I Sympathize with the NWO

I'm beginning to sympathize with the NWO and their supposed agenda. I'll give a brief idea of why and then i look forward to plenty of debate. i think the best way for me to really see if an ideology is something i hold or not is to put it under mass scrutiny.

and, no, i'm not some agent pushing propaganda. though, from what i've seen on other people's threads, if you decide to believe that i am there's not a whole hell of a lot i can say to convince you otherwise...so i'll ignore these claims.

i'm going to base this on the georgea guidestones, as many seem to believe that this outlines the nwo mentality.

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

people cry about this because it hints to the possibility, even necessity, of exterminating roughly 9/10ths of the world's current population. in my opinion, humans are ruining the planet with a frightening speed, a speed which accelerates as population increases. it's sad, but very true that if a boat is sinking because a swarm of drowning people are trying to climb in, at some point you're going to have to leave behind the vast majority of them, otherwise you'll end up with 0/10ths of a population left.

of course, this begs the question, who gets to decide who lives and who dies?
well, in the case of the boat you'd begin with the weak ones, the sickly ones that probably aren't going to survive anyways. on a global social scale you pick off the ones that contribute nothing to society. the dead-weight of the world. unfortunately, i fall in this category being that i'm a drunk bum firmly set in the very bottom of lower-class america. but this isn't about my emotions on the outcome, it's an appeal to reason. i'm not ignorant enough to assume that adding an extra few minutes, even years to my life, is more important than humanity, as a whole, continuing.

2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.

yeah, personally i'm quite tired of seeing our gene pool watered down. cruel as it may be, i firmly believe that mentally handicapped persons should be sterilized. and what about people with life-threatening genetic disorders? does it really show a loving sense of humanity to bring a child into the world only to suffer a lifetime of a debilitating illness?

improve fitness... sounds good as well. promote a healthy humanity (any one that lives in the southern midwest, like i do, can easily see how self-inflicted health problems [e.g. obesity] are a serious problem.)

...and diversity. variety is the spice of life, after all.

3. Unite humanity with a living new language.

wouldn't it be great to go anywhere on the planet and communicate, through a common language, with anyone you meet?

4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.

this is something i constantly tell people anyway. don't let your passion or emotion rule your logic, let your logic rule your passion or emotion. faith and tradition easily fall under the headings of passion or emotion as an adherence to these things is based almost exclusively upon an absence of logic. it's great to see the beauty in faith or tradition or what have you...but if these things grow to rule your logic, then your growth is very definitely limited.

i predict that i'll get about 30 replies to this alone that are meant to be arguments when, in fact, they only serve to further prove my point.

5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.

personally, i quite enjoy fair and just things.




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6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.

as long as it sticks to #5 and keeps the world court just and fair, i don't see a problem here. at worst, we'd have the end of war.

7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.

amen!

8. Balance personal rights with social duties.

in today's world, i cringe at the thought of "social duties." but, were we to live in a resource-based economy, rather than the industrial complex that we live in today, people would be completely free to study whatever tickles their fancy. people would be free to pursue whatever bits of leisure that they enjoyed. of course, someone has to take out the trash.
it's like staying in a hostel, if any of you know what i'm talking about. in a hostel, people are able to stay some place...basically any city in the world for a very small fee. i know of hostels in new york city, from the time i spent there that were 10-15 dollars a day for a nice location and a pretty safe environment. that's versus the 100 dollar a night crack-head motels from which it's not safe to leave after sunset. i've stayed in those too, if you're wondering.
anyway, in exchange for staying in the great place for hardly any money at all, you're assigned a daily chore. it might be sweeping and mopping or taking out the trash. nothing too difficult.

i don't see anything wrong with that. my current horror at social duty is due to the idea of supporting a social structure that i currently find absolutely disgusting. i have absolutely no problem in social duty for a society that is described in the georgia guidestones.

9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.

a lot of people think that this refers to a new common religion. i completely disagree. i think the reason that the author chose the term "infinite" rather than "god" or something of that nature completely attests to this.

mankind is full of poetic notions from men in relation to the infinite, the soul, the spirit, etc. that come from entirely irreligious standpoints. case-in-point einstein (before you throw the "god doesn't play dice" statement do some research and you'll find that this is actually proof of my point, as he was a self-professed atheist. try googling the key words 'einstein' and 'atheist').

10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.

how can you not see truth in this?

how can you not see truth in this?

how can you not see truth in this?

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Ok. I can sympathize with the problems the NWO is having with the human race.
Hearding cats, hearding people, both a real pain.
My brother went into psycology to try and figure out our mom. He would almost get her into that square hole & blam. She would do something at a tangent and there goes the whole game.
If people would stop trying to hold people down there is no limit to the wonders (and tragidies) that could unfold.

I dont know. it sounds like something Hitler tried to push back in his day. I think they call it eugenics. I find it all rather sinister myself.

Sorry man, but I didn't read your posts, because honestly... in my opinion... if you "sympathize" with the New World Order then you're a tool...

I stand for liberty and freedom. What do you stand for?

Sounds like some sort of Stockholm syndrome...course i don't believe there is an NWO in the traditional conspiracy theory sense anyway.

Originally posted by Solomons
Sounds like some sort of Stockholm syndrome...course i don't believe there is an NWO in the traditional conspiracy theory sense anyway.

reply to post by Nathan_Orin


Since you agree with this:

Mainatin Humanity:

people cry about this because it hints to the possibility, even necessity, of exterminating roughly 9/10ths of the world's current population. in my opinion, humans are ruining the planet with a frightening speed, a speed which accelerates as population increases. it's sad, but very true that if a boat is sinking because a swarm of drowning people are trying to climb in, at some point you're going to have to leave behind the vast majority of them, otherwise you'll end up with 0/10ths of a population left.

You first .

Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.

yeah, personally i'm quite tired of seeing our gene pool watered down. cruel as it may be, i firmly believe that mentally handicapped persons should be sterilized. and what about people with life-threatening genetic disorders? does it really show a loving sense of humanity to bring a child into the world only to suffer a lifetime of a debilitating illness?

Me to, but I believe you are part of the problem. So you can also go first and get "fixed".

Unite humanity with a living new language

I'm about that... as long as its english. I am not going to learn a new friggin language.

Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason

I agree with that, too a point sometimes Faith, Passion and Tradition need to be ahead of logic in some situations

Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts

Yes after we kill them lets protect them..lol.. But I agree with this asertion to a point.

Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court

I accept that

Avoid petty laws and useless officials

What is menat by petty? Stealing? I need clarification on this.

Balance personal rights with social duties

I agree with ya No job is to LESS or Embarassing all work is for teh greater good and the necessity. I hate it when people say that they are ashamed of their job, when they have a Very important job. Much like the janitors for schools, right now they are highly important in protecting against Swine Flu. See my point?

Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite

I think the infinite is the way to Prize Truth, Beauty, and love. Having infinite love through truth which will lead to beauty. Does that make sense..lol..

.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature

Forget nature. If its me or nature, I'm living nature can shove it

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I understood your points, but I think we need to think things through here. A New World Order is NOT BAD, its a great idea. But the people in POWER are the ones that decide what type of NWO its going to be and APPARENTLY, it looks like its going to be an Evil NWO not a good one. I am not for exterminating those less fortunate or those who genes are not good.

Say you have a child who is retarded and they want to kil your child because he may infect the gene pool, when in reality his genes will not affect the gene pool. Like Dawrfism for instance, very rarely do dwarfs have dwarf children, they usually have normal children and very rarely do their children pass on the gene, sometimes the gene just diappears.

So would you kill your child all for a damn gene pool?

I liked your ideas, but i am not sure you thought them through all the way. Also if your for lowering the population, you guys and gals go first so we can follow your examples.

Other than that my friend, I enjoyed it and agreed with some of your points, but not all of them as you saw.

Good thread, Star and Flagged young blood!

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Originally posted by Solomons
Sounds like some sort of Stockholm syndrome...course i don't believe there is an NWO in the traditional conspiracy theory sense anyway.

well, i suppose that if i look at the personalities of my past girlfriends, there's definitely a potential for a stockholm syndrome type of thing going on with me...

but, to be serious, i'm not sure if there is an nwo or not. i'm really just addressing the fact that most of the arguments against it (rather they're moot or validated based on the reality of the subject) don't really add up to me.

whether the thing exists or not, we can definitely benefit through discussion of the beliefs.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
I dont know. it sounds like something Hitler tried to push back in his day. I think they call it eugenics. I find it all rather sinister myself.

The reason why thins like that happen is because people don't have boundary's, more bigger better blablabla then the world lives in its own trash and over population.

I believe that people should be wise about making children and should make less children (max 2) so society becomes full of quality instead of quantity. Less children but more quality time with your spous.

I don't believe in Hitler's ideology don't get me wrong here, i'm saying because Iknow how you would love to spin this making me a fascist murderer.

peace

I'm not really convinced that the people who would decided to kill off the other 9/10ths of the population are worthy to survive on this planet. And even if we do reduce our population by that much, what will keep their offspring in several generations from destroying and overpopulating the planet? They would only have to eventually do it all over again.

Originally posted by Nathan_Orin

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

First off, human beings would be destroying the Earth because of the very people that you are sympathizing with. All of our technology as of today is simply based on the technology that is owned by those who are major proponents of the New World Order.

The very same people that you are sympathizing with are the ones that gave Nikola Tesla such a hard time. The one man who could have freed mankind in unimaginable ways.

If the Earth is being destroyed by our actions, it is because of our monetary system, and the mentality that monetary value instills into us.

This is NWO propaganda.

It would be just like them to create our world as is now, and then blame us for the destruction of it.


Also, there is no reason as to why billions of people must die, that is simply an idea from someone with no imagination. There is still more than enough room for many more human beings on this planet. Our technology can, and will, save us.

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Originally posted by Diplomat
Sorry man, but I didn't read your posts, because honestly... in my opinion... if you "sympathize" with the New World Order then you're a tool...

I stand for liberty and freedom. What do you stand for?

it seems strange to argue with something you haven't read...

in any case, if you had read the post you would know what i stand for and wouldn't need to ask this question

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I totally agree. As humans protect the foolish from consequenes they keep breeding and breeding and causing mankind to devolve. Then we have the NWO trying to save us from each other and they have their hands fuller and fuller as the population becomes dumber and dumber on average. I personally cannot wait until they take over and thin the herd a bit.

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Yeah, because the NWO aren't the ones dumbing us down are they? Bush isn't the one who put through the ridiculous legislation for "No Child left behind" is he? They aren't the one who fluoridate our water for our "teeth" are they? We haven't been completely socialized and indoctrinated by Hollywood drivel have we?

If Americans are stupid it is because of socialization.

Our behavior is shaped by the culture we live in.

Who controls our civilization?

But, you are absolutely correct, our Politicians are working soooooo hard to make us smarter people, and we keep messing it up don't we?

I am sure that fluoridated tap water is suppose to raise my IQ score too, right?

Originally posted by Nathan_Orin

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

people cry about this because it hints to the possibility, even necessity, of exterminating roughly 9/10ths of the world's current population. in my opinion, humans are ruining the planet with a frightening speed, a speed which accelerates as population increases. it's sad, but very true that if a boat is sinking because a swarm of drowning people are trying to climb in, at some point you're going to have to leave behind the vast majority of them, otherwise you'll end up with 0/10ths of a population left.

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Other than admitting that I find this entirely disturbing, I'll only comment on this one item. The idea that the earth is overpopulated is a lie. I forget the exact figures, but from what I've read, you could fit the entiretly of the the current population into Australia each w/ a large enough portion of land to have their own gardens for food.

And that still leaves you with the rest of the world. The plain fact is, the world and its abundance is simply mismanaged. The land is poluted for profit. Its cut down in the name of profits and crops are burned in the name of profits.

People don't starve because there's not enough to go around, they starve because those who are managing world affairs care more about profit then people.

So then, lets retake your example. Lets say you own the boat, and you realize you could save a lot of money by throwing people overboard. For example, you would use less food and water resources and your accountant knows how much you pay for that. Then you have the gas to run that big chugger, who would blame you for wanting to save on gas. Continue on w/ your order of murder as given, and let me know if you can sleep at night agreeing with this.

I'm not sure where you get the list of attribute/causes of the NWO. Certainly population reduction is one. Beyond that the people that cause all the wars, run all the slavery, the drugs, the legal conspiracy, the disease dissemination and clearly and absolutely hate humanity, can never have noble intentions of any kind. The purported noble causes are nothing but propaganda to deceive their own families and get middle men on board like the media. If you think, anything you might uncover about noble intend underlying the NWO is true you should reconsider.

Originally posted by ReelView
I'm not sure where you get the list of attribute/causes of the NWO. Certainly population reduction is one. Beyond that the people that cause all the wars, run all the slavery, the drugs, the legal conspiracy, the disease dissemination and clearly and absolutely hate humanity, can never have noble intentions of any kind. The purported noble causes are nothing but propaganda to deceive their own families and get middle men on board like the media. If you think, anything you might uncover about noble intend underlying the NWO is true you should reconsider.

I think he is getting all of that from the "Georgia Guidestones," which have never been proven to have anything to do with the New World Order.

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If he is available maybe you can ask him to recruit you for the illuminati club

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hey, an actual debate!

You first .

of course i wouldn't be happy about it. i'm just saying, if i see a boat starting to sink i can understand why the crew starts shooting at the crowd that's capsizing it. sucks to be in the crowd, obviously. but i bet it's no picnic being the person with the gun, thinking that if you don't start shooting soon then absolutely no one will survive.

Me to, but I believe you are part of the problem. So you can also go first and get "fixed".

well, it's too late for me now. but, had i been better informed about what kind of world i was bringing my children into, i've no doubt that i'd have made a different choice.


and if the gov't were footing the bill, i promise that i'd be the first to sign up

Faith, Passion and Tradition need to be ahead of logic in some situations

I completely disagree, but i think this is one of those times where it's just opinion versus opinion, so i don't see any point in reiterating the same point i already made. agree to disagree?

Yes after we kill them lets protect them..lol.. But I agree with this asertion to a point.

we only killed what was necessary. i'm, mainly, asserting the point that perhaps these people really believe that they're making an attempt to save 'humanity' as a whole, and can sympathize with all the crap that goes along with that...including having to tell someone that you've got room for him on your boat, but all those people behind you will have to stay.

What is menat by petty? Stealing? I need clarification on this.

yeah, that's why i began the post saying that i'm starting to sympathize with the nwo. some of this is entirely subjective, and unless you're on the inside, there's no way to completely know what's going on. i would reserve final judgement until i had a chance to sit in at a bilderberg meeting and decide for myself what is really going on. there are a lot of questions like the one you posed here that are impossible to answer from our side of things.

Forget nature. If its me or nature, I'm living nature can shove it

heh, well it might be a bit difficult to live without nature...
you might need food...water...and atmosphere...etc.

APPARENTLY, it looks like its going to be an Evil NWO not a good one. I am not for exterminating those less fortunate or those who genes are not good.

Say you have a child who is retarded and they want to kil your child because he may infect the gene pool, when in reality his genes will not affect the gene pool. Like Dawrfism for instance, very rarely do dwarfs have dwarf children, they usually have normal children and very rarely do their children pass on the gene, sometimes the gene just diappears.

i'm just not convinced that they are evil. from the perspective of a drowning man, all those people on the boat were the incarnate of satan himself. but if you look at it logically (which is, admittingly, a bit difficult to do when you're the one drowning) it may not be so.
if, for some reason, you had to choose the five million that would survive, knowing that if you didn't do so, humanity would be doomed, what would you do? i suppose a lot of people would just through their hands into the air and give up...i think i'd start finding the best genes in the world so that the humanity that was left was the best possible.

dwarfs are only deficient in height. they can still have potentially brilliant minds. i have two children, very healthy children. but if someone had told me without doubt that my child would be born with retardation or some debilitating life-long disease, damn straight i would have aborted them.

i didn't reply to what i agreed with

thanks,
nathan