Fishy Circumstances and Flawed Timelines Surround American's Beheading

On the Jewish bit:
Beheaded American was arrested as a spy 'because of his Jewish name'



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There was no lack of blood....the thing is that most people are used to bloody films where you see blood spraying from corpses.....i hate being technical...in something as horrific as this. But first of all Berg was sitting down....he had been calm for sometime and was not doing a lot of movements, because of this his body did not spray any blood, i did see a pool of his blood under him as they were beheading him. I don't think that there was any missing information on the video, but I could be wrong, but at the moment that film was being done a man was killed and it was Berg.

[Edited on 12-5-2004 by Muaddib]

To those who say the photos issued by the family look completely different from the man in the video, I ask that they compare the two side by side. The lack of any facial hair in one, and abundance of it in the other certainly make im look different, but it is the same person.

Essentially, we have four choices to pick about the Nick Berg issue:

(1) Option 1: The Video is Real and the Circumstances are as they appear
(2) Option 2: The Video is Real and the Circumstances are not as they appear
(3) Option 3: The Video is False and the Circumstances are as they appear
(4) Option 4: The Video is False and the Circumstances are not as they appear

Using logic that a 5 year old can master, we obviously come down to options 1 and 2. Those of you who don't see how we come to this narrowing process ask yourselves one question: what is easier? Really cutting off a persons head or faking the process? Now, moving on a bit:

(1) If Nick Berg were captured, and he were to be beheaded, this can easily be accomplished without help from the CIA or other shadow organizations. It's just simply daily practice for Muslim countries. Many limbs (hands/feet) are severed and the practice goes back thousands of years. It's an art form, and it's really quite efficient for them to do this. Heads -- albeit a bit different -- fall into the 'let's sever a body part' category and truly can be done quickly as well.

I personally think the video is real. I'll briefly debunk the debunkers who previously posted things like:


-> There is a woman screaming.
-> Human beings in a fight-or-flight mentality do not talk. They do not sing. They -- believe or not -- shreik like damned banshees. Watch any video on ogrish.com or anything from faces of death. Even the most big and burly men sound like little girls in the midst of a harsh treatment. What -- did you expect Nick Berg to sound like Barry White whilst his topmost parts were shorn clean off? Nope. It's him alright. Shreiking.


-> There are multiple [pick one] cameras, angles, cuts, videos, patches, takes, blah blah ... ad infinauseum.
-> So? Hey -- this isn't Nightline or 60 Minutes here. Were talking 2 handicams and a betamax type of production. "Apu the Camel Herder gets volunteered to film the ordeal. So, he dutifully mans his Sony DTS-338 and gets ta shootin'."


-> Suspicious timing. Wag the dog.
-> This has NOTHING to do with the authenticity of the video itself.


-> That's not Nick Berg. He's [pick one] (a) skinny (b) hairier (c) hairless (d) dark and tan.
-> Nick was in Iraq. He lost water weight. He was also in prison. He (shocking I know) probably didn't eat much of the gritty gruel by choice. Also, it's damned hot and sunny - he got a tan. As far as the hair issue - razors do nice jobs for shaving folks. And trust me, they shaved him. Notice the nice Jewish shaving job? Hmmm. They REALLY wanted to portray him as a Jew as they executed him. Double meaning here.


-> There was [pick one] (a) lots of blood (b) not enough blood (c) not enough struggling (d) non-realistic movement.
-> Cant really tell. Video sucks. Doesn't matter. Video is real.


-> He's wearing an orange prison jumpsuit.
-> So? Remember the Abu Ghirab prison scandal that not 2 days ago was so hot-to-trot in everyone's front page browser favorites? If you took the time to read some of those reports (and the armie's own scandalous Taguba report) mentions plenty-o-escapees from the Bagdad motel. Some of those folks probably 'donated' their jumpers to Al Queda. Or, howzabout this one: Berg gets thrown in Iraqi jail (corroborated by many stories). Bagdad jails were (for a short time) under the command of -- and getting SUPPLIES from -- the Coalition Provisional Authority. How about that. Or, what if he kept his Orange jumpsuit from the US lockup for 'souvenirs' and it got re-used (ehr, to his disappointment probably).


-> He doesn't struggle.
-> Ok. Simply put - he couldn't. One guy holds his head. A guy jumps on his feet. A guy knees his back. His hands are tied. His feet are tied. He's bound, exhausted, hungry, dehydrated, and surpised. Oh, and getting his throat cut. Even on the floor, the range of movement for the head is controlled by the neck muscles, of which the ones having the strongest power are the traps. But alas - they pull the head BACK (and expose the neck). Hmmm, not good ones to instinctively flex. Thus, the lowly chin-to-chest muscles come in to play and those aren't that powerful -- or powerful enough to overcome someone grabbing your headful of hair and countering that movement.



The primary reasons why I think it's real:

Technical:

-> It's easy(er) to produce a real video
-> It's hard(er) to produce a fake video

Political:

-> Al Queda wants to behead someone (like, oh, an American with a Jewish name)
-> The US Govt. doesnt exactly like us to be watching head-cutting AVI's, especially near election run-up time

Finally, the corroboration required to tie this into Mike Berg's family would be immense.

My overall belief is that (a) he was beheaded, (b) the video is real, and (c) the circumstances are NOT as we see them to be. That leaves a whole 'nother can of worms for another thread.

Finally, the corroboration required to tie this into Mike Berg's family would be immense.

What exactly do you mean by this? If this were some kind of psy ops, Berg's family would not have to have been in on it.


[Edited on 13-5-2004 by spngsambigpants]