The Alcohol Conspiracy?

Like many people I finish most evenings with a couple of beers or some wine when winding down. Usually the day after I feel a bit sluggish. Every few days I make an effort to have a couple or a few nights free of alcohol and soon find myself feeling a lot better and thinking a lot more clearly. More astute and switched on and I become more productive.

A lot of people on ATS agree that TPTB don't want astute and switched on people. They want "obedient workers" - tax slaves - call us what you will.

With all the addiction, illness and deaths linked to booze it seems a bit strange that it's not banned. (the side of my psyche that like a drink just slapped me).

It's a well known fact that alcohol is a poison, which is what you're feeling when you start to feel drunk. Are TPTB letting us poison ourselves gradually on purpose and then taxing us for the privilege?

Is alcohol allowed because we live in a "free" society (in which case they would legalise other less harmful drugs) or is it allowed because it plays it's part in population control - both in keeping the numbers down and sedating the people?



Apologies if this thread has already been done.

Interesting point , well as you know the government makes a killing on taxing it , same with tobacco , as long as the moneys flowing in its all good .
Besides , if the sale of it was banned a lot of people would start brewing their own . I know I would

Ha, my winding down drinks are dwindling.

I doubt there is a conspiracy, they tried to prohibit it before (thanks to the religious )

It just made matters much worse.

I couldn't of tried hard enough to find a conspiracy in it.

Alcohol I like, because it allows me to stay in a good though, well at least in my head although word association and add are side effects I still like it because it's a night cap for me... till I find a way to get ambien!

I donno. But I'd be fine if they banned alcohol and made a certain other drug that isnt allowed to be talked about on here legal. That'll never happen though.

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I think a lot of other people would agree with you!

That's the point though isn't it? Booze has all the effects on society that I said - and the other one doesn't.

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Yep, except for maybe making a few people lazy . But not everyone.

Im sure TPTB like their fine brandy and cigars in the evening...then again,they could make it illegal and still have them in the evening...soo.I dont know,probably more ingrained in our culture than any other drug so very very hard to make illegal.We saw the result when they did ban it..course all drugs should be legal,but then we are moving into drug discussion which is a no no.

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I think everyone on this planet has a drug of some kind. You need it just to live here.

And I say, whatever the drug, let people do what they have to.

Who is judging us? Other people.

Who has the right to judge us? No-one - unless we commit a crime against other people (which I think might be called war, in which case a LOT of people should be judged).

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I agree with you. But... Who said anything about being judged?

Maybe booze does a great job of keeping people in their place, dumbing them down so to speak, making people more subservient.

I'm not knocking drinkers. I drink. But have a good look at how it really makes you feel...

... when you see someone stood in line to buy their booze do they look like they're going home to have a good time by themselves or are they stood in line to buy their "medicine"?

When I look at other people in the que at the off-license it makes me question why we do it and why they let us? Who benefits? Are we being allowed to sedate ourselves?

But I think it's part of a much bigger problem that goes beyond the scope of this thread. Population control - helping to keep the death toll constant and the living workers in a bit of a state.

Consider this the next "morning after the night before"

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I might be a druggie, I might be on methadone, I might be a boozer, I might be a religious maniac...

What I am saying is that everyone is on some drug, and everyone pays the price.

So let them pay their own price. Instead of the government raking dollars off them.

Originally posted by townio
and opium among asians.

Well opium was defiantly hugely popular in England - usually in the form of:

Sydenham's Laudanum, which was a combination of sherry and opium; the sweetness of the sherry made the bitter taste of the opium more palatable. Sydenham's Laudanum is also distinguished as being one of the first "patent medicines". Laudanum is important in the history of opium because users in the West most often used opium in that form for the next 400 years.

But the poorer could also just buy pressed opium from the chemist / local shop - that and gin made pretty much every one right through the spectrum of society quite mad - when they eventually tried to bring in restrictions on it (about the 1900's I think) it took a very long time, not least due to the fact Britain was a major exporter of the stuff - so you know, there would of been plenty of it around and people would still of been running the routes and bringing more in.

It is not alcohol that is the problem, it is the chemicals they add, just as they do tobacco.

Every society in all corners of the earth have mind changing substances, either drugs alcohol or both and usually smoke some plant or other.

There are many animals who eat hallucigenic such as elephants who eat the marual fruit, demostic cats, catnip and the jaguar who gets high on yage.

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I donno. But I'd be fine if they banned alcohol and made a certain other drug that isnt allowed to be talked about on here legal. That'll never happen though.

Well, the Government sure would make a ton of money, but I think it might come down to a fight between the Feds and the States....

Originally posted by USER
Like many people I finish most evenings with a couple of beers or some wine when winding down. Usually the day after I feel a bit sluggish.

Could be the preservatives used in the brand you're drinking?

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If you see alcohol as a conspiracy, maybe you should stop drinking


Alcohol is not a conspiracy, it has been around ever since men found out that fruit/berries/grain can be fermented. Alcohol has been around a long time as recorded by older cultures such as the Egyptians. Even Old Greece had their wine God "Dionysos"

Men and woman have had hangovers ever since the discovery of alcohol. If you drink what you feel is adequate for you in the evening and feel sluggish in the morning it is probably because you are dehydrated or over did it (what you thought was ok to drink was too much for your body)

While some alcohols have beneficial effects such as red wine to help strengthen your heart and manage your cholesterol when taken in moderation, other cheap brewed beer will be the killer of ya.

Alcohol from what I read about it will do several things...

You drink before going to bed more than a few suds, it will interfere with your sleep. One gets a more restful 8 hour sleep without booze as opposed to one who drank a few and will feel like he only had a few hours of sleep.

Drinking dehydrates the body, the more you drink, the more you will become dehydrated... which is the major cause of hangovers, drink a glass of water in between each glass of wine/beer/ounce of liquor.

Alcohol also destroy an array of vitamins in the human body (so does caffeinated beverages) but it mostly targets vitamin C and the B complex as well as reducing your body ability to absorb those vitamins when consumed in large quantity over an extended period of time.

Potassium is one of the electrolytes lost in a night of heavy drinking, maybe you feel sluggish because of that lost?

Smoking while drinking is a double whammy on ones body as it truly deplete vitamin C and E.

As for booze dumbing you down, it will if abused.

...or is it allowed because it plays it's part in population control - both in keeping the numbers down and sedating the people?

TPTB does not really need Alcohol to sedate the people, the idiot tube will do that for you, especially with shows such as American Idol, America's got talent and watching David Hasselhoff drunk as a bat, trying to eat his hamburger. Beside, Big pharma is doing it's huge part in "sedating the population". We met yesterday an acquaintance of ours in town and that guy turns out as a huge pill popper, something we didn't know... Taking a ride with him turned out scary and when we got back from the market/gas station, the hubby and I both told him that he drove recklessly and scared the snot out of us when we had a near collision with another car, and that we did not appreciate him saying "oops" as he almost nicked that other car. He reacted this way when we told him what we thought... "I scared you, good! and have you seen the many dents on my minivan, what do you think those were? " Driving under the influence of a bloody xanax turned out to be as dangerous as driving after drinking!

As for population control and keeping the numbers down, TPTB will not wait for the long term effects of alcohol to take hold on the male/female population. It will impair to some degree the reproductive system but it does not render anyone sterile. That is why some food additives such as "Tween 80" and the likes is around to do the job.


So OP, take vitamins and drink plenty of water before going to bed after your night caps, this way, you will not feel too sluggish the next morning

Originally posted by miss_silver
So OP, take vitamins and drink plenty of water before going to bed after your night caps, this way, you will not feel too sluggish the next morning

Those isotonic sports drinks are a good quick fix as well - also a little trendier for the last drink of the night in front of your mates... They are a little pricey tho.

My final fix is usually a fried egg sandwich, but frying food after drinking is not the safest thing in the world.

I haven't drank regularly in two years. Since I stopped I have drank about six times and I feel better for that but admittedly long stretches of sobriety aren't for everyone. I wouldn't want it banned though primarily for purely selfish reasons as I like using alcohol in certain dishes.

Originally posted by townioUltimately, alcohol is legal because it has no therapeutic use. Other drugs were outlawed so that manufactured and copyrighted substitutes could be developped, and so that the pharmaceutical industry could become what it is today.

Alchohol has plenty of use in therapy mildly directly but mostly indirectly for sterilising things and as a solvent. Then again in the UK at least you can get proscribed certain restricted chemicals for therapeutic purposes but I think the USA has different laws on this from state to state.

Originally posted by Oatmeal
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I donno. But I'd be fine if they banned alcohol and made a certain other drug that isnt allowed to be talked about on here legal. That'll never happen though.

Well, the Government sure would make a ton of money, but I think it might come down to a fight between the Feds and the States....

Yeah thats true. Here in CA its legal for meds and the feds mess with the clubs often, its rediculous.

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I have to wonder how many people who are on here realise the insiduos power of alcohol the old "I haven't got a problem" syndrome.

Many people convince themselves that drinking is ok as long as it is moderate - think of the high bottom drunk... People who can function quite normally and don't realise they have a problem.

With all of the alcohol related deaths per annum I'm surprised that it is still legal...

...So on that basis I would say that it probably IS a conspiracy.

It is allowed by the powers that be for tax reasons for sure but I'm almost convinced of my original points.

I'm not saying don't drink - I drink.

What I'm saying is maybe people should think about this lot the next time they're taking a sip - is it really REALLY out of choice or is there a certain ammount of compulsion - It hides itself really well.

And maybe, just maybe, you're doing the PTB's jobs for them.