To end Bible prophecy confusion/Understand when the tribulation will start...

I have been reading a thread on here and I was blown away by the misunderstanding of Bible prophecy. I hope these videos shed some light on this for some people who seem to be so confused. I have been studying the Bible on end time prophecies for about a year now. I have learned so much. I have learned that the secular calendar is a complete perverted distorted twist of time by man. Once you understand the original calendar laid out by God can you truly understand Biblical prophecy. This perversion has caused many to not believe what is in the Bible because our calendar does not match Gods and in our minds Biblical prophecy is off thus untrue. This video is one of the best at simplifying the calendar and end time line that I have ever seen. If you are interested in under standing Biblical prophecy these videos are a must see. Now keep in mind I am not sure everything this man on the video says is 100% accurate, however the bones of information are very accurate and very easy to understand. The timeline is correct anyway you cut it or dice it. After much research and many hours of studying and reading I cannot find a hole in his timeline at all. It is solid in every direction, anyway you look at it, if you understand the original calendar. There are 12 total but I only listed 11. Watching all 12 is a good idea if you are interested in understanding when the tribulation will start.

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I'll make sure to check out those videos, but for now dont forget that the Bilble says that no man shall know the hour... so the best way to make yourself a false prophet is to predict the endtimes. Many have already done so.

Originally posted by Nyrossius Maxim
I'll make sure to check out those videos, but for now dont forget that the Bilble says that no man shall know the hour... so the best way to make yourself a false prophet is to predict the endtimes. Many have already done so.

I agree with you but not exactly; Mathew ch. 24 vs. 35-36 states:

35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

It does not say the end times day and hour will not be known it says the day heaven and earth shall pass away. Also it says the day and hour not the year or month. Also the tribulation, the end of time and Jesus's return are sperate events. Many people try to lump them all together.

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Also Mathew 25:13 states:
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Again this is a seperate event than the tribulation. I am only verifying the tribulation period as being accurate I do not believe we can know the day or hour of the end of the world or the second comming of Jesus. We will have signs but we will not know exactly.

Thank you for posting this. I just finished reading all 12 parts.

That sure falls in with all the 2012 end of the Mayan calendar.

The information was very interesting and I am going to look deeper into this prediction.

Shalom

Seems like alot of people are stuck on the metaphor.............

I would suggest you look up a seires called "The Power of Myth".

I am of the belief that the no man knows thing is referring to the Feast of Trumpets.

Good stuff there honey bee

I just watched the videos . . .

my mind is blown.

Wow

Why do you continue to read these threads if you do not believe? For example I do not beieve in "aliens" therefore I do not read those types of threads. Unless you are searching for answers because deep down you are hollow and need to be enlightened there is no reason for your participation in things you do not understand or believe in. Why don't you stick to the threads that you can ad constructive insight to and leave the threads alone that you do not understand. Thank you, we would all apreciate it...

Originally posted by Melissa101
Why do you continue to read these threads if you do not believe? For example I do not beieve in "aliens" therefore I do not read those types of threads. Unless you are searching for answers because deep down you are hollow and need to be enlightened there is no reason for your participation in things you do not understand or believe in.

The words of Jesus are not something that requires belief, they are good words, wise words. Why should those who are interested in reading about his words not want to read your thread, why should those who disagree with your interpretation be excluded, are you so weak in your beliefs that you cannot stand to have them questioned? Jesus was not a partisan, and always welcomed those who were most opposed to him to feast at his table, do you not seek to live like Jesus? Most importantly though, Jesus didn't believe in anything, Jesus knew.

Luke 8:4-15 (Mark 4:3-9; Matthew 13:3-9)
4 And when a great crowd came together and people from town after town came to him, he said in a parable: 5 "A sower went out to sow his seed; and as he sowed, some fell along the path, and was trodden under foot, and the birds of the air devoured it. 6 And some fell on the rock; and as it grew up, it withered away, because it had no moisture. 7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns grew with it and choked it. 8 And some fell into good soil and grew, and yielded a hundredfold." As he said this, he called out, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear." 9 And when his disciples asked him what this parable meant, 10 he said, "To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God; but for others they are in parables, so that seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand. 11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 The ones along the path are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, that they may not believe and be saved. 13 And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy; but these have no root, they believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. 14 And as for what fell among the thorns, they are those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by the cares and riches and pleasures of life, and their fruit does not mature.

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Those movies are a good start,
but they are only a start.

The calender of God is made for what shines.
The beginning of the year changed,
because it will change again .

You need to understand the symbols
to understand the timeline.

What is the moon ?
What is the sun ?
What are the stars ?

Then you will know how the calender really works.

It was just a shadow of the things to come.
Jesus did not fullfill all offers.
Jesus was himself after glorification One, but also a shadow of the things
to come now, even when he was before.

The son of man is not the person jesus,
it is all the prophets together, who were declared righteouss = glorification
they were taken up symbolically, to wait outside time, = without time.
jesus was one of the two spies
that returned form the promised land,
or from the father, to return the rest to the land.
Noahs dove same pattern... elijah, elisha, same pattern.
David solomon same pattern.
Jesus was first back, not after crucification, which was
to teach us, but after glorification.
You think a god as one can not have more then one face ?

God is where God has its dwelling, because he is one,
so jesus returned from the promised land.
The other prophets were taken as dead in christ (god)
until time is full, but they are the son of man.

Jesus was one, so one level of the son of man returned allready.
Read my mails if u want to understand so you can be prepared.
The angels of the endtimes are just normal people who become sons,
they are the moon.


Jonathan.

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So there's no confusion, here's how the end-time time table is set.

Pre-tribulation- where we are right now. Within the timeline of the 4 horsemen and 5th seal of revelation.

Tribulation- 7 years in total but no one would probably know if we are in it during the first half of the tribulation. The final 3 1/2 years are the years that all the destruction and genocide caused by the anti-christ come. The final year of tribulation is the "Day of the Lord" in which He pours out His wrath on those who recieved the "mark" of the beast.... while faithful christians are in a place of safety in the wilderness, some christians will be martyred in the name of God.

Return of Christ- this is announced at the 7th trumpet of the 7th seal of revelation. At this time the final 7 bowl plagues will destroy the remaining refuse of the world. After this Jesus returns while resurrecting those dead in Christ and rapturing those who are alive in Christ. They escort Him to earth to prepare for the battle of Armageddon. When He and His saints win the battle, the kingdoms of earth will become the kingdoms of God and of His Christ. The beast and false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire and die while Satan and his thugs are thrown into a place of confinement for 1000 years.

Peace on Earth- When Jesus takes the role of World Leader, His saints will act as other government officials. Kings, governors, mayors, priests, etc. This happens because there are those who survived the tribulation still living when Jesus returns. Those who survive will get the great gift of living in a world of peace since the direct cause of sin is jailed for 1000 years and is unable to persuade the masses. This 1000 year period is basically an "age of enlightenment and truth".

After the 1000 year peace on earth, Satan and his thugs are released for a short time to try and persuade the masses to war against Christ. When he fails miserably, Christ throws him into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet were previously thrown. After Satan is eliminated, the 2nd resurrection occurs which is known as the "White Throne Judgement". This 100 year period is a learning period in which "books (greek word 'biblia') are opened". These books are the books that comprise the Holy Bible. Those who do not accept the words written in these books will not have their name written in the book of life. Those who learn and accept what is being taught will be given eternal life and become of the family of God. Those who refuse will be cast into the lake of fire known in the bible as the "Second Death." Not eternal torment!!!

New Heaven and New Earth- When the 100 year judgement is complete, a new heaven and new earth are created and the New Jerusalem falls to earth creating Heaven on Earth.... or Paradise on earth. It's a planetary "Garden of Eden" with rivers of life and trees of life. Lions will lay with the lambs, babys will play at the viper's pit, and children will play with the serpent. It is an everlasting time of peace and happiness. No violence, no tears, no hate, no immorality, no evil whatsoever. This is the ultimate goal for Christains and many others out there.

I feel that the tribulation is growing ever-closer with the talks of global currency and the demise fo western nations unravelling in front of our eyes. The European Union set to become the world superpower when America falls, thus makeing it the 7th revival of the Roman Empire and taking it's rightful place as "Beast of Revelation" and teh Roman Catholic Church taking it's role as the "Harlot" riding the Beast. As an earlier poster said, 2012 may very well fit in with the start of Tribulation. You never know. We are suppose to pass the median plane of the Milky Way that year and it is proposed that the poles will shift or something like that. This would cause earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, solar flares (fire raining down with brimstone?) and crazy celestial activities like solar and lunar eclipses (sun darkened and moon turned to blood). The next few years will be very interesting.

If anyone would like to learn more about my "Biblically sound prophecy interpretations" just ask or U2U me. Also, you can visit some of my other prophecy threads listed below.


The Truth About "Thief in the night" and the Great Harlot of Revelation
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The Destruction of U.S. Cities due to Natural Disasters.... Is it a Link to Prophecy?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The Spychip Threat: Mark of the Beast Scenario?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Joseph's Birthright: Great Britain and the U.S.A.
www.belowtopsecret.com...

The Olivet Prophecy Mirrors the 7 Seals of Revelation
www.belowtopsecret.com...

The Seven Revivals of the Holy Roman Empire: Middle Ages, Nazism, and the EU (extremely long OP, but well worth the read).
www.belowtopsecret.com...

Please take time to visit any one of these prophecy threads. They go into more detail about what happens in certain points of the end time prophecies. God bless you all on your journey.

Originally posted by Locoman8


Tribulation- 7 years in total but no one would probably know if we are in it during the first half of the tribulation.

They would know if they read their scriptures.. The first 3 1/2 years, or first half of the tribulation if you will, begins the instant the antichrist signs a 7 year peace deal with Israel. The "Great" tribulation, or the last 3 1/2 years begins EXACTLY 1260 days after the 7 year peace deal is signed.

So again, I DO NOT agreee that people won't know they are in the first half of the tribulation, I will know the very second I hear or read that Israel has signed a 7 year peace deal with Her enemies.

That is what christian churches read in the scriptures.
delusion was promised,
not reading the symbols, nor the dates, nor the actors
in the bible, you all fill in the same thing.

expecting an antichrist, and that is what you will get,
even when he is not it.

jerusalem is a symbol for the believers.



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Pre-tribulation- where we are right now. Within the timeline of the 4 horsemen

I agree with that.

But this seven years that people keep going on about, is most likely wrong. Seven is a very symbolic number, so it is highly likely that it is not literal, which throws out many idea's on the length of time of the Great Tribulation.

Israel may indeed sign a peace deal, but that's not starting any Tribulation, but it would be contributing to another prophesy that tells us the Tribulation is ultra super close.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-3

"1But as to the suitable times and the precise seasons and dates, brethren, you have no necessity for anything being written to you. 2For you yourselves know perfectly well that the day of the [return of the] Lord will come [as unexpectedly and suddenly] as a thief in the night. 3When people are saying, All is well and secure, and, There is peace and safety, then in a moment unforeseen destruction (ruin and death) will come upon them as suddenly as labor pains come upon a woman with child; and they shall by no means escape, for there will be no escape."

And people must understand this is highly tied to the UN as well.
It's interesting that this month Obama himself is taking the the chairmanship of the rotating UN security council. That has never been done before.
We are living in most interesting times, and things are progressing towards the Great Tribulation.
All these christian conservatives are protesting and not liking it, showing they don't have a clue about bible prophesy, we want this to happen, that way Satan's evil system will end faster, when God sends Jesus to put an end to it all.

I have the exact opposite reaction to all these protesters, I feel good hurry up. Jesus is going to rip the NWO from TBTB to their utter shock and amazement, and bring about his own 1000 year reign, as God told him to do.

Originally posted by pasttheclouds

That is what christian churches read in the scriptures.
delusion was promised,
not reading the symbols, nor the dates, nor the actors
in the bible, you all fill in the same thing.

expecting an antichrist, and that is what you will get,
even when he is not it.

jerusalem is a symbol for the believers.



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U said "an" antichrist. Anyone against Christ is "an" antichrist. We are discussing "THE" antichrist.

BIIG difference.

Secondly, the "big delusion" in the last days u speak of is sent by God to those who willingly ACCEPT the mark of the beast and submit themselves to him in spirit, word, and deed.

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The harlot are all religions that rape their truths.
The Quran is no different from message then the Gospel or Torah,
they all state your God is One. Love God. He is all.

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He knows himself to be Truth, another name for Christ.
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he will be there for all those that search TRUTH, even before they see it,
and do CARE, that is acting from his name of One. One Truth as One.

The plan was set before this world was born,
fight it in understanding (=forgiveness) and conquer.

The seal of the beast is ignorance.
It will be acted out by protection of the self,
offering up care.
That is the antichrist.

The UN, Europe, Israel , they are all groups of people,
mixed by caring and not caring persons,
that all try to protect theirselves and their interests,
some see only theirselves, some see all as part of them,
and that makes them humans, copies of ourselves.

The NWO is not that organised and as dark as people think.
God is in control. Life is in control. Truth is in control.
They are people. People with obsessions and people with fears.
Reacting from that gives insanity until you see those fears instead of ignore it.
As all people are, our organisations are. They act the same.
Evil is something hidden inside, it is ignoring to safeguard false peace or false
securities. Relgions will try to secure their salvation and fight the ones
who are allready free from judging others.
Ignorance is the devil.


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Yes. I think the more important part of the timeline is the final 3 1/2 years in which the "Abomination of Desolation" takes place. The antichrist lets himself known by declaring himself to be greater than God. In this time period we should look out for the two witnesses also. I fear revolution or civil war in America because like so many, I feel our government should be replaced by THE PEOPLE.

Here my problem with the whole 2012 end of times thing. Like brought up before no one knows the timing of Jesus coming. Not only that in revelations and in the gospels it teaches that when Jesus comes NO ONE will expect Jesus to come. For Jesus to come in the next two years he have to see the seven scroll unleashed. Now I know some of them been open. But I don't we're anywhere near a NWO. I personal know have study the 2012 predictions. Edgar Cayce and nastradamus and the Mayans. And I do believe that they have some creditability. But first of all Nostradamus has been wrong about his predictions. And the Mayans are a old ancient culture you cant get everything right. I believe that in 2012 will be the beginning of the tribulations and I believe 2012 will be a time where the worst of the beginning happens.

it starts this month.
and the one they will think is the false prophet, will be elijah.

there is no 'antichrist' as one devil possesed person,
that's misinterpreation of the christian church

and islam expects also an antichrist,
which is also interpretation

they will together declare the glorified elijah
as false prophet and will declare the 'sons' as part of antichrist,
when they are the new jerusalem and the moon.
they are the son of man. they will be protected in their
struggle to come home, that's the wilderness.

glorification is a symbol of being one with god, the sun,
where jesus came from (the promised land, where all is one)
and were all people who did their best in life,
will become one once as the full son of man.

i said enough.


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