Latest crop circle, August 16th 2009. This one is a beauty! And scary...

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To: symmetricAvenger

Hey, I've been reading your posts and I have to admit I am intrigued/fascinated with what you are saying.


Lately, I've often thought that humans are like the "babies" of the universe.
We're these soft, smelly things running around questioning things with our flight-or-fight response defecating ourselves. lol ...but it's sadly true.

Always with the questions. Addicted to our emotions.
We're very inefficient, primitive, and vulnerable beings-I argue.

I'll admit. I know nothing. Honestly, at the end of the day I know nothing.
People debate ANYTHING and EVERYTHING. I can make some points or show some other views, but it ends up being debatable from some person or it's questioned.

And then we die.

or do we really?? some may argue.
Cause they want to go and spend the rest of eternity kissing the feet of their 'GOD' up in the clouds some place.

But, who am I to judge?

I really do not know. What do I know?
aaah.

Paradoxes....semantics....blaaaaah.....

I try to look for answers, but even at that I find I am asking questions and not knowing what to do or where to go.

The answer has to be within...I keep coming to that conclusion, and since trying to do so I am more at peace.

Then I argue...well does that mean I am self-centered then if I designate myself to knowing something...am I self-righteous, and on top of that again what do I know.

I feel very confined to being a human.

But, see now I am playing victim just a little bit.
What can anybody do about it accept listen to my verbal diarrhea every once in a while so I don't drive myself insane(-er than I already am ).

Ugh.

This human experience can be fun. If I create it that way I suppose. If we agree that reality is an illusion.

But, does this mean I am just as stupid and conforming as the rest of humans if I decide to live my life and have fun with it?

Let me ask you this...how then do we go about 'saving the world'??

Really?

And still I want to argue that there's nothing we can do about this really accept keep barking at people to wake up and realize they can look within and see things a different way. It's within the individual.
Or we can choose to not play that game, and just live, but sit to ourselves and complain that we can all be better than what we are in this instant.

*sigh*

I mean, what do you want people on this forum to do? I see your points, and it's cool to see how you think and see this world.
But, what do you want to do with that?


But, on the topic of this thread: I have a feeling these are not done by humans. As if. Really now as if!!!
Come on! Humans doing that...seriously???

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No, it isn't EXACTLY parrallel.
I have the points plotted right now and lines drawn.

They are off a tick.

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Also, if you look at the lines drawn from the main outter circles towards eachother, you will see that the straight lines form the inner tangent of the arch going towards the outter circles from within.

This shows that the circle is, in fact, uniform.
However, if you look closesly at the main lines going from the inner to the outter circles, they are off the trams. Notice now the lines sorta veer off from the smallest circles in the bunch.

Not a lot, just noticably. They go from the center of the smallest circles to the outter edges.

Forming another tangent.

Eh, in order to explain it I'm going to have to create a series of pictures.

I'll do that tomorrow.

reply to post by Mr_XIM


Look Mr Self Centered, what makes you think ET's creating a crop circle in a field as a means of communication to you is the only possible theory / answer ?

Sorry, not the only one, I forgot about Doug and Dave, some rope and a plank.

Originally posted by JayinAR
Those "marks" aren't proof of anything.
It is a ripple 3d effect.
You can look on google images for a crop circle that appears as a 3d CD and see how this is simply another effect of layering the crop.

Nice try, though.

You are absolutely CLUELESS!

Those marks I pointed out are caused by the tool used to bend the crops! All known man-made crops have those marks because they are caused by the wood planks used to make them. The SAME marks are found in 99% of ALL crop circles. They are TOOL MARKS caused by the TOOL they used.

Go ahead, compare a man-made crop circle to any crop circle you think is "alien", and you will see the BOTH have the same marks because they are BOTH made with wood planks...

You are so clueless, I going to show you your ignorance so maybe you can shut up....

Here we go...

Originally posted by JayinAR
The tramlines aren't used. See my illustration.

Originally posted by JayinAR
The tramlines aren't used to put this on the ground.

They use the tramlines so they can hide their footsteps! They walk down the tramline until they find a good distance, and then they walk into the crops a few feet and start their first circle. That is why 90% of the center of all crop circles is only a few feet from a tramline. Because they use the tramline to hide their footsteps, then they walk out into the crops and start... I made an image for you. Keep in mind, there are HUNDREDS more just like these...

You see how ALL of these center circles are only a couple feet or more from a tramline?? BECAUSE THEY USE THE TRAMLINES FOR MULTIPLE REASONS. Main one is to hide their footsteps....

Now go away, there is no place on ATS for your amount of ignorance. You are too clueless.

Clueless?

Go ahead, what is the scale on those photos?
Were they all taken from the same altitude?

Because honestly, I can take ANY photo and give it that little "easy step" over to a tram from the center because ALL FIELDS have trams.
But that step becomes much greater the closer you zoom in on the field. Or further the further away you get.

What is the size of the glyph in each of those photos and what is the altitude in which the photo was taken.

Then we can work some math.

How insulting. What kind of "civility and decorum" is that?

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And aside from that, your illustrations actually serve to further my point if anyone actually understands what it takes to lay something like this on the ground.

You see, many of even your illustrations show formations that aren't square to the trams.
They are skewed. Meaning that someone has to carry CONTROL down the line with something to calculate and turn the angles.
There isn't evidence of this.

Laser-levels don't work for this, pal.

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Ya you are right, people, boards and ropes

post by Wormwood Squirm
sarcasm right ? because anyone who thinks, these are man made
by any means. really needs to pull their head out.

These analyses show that the cellular structure of the plants has been strongly affected and that the composition of the soil greatly altered in crop circles (man made designs exhibit no such results

this difference in cellular structure (it should be said) forms a
sort of a knucle in the plant causing the bend.the plant then grows
horizontal to the ground. as unbelievable as it is.
it is a fact.
apologies op, not trying to hijack your thread.s&f for you .


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Boy, you seem to have it all figured out.
Go ahead and post a video of these guys doing it as you say.
You can't.
Because you really have no clue about what this sort of work would require.

The work involved is mind-boggling.

Originally posted by randyvs
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Ya you are right, people, boards and ropes

post by Wormwood Squirm

 

sarcasm right ? because anyone who thinks, these are man made
by any means. really needs to pull their head out.

These analyses show that the cellular structure of the plants has been strongly affected and that the composition of the soil greatly altered in crop circles (man made designs exhibit no such results

this difference in cellular structure (it should be said) forms a
sort of a knucle in the plant causing the bend.the plant then grows
horizontal to the ground. as unbelievable as it is.
it is a fact.
apologies op, not trying to hijack your thread.s&f for you .


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Show me a "knuckle". One doesn't have to be a botanist to know that all plants, trees, etc form little knots where they have been damaged as they try to repair themselves and keep the fluids flowing to all parts of the plant.

You can stab a tree with a fork, leave it in there, and the tree will grow around it. You can bend a plant and it will try to mend itself.

Your point really proves nothing about crop circle origin. You are simply embellishing on somebody else's far outlandish statement when investigating a crop circle on some TV show or such. There is nothing unusual about plants that have been bent and try to repair themselves.

Unusual soil eh? Prove it

reply to post by JayinAR


You mean a video like this??

Originally posted by JayinAR
Boy, you seem to have it all figured out.
Go ahead and post a video of these guys doing it as you say.
You can't.

Let me guess, this one isn't complex enough for you?

Ive dealt with clueless croppies before, you will just move the goal post now...

11:11!


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How can you claim to 'dispel' that the tram lines aren't used to access and create this circle? Clearly, every single peice of this circle is accessible from the tram lines. Every line.

if this was the real case they should have made an investigation by dropping a german shepherd( canine) there to sniff out the truth. Human made- probability-75%

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Show me a "knuckle". One doesn't have to be a botanist to know that all plants, trees, etc form little knots where they have been damaged as they try to repair themselves and keep the fluids flowing to all parts of the plant

and this all happens over one night ? come on!
i'll give you a knuckle!





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Originally posted by randyvs
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Show me a "knuckle". One doesn't have to be a botanist to know that all plants, trees, etc form little knots where they have been damaged as they try to repair themselves and keep the fluids flowing to all parts of the plant

and this all happens over one night ? come on!

Precisely, that is why the claim is outlandish and bogus

That could happen rather quickly naturally as the plant fluid will become blocked and the area will swell.

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Originally posted by randyvs
and this all happens over one night ? come on!

No, it happens over a couple of days. Which is how long it takes for the "researchers" to get out to the fields and start poking around.

It's also how long some of the crop circles take to be completed. Like this one, done over several days: www.cropcircleconnector.com...

this is most obviously a representation of our evacuation plans and the evacuation plans of those living on mercury. Mercurians are rolling on to mars and we are relocating to jupiter, just on the other side of the asteroid belt (depicted by the two small dots). ORRRR its a really beautiful piece of artwork done by some wheat-hating-but-talented doods. Just puttin it out there hoping it doesnt get cut off...peace family.

Precisely, that is why the claim is outlandish and bogus

reply to post by Wormwood Squirm
this seems to apply alot better to your to your theory.you have the facts i've stated and backed deal w/ them pal. the plants never show any signs of being broken .unless they have been faked by humans.
not saying it's E.T. either.i don't know anything about what causes them.
something obviously is going on above a human level though.
if it were just some graffitti, love notes, or something well hell yea.
but never once anything of this sort.makes it highly doughtful don't you
think? human nature isn't like this.



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They are beautiful!
If its humans making them i think they should come out and say it!
I mean, Why give the credit to the E.T's.