Obama's First Six Months' Accomplishments

Obama "haters" are a minority in the country and were to be expected. I still don't understand how so many working class, rural republicans and conservatives continue to want to support regimes that year after year do so little for them yet consistently funnel billions and billions to their corporate fat cat friends at our expense. How does that help the middle and working class? You think lower taxes on the federal level always helps us? How are your local tax rates been lately - your county or town taxes? One goes down the other goes up due to lack of funding.

I'm an independent and I truly believe Obama has more of an interest in the middle and working classes than any Bush or Reagan ever did. There's a lot of mess to clean up that doesn;t happen in a few months people.
By the way, the list of GW Bush accomplishments would require a separate web site to list them all and most of them are true and truly shameful.

Originally posted by M0bstar
but seriously there is other things he could be trying to do for his image other than "having a beer"

um clearly, you have never drank in your life or understand the culture behind it. when FDR (might have heard of him?) ran for president, he said "What America needs now is a good, stiff drink", which rings true even today . If you're gonna rag on someone for something as stupid and menial as drinking a beer, you probably are a huge wuss who bruises easily.

"oh no his image wahhhh"

Originally posted by piddles

Originally posted by M0bstar
but seriously there is other things he could be trying to do for his image other than "having a beer"

um clearly, you have never drank in your life or understand the culture behind it. when FDR (might have heard of him?) ran for president, he said "What America needs now is a good, stiff drink", which rings true even today . If you're gonna rag on someone for something as stupid and menial as drinking a beer, you probably are a huge wuss who bruises easily.

"oh no his image wahhhh"

He only had the beer because it involved a dumb racist Irish white cop. Typical white folk , and all that.

reply to post by Revealation


A lot of people, on both sides of any debate, have a hard time accepting that what they once thought was wrong, so they simply ignore the facts that contradict what they 'think' is true, and only believe what makes them look right in their own eyes, and to others that think like them. Look at all the Obama supporters, someone can put up hard evidence of something negative about him, and they will defend it to the death, saying that some of the evidence is unfounded, or whatever, or result to name calling and simple nonsense argument. As the same can be said with a lot of "conspiracy theorists.' I have run into this a lot as well, where someone will be saying one thing about UFO's or whatever, and when someone shows them proof to debunk a claim that they believe so hardcore in, that they will ignore those facts, as to not feel the embarrassment of being wrong in something that they believe.

A little aside from the topic, what I love is when people run out of defenses for Obama, they just call you a racist.

reply to post by mrsoul2009

When Obama's approval ratings are down to 47% according to Rasmussen then it's not a small minority as you state. People hate Obama and for good reason. Call me whatever you want but at the end of the day you need to face the facts.

That's fine - I'll face the facts when there are solid facts to face. An approval rating below 50% from right-leaning Rasmussen tells me the bloom is off the rose for sure but that just a snapshot. Why not give the man a chance before jumping ugly as you folks do. We're still in a huge recession (thanks you GW) and still fighting 2 wars. If I remember correctly, the beloved Reagan's numbers weren't looking too good in his first year either..

PLus - the poll you quote is an approval poll. It doesn't reflect the "hate" that is being reflected here. It's still the marginalized 20% or so who are spewing hatred and misinformation regarding his birth, socialism, death camps and other scare language. Its nonsense. Talk about facing facts - I think many people need to brush up a little more on what's actually happening than relying on the BS coming from right-wing news and website outlets. Its absolute nonsense what I hear.

reply to post by mrsoul2009


"Give Saul Alinsky A Chance"

Um.. why not just kill ourselves?

Originally posted by mrsoul2009
PLus - the poll you quote is an approval poll. It doesn't reflect the "hate" that is being reflected here. It's still the marginalized 20% or so who are spewing hatred and misinformation regarding his birth, socialism, death camps and other scare language. Its nonsense. Talk about facing facts - I think many people need to brush up a little more on what's actually happening than relying on the BS coming from right-wing news and website outlets. Its absolute nonsense what I hear.

You Leftists are so sensitive.

There's nothing misinformed about his collectivism. And the whole hoopla about his birth is the result of him refusing to clarify the facts.

It defies common sense that a President would seal nearly every document about himself. It invites mistrust.

The guy is a creep, he's a liar and I have no respect for that racist incompetent fraud.

Originally posted by resist2012
reply to post by Revealation

 

A little aside from the topic, what I love is when people run out of defenses for Obama, they just call you a racist.

And as Freud said: "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

I believe he also said:

"The first person ever to hurl an insult instead of a rock was the founder of modern civilization."

Are you somehow immune to bias?

Kind Regards. . . KK





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Really? We're making anti-obama threads based on emails now?

Does this mean I can finally tell you all about the amazing pills I've been taking? My girlfriend has never been happier, and your loved one would enjoy the benefits just as much!

Originally posted by Gregarious
Take heart, patriots. There are now over a dozen cases in the courts disputing Baraqs citizenship. When he is finally exposed as the illegal alien he is, he will be imprisoned and then deported to his homeland. Nothing he has done will have any merit, and anything he signed will be null and void. Unfortuneatly, his treasonous help aiding and abetting the enemy can't be reversed. Every bill he signs now, every one, is being contested in court, because he is not the legal president. It will take decades to clean up after this monster. But take heart, he will be exposed.

You obviously haven't been around for the past year.

Originally posted by Gregarious
Take heart, patriots. There are now over a dozen cases in the courts disputing Baraqs citizenship. When he is finally exposed as the illegal alien he is, he will be imprisoned and then deported to his homeland. Nothing he has done will have any merit, and anything he signed will be null and void. Unfortuneatly, his treasonous help aiding and abetting the enemy can't be reversed. Every bill he signs now, every one, is being contested in court, because he is not the legal president. It will take decades to clean up after this monster. But take heart, he will be exposed.

I thought they made it illegal for cousins to marry? Apparently not.

Patriotism masquerading as something else I reckon.

"Illegal Alien?" that's a new one.

Originally posted by die_another_day
75% of that either didn't happen or wasn't the act of Obama.


You don't like him? Why don't you kill him or something?

Hey, homeslice. Wind in your neck with this post.

reply to post by VinceP1974


whatever you say Vince. Supporting our president does not make me a leftist, but then again, most right wing nut jobs I know are just plain ignorant.

reply to post by kinda kurious


I am immune to no bias. I have found myself being bias as well, although, especially lately, I have made much of an effort not to be. All I want is truth. If I am to be mistaken, I will swallow my pride as long as there are facts to prove me wrong, and i will admit it. Though, I will admit, it's not easy.

reply to post by mrsoul2009

We're still in a huge recession (thanks you GW) and still fighting 2 wars.

The huge recession started with Clinton, in the late 90's with his massive corporate tax hikes. When you tax the corporation as highly as he did, it results in job losses, and outsourcing. It's a domino effect that no one seems to pay attention to the TRUE beginning of. I don't like bush, so don't get me wrong. Sure i supported him throughout much of his term, but when going over the whole course of his presidency and Clinton's, you can see that one picks up where the other left off. The effects of the previous presidency usually aren't seen until the next one swears in. Bush didn't help any, but he is not the one that started nor caused the current recession.

Originally posted by resist2012
reply to post by mrsoul2009

 

We're still in a huge recession (thanks you GW) and still fighting 2 wars.

I don't like bush, so don't get me wrong. Sure i supported him throughout much of his term. . .

Contradictory statement #1

. . . The effects of the previous presidency usually aren't seen until the next one swears in. Bush didn't help any, but he is not the one that started nor caused the current recession.

Contradictory statement #2

So then it would seem Mr. Soul 2009 is correct. He is saying the current recession is a result of PROIR President. And so are you. (Clinton exited with a huge surplus that was squandered by GWB. Plus GWB had 8 years to correct whatever ills might have been left him. To blame Clinton for the mess we re currently in is laughable.)

Wow 2 contradictions in a single post. Nice work.

I suppose even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

I'm not so sure if logic and debating is your cup of tea my friend.

Regards. . . KK

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reply to post by kinda kurious


First, saying i supported bush, but don't like him now is NOT a contradiction. There is no need for unfounded unnecessary jabs in this or any discussion.
Second, as I said, Bush did NOT start what is now the economic recession. It is not a contradiction of words to say that he didn't start it but didn't help it. I never said he was not guilty in any way of having a hand in the situation we are now in. I am just tired of people pointing the finger at one person, and blatantly IGNORING the facts that go against what they once supported. Clinton sucked, Bush 1 and 2 sucked, and Obama sucks. Simple facts. Also, if you are going to quote me, and talk about my quote, use the whole quote and reply to the whole quote in it's correct context before saying someone is correct about a part of a statement, and not the whole context in which it was meant.

The huge recession started with Clinton, in the late 90's with his massive corporate tax hikes. When you tax the corporation as highly as he did, it results in job losses, and outsourcing

So someone else starts a fire, I walk by, I may throw a little something in there, that doesn't really do a whole lot to add to the flames, but doesn't extinguish it either, I alone am responsible for that fire?

reply to post by resist2012


As far as the fire analogy, weak sauce IMO. If you make no effort to extinguish the fire you'd be guilty of negligence, not arson in my book. Perhaps the answer lies in your signature.

Regarding GWB's culpability in recession: (Warning, I am providing highlights or low-lights depending on your perspective.) Full stats below in source. Plus I bolded some text. Sorry.

Bush argued that unspent government funds should be returned to taxpayers. . . With reports of the threat of recession from Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, Bush argued that such a tax cut would stimulate the economy and create jobs. Others, including the Treasury Secretary at the time Paul O'Neill, were opposed to some of the tax cuts on the basis that they would contribute to budget deficits and undermine Social Security. Under the Bush Administration, real GDP grew at an average annual rate of 2.5%,considerably below the average for business cycles from 1949 to 2000.

Bush entered office with the Dow Jones Industrial Average at 10,587, and the average peaked in October 2007 at over 14,000. When Bush left office, the average was at 7,949, one of the lowest levels of his presidency.

Adjusted for inflation, median household income dropped by $1,175 between 2000 and 2007

The poverty rate increased from 11.3% in 2000 to 12.3% in 2006 after peaking at 12.7% in 2004.

By October 2008, due to increases in domestic and foreign spending, the national debt had risen to $11.3 trillion,an increase of over 100% from the start of the year 2000 when the debt was $5.6 trillion.

By the end of Bush's presidency, unemployment climbed to 7.2%.

In December 2007, the United States entered the longest post-World War II recession, which included a housing market correction, a subprime mortgage crisis, soaring oil prices, and a declining dollar value.

Source

So if you'd like to blame Clinton, be my guest.

Still not sure why YOU mentioned him in the first place.

Regards. . . KK


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