution and Bill of Rights by passing legislation that they do not even read.

Ben Franklin said something to the effect of, those who sacrifice liberty for safety will in the end have neither. Gerald Ford (of all people), said, “A government big enough to give you anything that you want is big enough to take everything that you have.”


At least that seems to be the plan. What they are not counting on, is that vast numbers of people will unmask their tyranny, see them for the ugliness that they are, and refrain from once again falling victim to a programmed knee jerk response. Maybe a real first step would be the ousting the Federal Reserve’s unconstitutional hijacking of our currency and economy, and stand together as free sons and daughters of the Republic, supporting the United States Constitution and the Bill of rights.

This took me a while to compose, so I haven' really read all of the previous responses yet, but I am sure that some of them share these sentiments, so I am sorry if this has already been said. If it has been said, thank-you for saying it.

All of the above is just my opinion and for entrainment purposes only, as the first amendment’s protections seem to be in jeopardy, replaced by “hate speech” concerns.

Alright, I've thought about it at considerable lenght. The truth is, I don't care if this is all a double-play or not.
I mean, I've got to spend my life doing something.

Might as well stick to my guns. Single my enemy. And do whatever I can to bring them down.

Because, after all, this is just a game we have dreamed up. I've got to play a role.

reply to post by Doomsday 2029


I like the idea here and I respect your point of view, but I disagree. Don't take that the wrong way, I really like the fact you have kept your mind working and open. The reason for my disagreement is that I don't believe that any controlling power is omnipotent or omniscient and perfect. If there are things "discovered" it could simply be that they "screwed" up or misjudged the masses. Also, don't forget there are people who have other agenda's and not everyone is always on the same page.

Remember none of us are perfect and when crimes are committed a lot of screw ups happen, sometimes it looks like the criminal is begging to be caught, but we must all remember that human nature and abilities have limits. So to with controlling power.

I personally think the best explanation here, is the Industrial Military Complex and the control of the Middle East, their hands on the Oil and Empire building.

Now the question here was "Why didn't they just plant the Weapons of Mass Destruction In Iraq?"

The answer is that this is very complicated. IT is another country and to be sure, when all eyes are fixed on you, be sure that Intelligence Groups and satellites the world over would be also watching. It could be game over if the Russians had definite proof for example of them planting such evidence. Also that type of thing would be very difficult to achieve given the signatures on that type of material.

With 9/11, the world wasn't watching "pre/911n the same sense as in Iraq" It was on their own soil. This is probably done by criminal elements within the Gov.

Now given what I said, it doesn't mean what your saying is untrue. It could be that what I said is not right and what your saying is true. It could also be that what I am saying is correct and your incorrect. Do you see where this might lead? When we start multiplying reasons like this, we may end up doubting "everything."

So we must use science and also look with our eyes and hearts for the truth.

I believe the truth is that someone committed an awful crime and screwed up doing so. The transparency was more to their lack of vision and their misreading the ability of the internet etc.





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Op,good topic S&F for you! As for us being manipulated I think it certainly not out of the realm of possibility.The nation seems to have indeed been set up for failure.

September 11th was nothing more than a terror attack. I don't think our own government was involved. After reading several threads similar to this one, I think people have a hard time believing that we were vulnerable. I think people feel safer through rationalizing these types of events. Since some people cannot cope with secure environments being compromised, they have to make the story bigger than life. I am sorry to tell you this, but we were attacked by a foreign invader. No one can go back and erase what happened.

9/11 conspiracy theorists and JFK theorist cannot cope with one truth. Regardless about how safe we were on those two days, one man did compromise all of our safety.

Great post, i truly believe that the few pulling the strings WANT a biblical epic good vs evil battle.

I also think that the us and the ruskies have been in bed for a long time.

Originally posted by M157yD4wn
3. Research and Testing- the reactions, intelligence, and other characteristics of the Citizens of the USA.

A star for you. I think what's most likely is that if there has been any deliberately lazy covering up of 9/11, it is because we are being tested. The NWO would like to know how far we can be pushed, and I'd say the answer is "pretty far".