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Holloman AFB Alumni - Converstaions
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I have been seeing a polarization of opinion on the US governments involvement in the UFO community.
It seems to me those that advocate release of information are slowly being left to it.
In the past hindrance to release was the norm.
I believe we are all soon to have no choice.
We will be forced to believe or dismiss the subject.
I respect both views.
But at this point.
I think we can just hope for truth.
I listened to the writer of "The day after Rosewell" on a Art Bell Utube.
I hope he might prove a rudder for the rest of us that were in the Service's.
We honorably supported each of our Branch's activity's.
We were the Drivers of the vehicles.
The clerks.
The pilots.
The Guards.
The Doctors.
The Nurses.
The combatants.
The men on the ground.
The Air traffic Control.
The Enlisted & the Officers.
Or simple observers of events that have yet to be released.
Many of these valiant men & women are passing passing very fast now.
Soon there will be non left.
To call in question the lies.
To simply tell the truth on what was & continues to happening.
This man did it for our descendants.
If any of you can comment on what his outcome was after releasing this info please post.
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It seems to me those that advocate release of information are slowly being left to it.
In the past hindrance to release was the norm.
I believe we are all soon to have no choice.
We will be forced to believe or dismiss the subject.
I respect both views.
But at this point.
I think we can just hope for truth.
I listened to the writer of "The day after Rosewell" on a Art Bell Utube.
I hope he might prove a rudder for the rest of us that were in the Service's.
We honorably supported each of our Branch's activity's.
We were the Drivers of the vehicles.
The clerks.
The pilots.
The Guards.
The Doctors.
The Nurses.
The combatants.
The men on the ground.
The Air traffic Control.
The Enlisted & the Officers.
Or simple observers of events that have yet to be released.
Many of these valiant men & women are passing passing very fast now.
Soon there will be non left.
To call in question the lies.
To simply tell the truth on what was & continues to happening.
This man did it for our descendants.
If any of you can comment on what his outcome was after releasing this info please post.
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Logon #1 topic:
I was interested in responses to any like experiences in the White Sands area.
I was sent to the desert in 1979 for a F4 crash recovery.
I was near the end of enlistment.
I was not in any field that would normally support such activity.
I was in the Flight Instruction AFSC.
In this job we almost never saw the light of day.
Inside 98 per cent of the time.
In fact at Holloman we were one of the few AFSC's that reported to work fully dressed in feild jackets, insolated gloves.
Not the normal 130 degree in the shade work on the flight line.
So being sent on this type of job just was just out of the Blue for me.
My reason for the interest was that I remember that there were some syc op's projects on base that were rumbling around.
I had also spoke to others that were a the end of their tour that were also sent to the desert for out of the ordinary op's.
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[edit on 8/15/2009 by n120by60w]
[edit on 8/15/2009 by n120by60w]
I was interested in responses to any like experiences in the White Sands area.
I was sent to the desert in 1979 for a F4 crash recovery.
I was near the end of enlistment.
I was not in any field that would normally support such activity.
I was in the Flight Instruction AFSC.
In this job we almost never saw the light of day.
Inside 98 per cent of the time.
In fact at Holloman we were one of the few AFSC's that reported to work fully dressed in feild jackets, insolated gloves.
Not the normal 130 degree in the shade work on the flight line.
So being sent on this type of job just was just out of the Blue for me.
My reason for the interest was that I remember that there were some syc op's projects on base that were rumbling around.
I had also spoke to others that were a the end of their tour that were also sent to the desert for out of the ordinary op's.
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[edit on 8/15/2009 by n120by60w]
[edit on 8/15/2009 by n120by60w]
I was stationed at Ft. Bliss and worked White Sands, Holloman AFB, and Ore Grande range quite often. I got out of the Army in 1990, spent 4 years
there. Worked on new weapons systems for the Army.
Originally posted by desertdreamer
I was stationed at Ft. Bliss and worked White Sands, Holloman AFB, and Ore Grande range quite often. I got out of the Army in 1990, spent 4 years there. Worked on new weapons systems for the Army.
I spent 1976-1980 stationed at Holloman.
T38,T4,T15,BB.
UASF & NASA Op's.
Training newbies & proficiency training for the range & Roswell.
Did you stumble into projected Phyc Op's Events?
Or
US or Alien Dumbs at the far NW side of the Range?
I was was part of a group abduction in Alamogordo.
It flew down the Corridor from El Paso to Alamogordo.
Documented Alb Center & Holloman Tower tracked.
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reply to post by n120by60w
No, we never stumbled into much of anything on the ranges that we were on. We were one of the only groups testing out where we were (closer to Carrizozo, NM). I would however be interested in hearing about your group abduction. How many? Where is the documentation for the flight parallel to Hwy 54?
I was in the area while they were testing Reagan's Star Wars Project. We never got close, but you knew when they were testing it.....everything on the highway was shut down, and no one was allowed in or out of White Sands.
[edit on 15-8-2009 by desertdreamer]
Did you stumble into projected Phyc Op's Events? Or US or Alien Dumbs at the far NW side of the Range? I was was part of a group abduction in Alamogordo. It flew down the Corridor from El Paso to Alamogordo. Documented Alb Center & Holloman Tower tracked.
No, we never stumbled into much of anything on the ranges that we were on. We were one of the only groups testing out where we were (closer to Carrizozo, NM). I would however be interested in hearing about your group abduction. How many? Where is the documentation for the flight parallel to Hwy 54?
I was in the area while they were testing Reagan's Star Wars Project. We never got close, but you knew when they were testing it.....everything on the highway was shut down, and no one was allowed in or out of White Sands.
[edit on 15-8-2009 by desertdreamer]
Originally posted by desertdreamer - I would however be interested in hearing about your group abduction. How many? Where is the documentation for the flight parallel to Hwy 54?
Reported to OSI.
Tracked by Holloman tower.
Jets scrambled in pursuit.
6-8.
Friends in Alamogordo, Wife & I.
Day time threw evening.
Followed El Paso to Alamogordo hwy....
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[edit on 8/15/2009 by n120by60w]
I listened to the writer of "The day after Rosewell" on a Art Bell Utube. I hope he might prove a rudder for the rest of us that were in the Service's.
That would be Philip J. Corso, and he won't be much of a rudder now that he is dead. I spent all 4 of my military years out in the desert, and there are alot of strange things that go on out there (and have for many years), but I believe that the events that transpire out there on military bases will always be in the shadows.
reply to post by n120by60w
So tell me about the abduction. You guys were driving on the highway? You said it lasted a while.....so what happened?
So tell me about the abduction. You guys were driving on the highway? You said it lasted a while.....so what happened?
Originally posted by desertdreamer
Did you check out this thread?
UFO Whistle Blower - Corso
Ya - He's one of the reasons I opened this thread.
Is he still breathin?
I guess you already posted about that
Whats the skuddel butt on what happened to him?
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[edit on 8/15/2009 by n120by60w]
reply to post by n120by60w
Wikipedia on Corso
He died in 1998 of a heart attack at the ripe old age of 83. You can see a copy of the affidavit that he signed before he died, that stated that everything in his book was true at the site below, and I am sure there are many others.
Corso Affidavit
Wikipedia on Corso
He died in 1998 of a heart attack at the ripe old age of 83. You can see a copy of the affidavit that he signed before he died, that stated that everything in his book was true at the site below, and I am sure there are many others.
Corso Affidavit
Originally posted by desertdreamer
He died in 1998 of a heart attack at the ripe old age of 83.
I am glad to see that his family is ok.
I a heartened by the fact that he went out honorably.
That his grateful country is honoring his service.
He went out of his way to maintain decorum between the branchings.
He did not bash.
He just stated the truth as best he could.
I am greatful for the powers that be in not takeing a swipe at him.
For being as honorable as he was being in the end.
I hope that other vets are also treated with such respect.
Our country can act honorably if it chooses too.
As VET's, we have seen it.
If we stand together....
Unmoved by the fray around us for action.
Just honorable simple witness's to the truth.
The heavy weight of these events,
will become the focused burden only by those that wish to suppress it.
Not by those forced to endure it.
See how actuall change was brought about
By the actions of Gondi, King & Mandella.
Lets bring it to bear here.....
Truth
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I am still looking for non comm & officer alike that were stationed at Holloman.
Some of us were sent out into the desert for special duty of one kind or another.
Do you remember comeing back from the desert?
We were flown into the desert.
We don't remember comeing out although.
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Some of us were sent out into the desert for special duty of one kind or another.
Do you remember comeing back from the desert?
We were flown into the desert.
We don't remember comeing out although.
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I am still looking for non comm & officer alike that were stationed at Holloman.
Some of us were sent out into the desert for special duty of one kind or another.
Do you remember comeing back from the desert?
We were flown into the desert.
We don't remember comeing out although.
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Some of us were sent out into the desert for special duty of one kind or another.
Do you remember comeing back from the desert?
We were flown into the desert.
We don't remember comeing out although.
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If we stand together....
Unmoved by the fray around us for action.
Just honorable simple witness's to the truth.
The heavy weight of these events,
will become the focused burden only by those that wish to suppress it.
Not by those forced to endure it.
See how actuall change was brought about
By the actions of Gondi, King & Mandella.
Lets bring it to bear here.....
Truth
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Unmoved by the fray around us for action.
Just honorable simple witness's to the truth.
The heavy weight of these events,
will become the focused burden only by those that wish to suppress it.
Not by those forced to endure it.
See how actuall change was brought about
By the actions of Gondi, King & Mandella.
Lets bring it to bear here.....
Truth
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Originally posted by desertdreamer
reply to post by n120by60w
So tell me about the abduction. You guys were driving on the highway? You said it lasted a while.....so what happened?
It followed the hwy from El Paso to Alamagordo.
It ended up Hovering above us in the late after noon.
I threw a rock & thats the last thing I remeber.
The next moment we are in the dark....
Well I was with another family along with my wife.
We may have been gone for a few days.
I dont know.
We reported it to OSI on base when we returned to work.
I have a ongoing Forum
if you are interested --- "Serious - Abductee Chat forum"
I have covered it pretty well there.
It was started about a year ago.
--Watcher
I worked radar maintenance there for 5 years (2004-2009) and although as a maintainer we didn't stare at the scope we spent a lot of time in the
shelter and also at our NEXRAD weather site at Tulie Peak.
Late nights, pitch black on moonless nights it is always hard to discern what is going on out there.
Late nights, pitch black on moonless nights it is always hard to discern what is going on out there.
reply to post by n120by60w
Only 'lake' there is that I remember is Holloman Lake, which is a preservation site I believe for some type of bird. I could be wrong.
I know on our many drives from the north end of Holloman out onto the range we would see weird lights that were not there the night before, usually where the test track was and we always assumed people were doing some night time work like we were.
There a couple times, and it wasn't often, when NASA would practically overtake Tulie Peak with telemetry equipment for days, yet the range was open so we know they were not tracking any type of missile launch.
I will say though, best times out there and I miss the stars...
Only 'lake' there is that I remember is Holloman Lake, which is a preservation site I believe for some type of bird. I could be wrong.
I know on our many drives from the north end of Holloman out onto the range we would see weird lights that were not there the night before, usually where the test track was and we always assumed people were doing some night time work like we were.
There a couple times, and it wasn't often, when NASA would practically overtake Tulie Peak with telemetry equipment for days, yet the range was open so we know they were not tracking any type of missile launch.
I will say though, best times out there and I miss the stars...
reply to post by ownbestenemy
It was more of a small pond, pretty deep for its size though.
It had a large single orange coy fish & a 4' glob of allege in the center.
It was only 30 foot or so across.
It was at the base of a tree that over hung it.
On the west side of the peak in the flat.
The lake must have been very highly alkaline...
It was more of a small pond, pretty deep for its size though.
It had a large single orange coy fish & a 4' glob of allege in the center.
It was only 30 foot or so across.
It was at the base of a tree that over hung it.
On the west side of the peak in the flat.
The lake must have been very highly alkaline...
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