A proposal to take our country back the same way it was taken from us!!! That means keeping the memb

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Hello Everyone:

I’ve noticed the growing trend of America waking up. I hope we’ve all learned a lesson and realized the moment we stop governing the government, there are people eager to take full advantage of it. I've been watching for & hoping someone else would post my idea below but I searched for it and found nothing. My idea is simple though the process may not be. To start this “peaceful revolution” off I strongly believe we should begin with:

Plan A) Implementing a form of a 2-yr “vote of confidence” plan to the Presidential office term. (I believe there's another country who does this? Canada?)
Plan B) Or, flat out shorten the President’s term of office to 2-yrs.
Plan C) Implement a similar form of one of the above for the House & Senate.
Plan D) Not allow any members of the above government positions to hold stock in any of the military/industrial corporations. The same thing would apply to companies directly involved or dependent upon the government for any means of success and profitability. Text and can easily be manipulated by members of government, and one would be surprised at how much of this is going on!!

I believe it’s safe to say Obama’s gone as soon as we can get him out. We just need to watch the damage control he does until that time comes. The career House & Senate members should each be scrutinized as to their productivity versus their taking a free ride until retirement. Government is not like football people, you don’t pull for the same person every year just because they’re your “favorite team.” You are actually supposed to pull for the team with the best record last year, whether you like them or not. Obviously, there's a lot more to this than what I've written. But it's a start......

We need some form of professional organization, with a voluntary lawyer with a civil rights/constitutional background covering every geographical area in the U.S. They could tell us how to go about accomplishing the goals here and offer much needed guidance.Text
Peace Everyone,
CBS

reply to post by CBS01


I obviously made a couple of errors in submitting my last post-here's the correct title:

A proposal/idea to take our country back the same way it was taken from us!!! That means keeping the members of Government insecure, on their toes, while reminding them who they work for!!!

reply to post by CBS01


And it was supposed to end like this before I screwed up.......




Everyone, please let me know any thoughts or suggestions you may have on this idea, whether it be positive or negative or a simple comment. USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
Peace Everyone,
CBS

You can edit your own posts, by clicking the little "edit" button in the upper right-hand corner.

We have a four year presidential term because it's virtually impossible to accomplish anything in two years. POTUS is on the job training, and it's a very difficult job. If terms are limited to two years, the guy's out before he's even figured out what he's supposed to be doing. Not a good idea.

Obama's popularity has dropped, of course, but he's still got more supporters than detractors. Not a *whole* lot more, but he wouldn't necessarily be voted out of office. Moreover, he has inherited someone else's troubles, and hasn't managed in six months to undo the damage done over the past eight years. Imagine that. I think much of his loss of popularity is a result of people being understandably impatient with the way things are, and Obama's inability to work miracles.

You're right about making politicians earn their votes, though. There should be no lobbying of any sort permitted, no gifts, no gratuities, honoraria, fees, or anything like that for any public official. No stocks in any corporation. Maybe put the stocks into a trust or something, letting someone else manage them without any interference until the guy's out of office.

But what of after-office sweetheart deals? Guys rape the country for some corporation. A year or two after the guys leave office, the corporation hires them to cushy, non-working jobs with generous incomes. So - maybe no such deal for, say, 5 years after leaving office?

Corruption has been around since Roman times, no doubt before that. I don't know how we could really get rid of it

Not to mention a FIRM DOLLAR LIMIT for campaigning. Spend a few bucks, say what you gotta say and STFU. Especially since we would be having the shorter terms, can't be campaigning your entire term in office, incumbents.

The recall option sounds better to me than the shorter term though, elections are expensive.

I always figured that congressman and senators who put forward there name for president should have to give up there seat to do so. They shouldn't be holding onto it as a fall back option and obviously they are not doing the job elected too if they are out campaigning.

You have some good ideas. Lately I've been thinking along the same lines of government reform. Here's a few ideas I have to add.

1. Absolutely get rid of professional lobbyists.
2. Campaign contributions should only come from the private citizens they would serve in their district if elected.
3. Politicians should be able to be recalled easily by private citizens.
4. Politicians should only be able to serve two terms period.
5. Take away their private insurance and pensions and force them to live in the real world they created for the sheep.
6. They shouldn't be allowed to have so many assistants who sheild them from serving the public.
7. They should be made to read any bill that comes up for vote, and prove they read it.

I have to tell you that when I saw the title of your post I thought you were a Native American and you were going to discuss how to take your country back from the Europeans who stole it from you.

I say we get rid of Presidential Elections all together. We only have congressional and senate elections. Then every four years the citizens of the United States of America elect a president out of the Senate and a Vice President out of Congress. Just think of it for a second. During the four years the people can watch and see which politicians are doing the best job's for these 2 very high positions of our country. It gets rid of a whole slew of B.S. in the process. When you run for either congress or the senate, you know you could be elected to be president or vice president whether you like it or not you serve! Just my thoughts

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Chiron:
You're correct about many things and thanks for the "editing" tip. I don't post enough to have learned all the inner workings here yet. One thing I would like to say is although you're correct about seeing results in a 2yr period, you can still get a pretty good assessment of the direction he's headed. And clearly in my opinion, Obama is not going in the direction America should be headed. Thanks for your input though and I respect it.
Peace,
CBS

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hotrod:
I lean more to the "recall" option myself as I believe most President's come into office with good intentions and then get distracted with the money, power, and everything else that comes with all the power. Keep 'em on their toes so much they don't have time for anything else and that may change.
Peace,
CBS

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Exile:
Dam good point, I haven't thought about that yet but you're right on the money!!
Peace,
CBS

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Hardamber:
I like you're train of thought!! Sounds like we're on the same page of the same book!!!
Peace,
CBS

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KJBURTO:
Thanks for your input, that's why I posted this topic. I wanted to see alternative ideas that I haven't thought of and yours is a very original and realistic idea! And, it could work!
Peace,
CBS

IMO a lot of people have an unrealistic idea of the jobs of Congresspeople and presidents.

Democracy is a messy business, although it's a hell of a lot better than whatever is in second place.

Presidents and Congressmen don't rule by royal decree. They often have good intentions but the reality is they have to work with many, many different people and groups-- other Congressmen, constituents and/or the people who elect them, corporations, businesses large and small, unions, the military-industrial complex, etc.etc.-- and they have to make many compromises to get even a fraction of what they would like accomplished.

Obama has done an amazing amount of work, but seven months isn't enough time to even begin what he needs to accomplish, much less enough time to pass judgment on his whole administration yet. It will take at least four years to bring his best ideas to any form of fruition.

Some people just hate liberals in general and so can't wait to get him out as soon as possible. But I don't think the American people are ready for a revolution--peaceful or otherwise--just yet. That's just wishful thinking.

[edit on 19-8-2009 by Sestias]

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Much of that isn't necessary or even desirable, IMO. The system for electing and governance of the President is effective enough. Shorten the terms and I think it would turn into a perpetual campaign.

If anything, I'd make three changes to the way we elect our presidents, senators and congressmen.

1) Institute term limits, with only one term for everyone. In this manner, there's no need for political paybacks to special interests once the politician is elected. He doesn't have to worry about re-election. In return, consider expanding the term of Presidents to five or six years and Representatives to three or four. Six years is plenty in the Senate.

2) Repeal the 17th amendment and return the power to elect Senators back to the state legislatures and give them the ability to recall their Senators at any time by a 2/3 vote in that state legislature. This would return some degree of power back to the states where it belongs by giving the legislatures a direct say in the governance of the country as a whole. This was the way it was done for the first 120 years of our nation's existence.

3) Finally, all Federal level elections should be publicly financed. Candidates would get a set amount of money for each state they were on the ballot (and all states count equally) and would be barred from raising additional funds or spending their own money.

There would also need to be a system for containing spending by special interests, but this one is more difficult due to their rights under the 1st amendment and at this time, I'm not really sure what to do with them.

[edit on 20-8-2009 by vor78]

Originally posted by wayouttheredude
I have to tell you that when I saw the title of your post I thought you were a Native American and you were going to discuss how to take your country back from the Europeans who stole it from you.

That's exactly what I thought.

reply to post by vor78


vor78:
You have several good ideas I believe. That's why I made this post, because I don't have a good grasp on politics and have only began to take it seriously in the last few years. I truly appreciate your feedback.
Peace,
CBS

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Chewlip, sorry for the inconvenience and not being specific enough.
Peace,
CBS

I challenge CuriousSkeptic
CS:
Will you stand up & fight? Will you join in and help gather the troops?

We may not all make it to the 2010 elections. If the rapture comes I’ll be gone and there will be fewer people to vote. If DC goes, there may not be elections or maybe a special election.

An election is not that hard to win. You just need to get a lot of people out to vote for you. 36 elections are out there. Win 20 and you get 1/5 of the Senate.

The platform:
Lets’ go all out. The Bill Of Rights & the Constitution may do it (maybe not a few amendents - 17?).
Get rid of the debt, 10% tax rate, 2 terms max for everyone, …

Find 2 people per state. One person is for 2010, the other person is for 2012 (or the special election if DC goes).

A website needs to be built to cover all 36 elections. A Pay Pal link & Credit card link is there for contributions. An address need to be there for mail-ins. A notice on the website needs to state that whenever you are questioned on who you are voting for “name someone else”.

Non-aligned & unaligned websites would add for us for free. E-mail chains and radio spots can get the word out.

Tough races
Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisiana,
Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio

Easy for Dems
Arkansas, California, Delaware, Hawaii, Indiana, Maryland,
New York, New York (note both seats are up for grabs), North Dakota, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Vermont,
Washington, Wisconsin

Easy for Reps
Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Oklahoma,
South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah

36 people are needed for 2010. 33 people are needed for 2012. I think a businessman or woman with an engineering degree would make a great president or Senator. They could do process charts and with a business background know where to cut. Just control the Senate and you have leverage. With people being angry it could work. Not another party - just elect non-polititions for two terms.
Who could we push (new) and how to get them to accept. Anyone want to start a conspiracy instead of talking about others? It would not be that hard to win 20 races and have 1/5 of the Senate.