The Real Reason Behind the Cash for Clunkers Program

I looked and didn't see this posted yet.
If it has been ... my apologies ...



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Text of the Privacy Act & Security Statement at cars.gov:

“This application provides access to the DoT CARS system. When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the U.S. Government. Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, Dot, and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign.”

OMG ... .... my computer would be considered a gov't computer AND my information could be disclosed to both domestic and foreign agencies? I don't know what else to say except ... OMG Dunno about this ....

[edit on 8/20/2009 by FlyersFan]

Good thing I have two computers. One for web browsing and another that has never been connected to the internet!!

TAKE THAT YOU GOVERNMENT SNAKES!

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Wow. I am speechless... just wow.

I don't know if the Cash for Clunkers was specifically just so they could hack our computers.. I am fairly certain they do that anyways..

$19 million dollars for a little webpage like that? .. Noooo .. it was $19 million dollars for the spying software.

PS..... this is an excellent view into our future. This will be the new "normal"..

[edit on 8/20/2009 by Rockpuck]

They said not only your computers but also everything in your whole house basically.

The TV news reported that less than half the cars bought through the Cash for Clunkers program were American made. We have been stimulating the Japanese economy with this program. But I'm sure the gov't will come up with more money to keep it going. Afterall .... look at what they get out of it .... total access to your computer, which is now the gov't's computer and which they can sell the info to any agency they want, domestic or even foreign.

The page that Glenn Beck is accessing is the page that DEALERS go to when they're submitting a claim to the government for the Cash for Clunkers program.

Your standard consumer would never even see that page, nor have to accept the agreement that leads Beck to believe his computer has become property of the U.S. government. I'll try to find the article that explains this to add some validity to my statement.

EDIT: www.glennbeck.com...

Thats a link to Glenn Beck's website that talks a bit more about this. In this interview I linked, it only talks about how someone from the dealership looking to process claims would be accessing this website. So, yes, while its still a scary prospect of accepting that kind of agreement, it wont be something that affects every user who goes or has went to the cars.gov website.

[edit on 20-8-2009 by seadragoniii]

i do not blame people for not buying a american made car. when spending so much of your next to worthless dollars (plus interest that is not made of "dollars") whats the better buy? a car manufactured to need replacing in 5-7 years (more if your lucky), or a vehicle that is made to run as long as it's maintained?

easy choice for me and my family.

although, we are glad we did not participate in this "program."

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OMG, like they are NOT monitoring us now...

They know ALL of ours name, addresses etc... People are talking about revolt, guns/ presidents.

I am afraid of the Death Squad Panels personally

dear god i can see where this is highly disturbing to the non-net savvy but PLEASE this is hype.

#1 there is no instantaneous collection of data, to take 'all your personal information' would take quite awhile.

#2 once you disconnect from the system you are no longer part of the system period. they are talking about the information on the SYSTEM not on a personal computer. nowhere does it say your personal, physical computer becomes government property permanently. it clearly states "WHEN your computer is logged onto the CARS system it is considered a federal computer system and is property of the federal government" so when it is NOT, it is not. This is about IT security and not sealing your information, if they wanted to they simply would they wouldn't have to do this. this is simply Beck ragging on a successful government program that agitates him. You can put your tinfoil hats away.

#3 why should i believe this lady's claim that the government has malwear programs and tracking cookies that they are putting into my comp to track me 'forever'. please she obviously has no idea of what she is talking.

basically this is the typical drivel produced by faux news to try to drive a wedge through the country in order to destroy it for their corporate masters. nothing 'real' to see here folks but a blow-hard and his vanna white like side kick.

Better hurry up!

TPTB just anounced the program will end at 8:00 P.M. Monday!

Thank goodness Congress is on recess, otherwise a few more billion would have been made available.

I love it when Congress is not in session.

But I thought Beck was a right wing nut job that spews nothing but lies?!?!?!

So if I bank online while I go to this site, all my savings will now belong to Obama?
I need to find a way to have him take possesion of my bills instead.

Today CARS, tomorrow ...?

Can somebody please explain the acronym for CARS?
... I doubt it is really referring to automobiles.

My take is, ONLY "WHEN" you are logged on to their site.
And at least they are telling you. WHEN. It doesn't say they maintain this monitoring/ownership program after you have disconnected from them. And I doubt they do, as logging on directly connects you to them. Also, remember it IS a gov't DoT website, so it makes a good security policy to make sure they don't get hacked. Fear of having your secrets stolen.

I'm sure it is set up to sneak a look into computers while you are connected and logged on to their website though..haha, Bios hacking has been around for a long time. The governments ARE sneaky. haha.

But the choice is yours. You should ALWAYS read the disclaimers etc.

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Car Allowance Rebate System

It's right under the logo in the top left corner of the cars.gov website.

But as far as the definition, I know, I was surprised too. A government acronym that actually describes something accurately.

reply to post by anonamousantichrist

a car manufactured to need replacing in 5-7 years (more if your lucky), or a vehicle that is made to run as long as it's maintained?

Interesting considering my three vehicles are American made, around 20 years old and two have a 1/2 million miles or more on them. I have no intention of replacing them any time soon. The newest replaced a vehicle with 600,000 miles and it was replace because someone totaled it. (actually a friend took it and it is still on the road)

The answer to the part about car dealers

Yes, only dealers may access this part of the website.
However, dealers still maintain information on people who bought cars from them such as:
Credit history
Bank Account information
SSN
Personal references (along with their home addresses and phone numbers)

Pretty much anything someone would need to commit identity theft.

The information will be available no matter if you participated in the program or not, if you bought a car from a dealer that is participating in the program your information is now property of the government and may be used and shared with domestic and foreign agencies.

You might want to check with a car dealer to see if this is true before you buy your next new car.

Originally posted by mental modulator
I am afraid of the Death Squad Panels personally

You should be.
Someday you'll be AARP age and that's when the 'fun' will begin.

Originally posted by seadragoniii
it wont be something that affects every user who goes or has went to the cars.gov website.

I hope you are right. From what I'm reading (and I admit I'm not computer savy), it looks mighty frightening and intrusive.

Originally posted by Animal
#3 why should i believe this lady's claim that the government has malwear programs and tracking cookies ....

They recently got caught with their pants down in regards to collecting email addresses and sending unsolicited emails to those people. Do you think they are incapable of other more nafarious treachery? True, no one has proof of it, just like no one has proof that JFK was the target of a conspiracy, but chances are that it's there .. ya' know?

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by mental modulator
I am afraid of the Death Squad Panels personally

You should be.
Someday you'll be AARP age and that's when the 'fun' will begin.

Oh god I doubt I will make it, don't even know if I want to...

If you get Death Paneled, I am saying, "sorry I was a fool" now.

You'll get Jeb one day soon enough there FF, you'll feel safe again eventually, one day at a time.

Originally posted by mental modulator
You'll get Jeb one day soon enough there FF, you'll feel safe again eventually, one day at a time.

Jeb isn't running. He has said so. Even if he did, he wouldn't win. I have no idea who the Libertarians or the Constitution Party are putting up in 2012. WHOEVER they are, they've gotta' be better then Obama or Jindal or Christ or ________ (fill in republican or democrat of choice). That's where my vote will be going .. if I'm alive .. and considering everything, I doubt it.

really i am not trying to prevent anyone from carrying out their paranoid delusional fantasies, feel free to continue down that road.

i am pointing out the terrible unreliability of the source provided and the questionable qualifications of the personalities acting as the mouth pieces of this source.

while i highly doubt the 'real reason' for the cash for clunkers program was to steal anyone's 'private information' i will not stand in anyone's way who wished to believe such a claim.

still, i will also reserve my right to call such a claim the most idiotic thing i have herd today.

Looky looky, they know we're on to them!

Program ends....

[edit on 20-8-2009 by Demoncreeper]