The Secret Pyramid Shafts Being Explored Now.

While I fully applaud Hawass and his team's efforts, I do feel that the true message of the Pyramid lies in its symbolism rather than its design and architecture. Still, one should explore every avenue they can...

May good come from it.

reply to post by zarp3333


Hello zarp

The video you saw is of my mother...her name on ATS is Grandma...mabey you could refer to her as something else then the Obese woman?

She is large due to being bed bound for about 3 years due to two broken hips as well as being on steroids for about 10years for a disease called Sarcoidosis. The disease also causes her to retain fluids in her body. Thought a little more background might give merit for her to not be called Obese. One hip broke and resulted in then removing 6 inches of bone. She will never walk again...hence the wheel chair. There are 5 parts of those videos....but the poster in this thread posted the one that fit this topic, which was her experience under the Sphinx. She has remembered many things she saw there and still dreams about things she saw that she had not remembered at first. Her health problems from that particular time she almost passed was from kidney failure from her kidneys having a high toxicity from too many antibiotics.

She says the history of the Earth is there....she said there are thousands and thousands of books. She said there are symbols everywhere. She said one of the books was all about star charts...it showed a image of what seemed to be Earth, it showed a space ship like craft on several pages, she remembers seeing the constellation of Orion seeming to be important in the book and that it seemed as if there was beings that traveled here from the stars. She said the images seemed to show the ship traveling to Earth.

For what it is worth....
LV

As usual nothing will be discovered or if there is something, there will be an official press release that will conform to written history rather than the truth.

For those that assum the good doctor's retirement will bring about change, I must disagree. Another puppet will probably be put in charge.

reply to post by Silver Shadow


I found this interesting:

...the georadar images were collected and interpreted by a non-Egyptologist, Jean-Pierre Baron, of Safege, a French company that specializes in georadar. "This specialist works for a company, one of whose main projects is to lay out the future TGV [express train] route from Paris to Strasbourg," said Mr Corteggiani. "If he says it is safe to lay the rails here, because there is no cavity under the ground here, he'd better be right. If not, the death toll will be very high." Mr Corteggiani was also intrigued by the location of the proposed room, which is said to be under the so-called Queen's Chamber, but further west, which would place it "at the cross-section of the diagonals and the absolute heart of the pyramid", a possibly symbolic resting place for Khufu.

Secret Chambers of the Great Pyramid of Khufu

If this georadar analyst is correct, then we may have some interesting discoveries ahead.

Let's hope.

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[edit on 16-8-2009 by mckyle]

Originally posted by ziggystar60
reply to post by Kandinsky

 

Thanks for this thread!

And I agree that it would be fantastic to find the tomb of Khufu. This king built the largest building of ancient times, and we know very little about what he looked like. The only surviving and fully akknownledged depiction of Khufu is this 7.6cm (3 inch) ivory statue:
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/fe274d16d099.jpg[/atsimg]

In this statuette, Pharaoh Khufu is depicted as a competent, noble, and important man; he sits confidently holding a "nekhekh" scepter of dignity.

This statuette is particularly important because it is the only surviving depiction of Khufu. The builder of the Great Pyramid at Giza, Khufu was regarded as an important, if not ruthless, ruler. Though he is depicted here in his old age, he is also portrayed as a man of strong character and determination.

heritage-key.com...

The statuette was discovered in 1903:

It was discovered not at Giza, but in a temple in Abydos during an excavation by William Matthew Flinders Petrie in 1903. Originally this piece was found without its head, but bearing the pharaoh's name. Realizing the importance of this discovery, Petrie halted all further excavation on the site until the head was found three weeks later after an intensive sieving of the sand from the area where the base had been discovered. This piece is now on display in the Egyptian Museum, Cairo.

en.wikipedia.org...

Did anyone else notice the seat back height level of the seat he sits on? Most if not all seats in statues and diagrams of the day support the entire human's back. This guy must be a giant among men (or not human at all) and sitting in a normal human's chair or thrown. At least 7.5ft tall

[edit on 16-8-2009 by Just Cause]

Originally posted by Silver Shadow

I was wondering if anyone could answer this question.
Can radar of whatever sort penetrate the pyramids?

Radar will not work, neither will sonar or cosmic rays, or X rays or even exotic particles. (which can pass through anything).

The reason, is that the whole pyramid is built from fairly loose fitting stones with irregular air spaces in between. While the visible casing stones fit together extremely well, the hidden bulk of the pyramid is not so well put together.

The idea of radar or sonar is that some of the signal is reflected whenever the density of the medium through which the signal passes changes. So you can readily detect objects in air or water, or with a bit more difficulty, objects buried in the ground.

But in a huge pile of loosely fitting rocks there are so many irregular air/rock interfaces, that the signal becomes reflected and confused to the point that detecting any significant structure within is just not possible.

Like trying to locate a single small air bubble hidden within a large piece of foam rubber.

It could only work if the pyramid were made of some solid homogeneous material like solid concrete. Then you may have a slight chance of locating chambers or tunnels by transmitting "something" through the structure. Many people have already tried all sorts of different ideas, but nothing so far has worked.

The most useful tool so far has been ground penetrating radar. This works pretty well in "solid" sand outside and around the pyramid. But it has proved completely useless within the loosely packed pyramid structure itself.

They put in massive efforts to construct amazingly detailed chambers, but not the exterior structure. I find it odd, unless they weren't concerned due to the fact that it was going to be covered with a face stone. But with something so painstakingly constructed it makes me wonder why they would not make the same effort to construct the entire structure in the same fashion as the chambers. Was time a factor, labor?

reply to post by Just Cause


Awesome observation!

The statue shows a man who is a "confident leader"... A king.
Yet he sits at a dining room table. Not a thrown.

Heck, my dining room table has a higher back than that.

S & F please keep us inform until the last detail

is funny i was just seen "the mummy" in tv and i was wondering all kinda of secrets in this pyramids

reply to post by Just Cause


It probably depends on who carved it and for what purpose. The back may have broken during carving and was salvaged by squaring off the back. It may be that there are details we can only see from behind this way. Ask Zahi Hawass, no doubt he has some explantion based on his own 'psychic' imaginations. It may have even been an Egyptian toilet.

reply to post by Kandinsky


I actually agree with Hawass i think there is still an undiscovered burial chamber as well.The kings chamber just never made sense to me.Where is the lid for the sarcophagus? It would have been to big for grave robbers to steal it where did it go? just never made sense to me.

Great Thread! I've been waiting for another robotic missin down the shafts but why has it taken so long? It will be interesting to see if they discover anything. Are they doing any research near the spynx and although I've heard of Edgar Cayce, I can't remember if any of his predictions ever came true? Is he just another Sylvia Brown? Is it possible the "Grandma" Was just remembering Edgar Cayce's predictions on the Spynx and got that mixed in with her own visions?

Very interesting thread nevertheless!

Originally posted by benoni

If we were to carbon date the stick we would get, for the first time ever, an accurate date for the age of this most marvellous construction...

Accurate date? Seems like you may be a little misinformed as to how "accurate" carbon dating is.


BUT!

GREAT THREAD!!! Thanks to the OP. I will surly be watching (as I was the first time with the first robot).

S&F for you sir!

Originally posted by aleon1018
It may have even been an Egyptian toilet.

A toilet that would dump its contents straight into the royal chamber?

If thats true I suppose the Egyptian workers didnt have all that high regards to the pharaoh

It would sort of explain why no one wanted to be buried there however...

Originally posted by KEMIK

They put in massive efforts to construct amazingly detailed chambers, but not the exterior structure. I find it odd, unless they weren't concerned due to the fact that it was going to be covered with a face stone. But with something so painstakingly constructed it makes me wonder why they would not make the same effort to construct the entire structure in the same fashion as the chambers. Was time a factor, labor?

This is the kind of thinking that i have but with regards a 'tomb' within the pyramid. There's the grand gallery and two very elaborately constructed chambers virtually at the centre of this thing and yet Hawass is speculating that there may be Khufu's tomb behind an 8"x8" door at the end of an air/symbolic shaft.

It simply does not make sense to me, but then i know hardly anything about Egyptian culture.

reply to post by benoni
Hello Benoni,
Thanks for your interesting comments...there are one or two that lacking accuracy though

They(the PTB ie. Archaeologists) have decided that the pyramids are approximately 4500 years old, yet cannot substansiate this approximate date...

They have substantiated this date very well. The only people that consider it 'unsubstantiated' are those in search of the famous 'lost civilization.' They've got the tombs of overseers and officials buried with inscriptions attesting their work on Khufu's pyramid. There are the bakeries, grain silos, the piles of fish and young cattle bones to feed the workers...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/a3b09398c277.jpg[/atsimg] Grain silos in the builder's city Who built the pyramids?

From hieroglyphic inscriptions and graffiti we infer that skilled builders and craftsmen probably worked year round at the pyramid construction site. Peasant farmers from the surrounding villages and provinces rotated in and out of a labor force organized into competing gangs with names such as "friends of Khufu" and" Drunkards of Menkaure". Each gang was divided into groups, Egyptologists call phyles (the Greek word for tribe). There were five phyles, whose names, always the same in each gang, bear same resemblance to ancient Egyptian neuitical terms such as "great "or starboard and green or prow. Each phyle was divided into groups of ten to 20 men, each named with single hieroglyphs some times representing ideas such as "life"," endurance" and "perfection".

Tombs of the pyramid builders

There is a very large body of evidence to show that the pyramids are at least 9500 years old, something Hawass is not at all keen to accept....
...because this date pre dates Egyptian civilisation and means we have to throw out the window the Ancient History of Egypt and all its claims to being the Cradle of Civilisation...

Please link to the 'very large body of evidence.' I'll respond to the other points when I've read your evidence.

Here's an interesting video about the pyramids...recommended by Zazzafrazz



Cheers Mademoiselle Frazz

reply to post by benoni

There is a very large body of evidence to show that the pyramids are at least 9500 years old

Hi. Not sure about that. There are many authors of the 'lost civilization' clan that claim such ages, however, these dates are based on theory and unfortunately are not conclusive as far as i am aware.

I think Graham Hancock agreed the Giza complex was built around 4500 BC but to mirror the alignment of Orion and the constallation of Leo as seen from Giza in 10,500 BC. Again the reasoning is just theoretical at this time.

If you have any evidence of older construction dates, please share with us.

regards

(Off subject for a second)

But was it not part of project Bluebeam,
that discoveries would be made which will
go against all religions, proving mankind has a different history
then what we already "know/think"?

What do you all thing will actually happen or we will discover?

[edit on 16-8-2009 by kaskade]

Originally posted by Just Cause

Originally posted by ziggystar60
reply to post by Kandinsky

 

Thanks for this thread!

And I agree that it would be fantastic to find the tomb of Khufu. This king built the largest building of ancient times, and we know very little about what he looked like. The only surviving and fully akknownledged depiction of Khufu is this 7.6cm (3 inch) ivory statue:
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/fe274d16d099.jpg[/atsimg]

In this statuette, Pharaoh Khufu is depicted as a competent, noble, and important man; he sits confidently holding a "nekhekh" scepter of dignity.

This statuette is particularly important because it is the only surviving depiction of Khufu. The builder of the Great Pyramid at Giza, Khufu was regarded as an important, if not ruthless, ruler. Though he is depicted here in his old age, he is also portrayed as a man of strong character and determination.

heritage-key.com...

The statuette was discovered in 1903:

It was discovered not at Giza, but in a temple in Abydos during an excavation by William Matthew Flinders Petrie in 1903. Originally this piece was found without its head, but bearing the pharaoh's name. Realizing the importance of this discovery, Petrie halted all further excavation on the site until the head was found three weeks later after an intensive sieving of the sand from the area where the base had been discovered. This piece is now on display in the Egyptian Museum, Cairo.

en.wikipedia.org...

Did anyone else notice the seat back height level of the seat he sits on? Most if not all seats in statues and diagrams of the day support the entire human's back. This guy must be a giant among men (or not human at all) and sitting in a normal human's chair or thrown. At least 7.5ft tall

[edit on 16-8-2009 by Just Cause]

If he's a giant sitting in a chair for regular sized people, then why is the seat of the chair just the right length for his thighs?

I don't think this suggests he was a giant, sadly.

[edit on 16-8-2009 by McGinty]