"The Real Ufo's"

Here is what I beleieve to be the real ufo's and what most people report as ufo's, this video shows some top secret jets including the aurora, a very top secret jet and one that most experts say is what most people report as a ufo!

most people that reported black triangles said they didnt make any sound..somehow i dont think the crafts in your video are silent

So you would rather go with what exactly, that aliens came here in a flying space ship that goes against all scientific research, thinking and not to mention the odds. Ok I completely understand that, I really do.

Note:

The big black silent flying triangles you are talking about is said to be a top weather research blimp that the military only fly's at night, and is said to be 750 ft across, it's a dynamic f-345 research blimp that does research on all kinds of things.

[edit on 20-8-2009 by Mr_XIM]

reply to post by Mr_XIM

Why do we have to go with earth scientific research? Who says were right? For all we know we could have it all wrong. Amazes me how people discount anything that doesnt agree with earths scientific theorys.

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Can you honestly tell me what the odds really are? Can you tell me whether there are 5 earth like planets within 10 light years or 0? Can you say with complete certainty that there are intelligent races are uncommon or do not exist? Can you tell me with 100% certainty that scientists know about anything having to do with life elsewhere? Can you tell me with 100% certainty that we haven't been found? Can you tell me with 100% certainty that life cannot come to be under different conditions?

No you can't. You can't answer any of these questions and if you did it would be impossible to have anything to back it up except for an equation where the variables are unknown. You my friend are speculating.

reply to post by Mr_XIM


Nice video.
The Aurora is just another toy compared to the Triangle Starships
that MJ-12 currently has operating just of our east and west coasts.
Star Wars 1980s = Triangle Starship Fleet
I think George W. Bush gave the OK to build a large space station
that is currently orbiting our moon.
We have to get back to the moon to get Helium 3 for our
Helium 3 / deuterium Fusion Reactors - no water or steam required.
Clearly, the most impressive reactor found on Wikipedia.

Last I heard, satellites are already, or will soon be, using Earth's magnetic field to keep themselves in orbit. Seems pretty groundbreaking to me. And think, it's new. Now think, we're new. Now think what will happen in a billion or more years. I know, it's hard - but try. You should at least get some 'wild' thoughts. Some may be based on logic, work with them. But remember how many accidents have brought about big discoveries in human history.

Edit: Don't worry about having 'wild' creative thoughts. Some writers make a living on it. All inventors used that aspect of the imagination. You won't be crazy, trust me.

[edit on 20-8-2009 by shanerz]

Originally posted by Mr_XIM
So you would rather go with what exactly, that aliens came here in a flying space ship that goes against all scientific research, thinking and not to mention the odds. Ok I completely understand that, I really do.

Ehm, no i don't. You must have trouble reading?

All i did is respond to your statement that most ufo encounters can be explained by secret crafts. I'm only saying that the black triangle reports often can NOT be explained by them because silent, hovering craft does not really fit the description of a mag3 fighter jet does it?

Nowhere did i say they were piloted by extraterrestials.

Personally, i am highly skeptical about ufos. But to dismiss all reports (by high ranked offcials etc) by saying they are secret crafts is a bit too easy. And keep in mind, most reports DO defy common logic and are against the odds.

The big black silent flying triangles you are talking about is said to be a top weather research blimp that the military only fly's at night, and is said to be 750 ft across, it's a dynamic f-345 research blimp that does research on all kinds of things.

Well, THAT would be an explanation. However i personally havent heard of this, so please post more info, or even better, pictures or videos.

Here is what I beleieve to be the real ufo's and what most people report as ufo's

Totally agree, it stands to reason that many would believe many of those crafts to be UFO`s if they had seen one in flight.
Cheers
mrix

Originally posted by DaMod
reply to post by Mr_XIM

 

Can you honestly tell me what the odds really are? Can you tell me whether there are 5 earth like planets within 10 light years or 0? Can you say with complete certainty that there are intelligent races are uncommon or do not exist? Can you tell me with 100% certainty that scientists know about anything having to do with life elsewhere? Can you tell me with 100% certainty that we haven't been found? Can you tell me with 100% certainty that life cannot come to be under different conditions?

No you can't. You can't answer any of these questions and if you did it would be impossible to have anything to back it up except for an equation where the variables are unknown. You my friend are speculating.

I think you answered your ownself with the redic you spilled here. for example you wrote """No you can't. You can't answer any of these questions and if you did it would be impossible to have anything to back it up except for an equation where the variables are unknown. You my friend are speculating."""

And what can you or any believers do to back up your claims, nothing compared to what I can, knowing the odds and the common logical order saids "NO"

Originally posted by Mr_XIM

Originally posted by DaMod
reply to post by Mr_XIM

 

Can you honestly tell me what the odds really are? Can you tell me whether there are 5 earth like planets within 10 light years or 0? Can you say with complete certainty that there are intelligent races are uncommon or do not exist? Can you tell me with 100% certainty that scientists know about anything having to do with life elsewhere? Can you tell me with 100% certainty that we haven't been found? Can you tell me with 100% certainty that life cannot come to be under different conditions?

No you can't. You can't answer any of these questions and if you did it would be impossible to have anything to back it up except for an equation where the variables are unknown. You my friend are speculating.

I think you answered your ownself with the redic you spilled here. for example you wrote """No you can't. You can't answer any of these questions and if you did it would be impossible to have anything to back it up except for an equation where the variables are unknown. You my friend are speculating."""

And what can you or any believers do to back up your claims, nothing compared to what I can, knowing the odds and the common logical order saids "NO"

Ok, when you can answer every single one of my questions with certainty and evidence then I may just respond to your laughable response. You are an advanced monkey and all of a sudden you think you know everything. Go ahead, I want you to quote them, answer them and supply evidence to support your claims. Stating your opinion does no good.

You made a thread to prove that these are the "real" UFOs. That is no more an outrageous claim than anyone else claiming they saw a UFO. So after you answer my questions with 100% backup (you need evidence) I want you to justify this thread with reasons why you believe that these particular vehicles account for 100% of all UFO cases.

I bet you don't. I bet I get another ridicule response, because that seems to be the only response you have in your arsenal.

Cmon, you seem to know everything!

Edit: Oh yeah and don't forget to site sources to your undeniable human scientific research!

[edit on 20-8-2009 by DaMod]

I am not going to reply to your immature, name calling and sarcasm, do you understand that, "ignored" anyways moving on!

I fully believe that 99.9% of all ufo sightings are made from people seeing top secret military aircraft and in some cases maybe not even military, I have seen this happen with my friends and family. I do believe the aurora is a real jet, and is the main source for ufo sightings. I will state this again for all of you to know, I do not believe that alien beings using a disk shape saucer to zoom across the galaxies is coming here, I do believe that there is a small chance that intelligent beings are walking and talking on some other planet, I do believe that there is a lot of life out in space, billions of other life maybe, but I do not believe that all the living beings out there have evolved.
Science has taught us a lot, and also has taught us that life is not unigue, but what is unigue is "us" and the fact that we are intellegent as we are. Being able to think, compose and learn is a very special thing. Having the ability to communicate with each other is another unique thing about us!

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so its the aurora? gosh that explains my sighting. Is the Aurora silent and capable of stopping mid air, moving left to right, right to left? Can you explain these videos below away as being military craft?? I would strongly suggest looking into this subject before stating that 99.9 percent of UFO's are from military or government. I feel there are many from the government and other establishments, but I am a firm believer that there is an ET presence visiting our planet.

I dont know if you've seen these videos, but they are on two different occasions and there are clearly some kind of entitys that look very similar to what we may call "Greys"





*Enhanced Pictures of the "entitys" and craft


Sorry, but there is no way in hell you are going to convince me that the Aurora or some other miilitary craft is responsible for all of the ufo sightings.
[edit on 20-8-2009 by ziggyproductions05]

[edit on 20-8-2009 by ziggyproductions05]

Yup XIM didn't think so. Move along folks nothing to see here. Just another guy with another claim he can't back up. Cmon man give us some sources! An article? A study? Perhaps proof that we are alone in the universe?

Oh yeah and grow some rocks and answer my questions.

Don't be a coward!!

P.S. If you want to debunk every claim ever made you gotta do better than that.

[edit on 20-8-2009 by DaMod]

Originally posted by Mr_XIM
Here is what I beleieve to be the real ufo's and what most people report as ufo's, this video shows some top secret jets

Yeah, that's right, top secret jets that fly right next to planes where everybody can see them, or right over peoples heads, flashing lights at them to make sure they see it.

Very stealthy

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Instead of answering these very simple questions,

"Can you honestly tell me what the odds really are? Can you tell me whether there are 5 earth like planets within 10 light years or 0? Can you say with complete certainty that there are intelligent races are uncommon or do not exist? Can you tell me with 100% certainty that scientists know about anything having to do with life elsewhere? Can you tell me with 100% certainty that we haven't been found? Can you tell me with 100% certainty that life cannot come to be under different conditions?"

he puts me on ignore. I don't think he is worth our time.

Try to understand that I wasn't trying to prove something "unlike you", I was merely stating my opinion here at what I believe to be "the real ufo's". hint the title, I dont need to be called names and told to "grow some" to get my thoughts or opinions across. Thats the problem with most of you "believers" someone saids something that you don;t like or comes up with a theory that goes aagainst what you believe and you want to cry and call names. Well I am so sorry that you believe in little green men that zoom around galaxies and visit us daily, I really feel for ya, and can understand why you need this to be true, bad news "it's not", I have posted what I believe is a reasonable explanation of some, and I said some sightings. and you wanna call names and act like your 12 over it. Well keep crying, after all that is what some children do when they realize santa claus isn't real either!

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Maybe he will finally think outside of his box. Sometimes people just need to really see some evidence or something themselves. I just have trouble believing someone would come to the ATS UFO/Alien forum and expect to tell us we are seeing the Aurora, and that no UFO/ET presence exists on our planet, and not expect a different opinon, then block the different opinion! I really want to know what he thinks about my post above. Can you elaborate anymore on your theories Mr. Xim?

Originally posted by Mr_XIM
I really feel for ya, and can understand why you need this to be true, bad news "it's not"

Proof please.

Originally posted by Mr_XIM
I have posted what I believe is a reasonable explanation of some, and I said some sightings.

That isn't what you said at all. Look. See?

Originally posted by Mr_XIM
Here is what I beleieve to be the real ufo's and what most people report as ufo's, this video shows some top secret jets including the aurora, a very top secret jet and one that most experts say is what most people report as a ufo!
fully believe that 99.9% of all ufo sightings are made from people seeing top secret military aircraft

Which is completely untrue.

It's also completely ridiculous because 'top secret jets' do not fly by planes or come fitted with tons of flashing lights. That in itself is a stupid suggestion, whatever you believe.

[edit on 20-8-2009 by Clickfoot]