My Adventure - I Investigated a FEMA camp, Georgia Coffins and Georgia Guidestones!

First of all: great thread and thanks for posting it. It must have been quite a trip.

However, there is nothing weird or conspiratorial about what I have seen here.

1. The stacked plastic troughs appear to be extremely deep for a human coffin. It might be coffins, but maybe for animals (swine flu...anyone?). I can remember that when the bird flu made the news that they were killing millions of chickens all over. Larger domestic animals need to be in such a "coffin" because if buried in the ground without it the risk of ground water contamination is too high.

2. Well, the guide-stones have been demonized a lot especially by conspiracy theorists and taken as proof of whatever agenda there might be. The following points:

*Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
*Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
*Unite humanity with a living new language.
*Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
*Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
*Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
*Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
*Balance personal rights with social duties.
*Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
*Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature

Seems like a very wise way to live life on our planet. What it basically says is be considerate with nature, yourself, and all humanity.

I don't know what's evil about that.

reply to post by Donnie Darko


I gotta agree with Donnie, especially after all the recent talk of FEMA teaming up with NORTHCOM to have a potential co-op this fall to deal with Swine Flu. Add on the fact the National Guard created a new job post for "Internment Camp/Resettlement Camp Specialist," and you have a big pot stirring.

www.nationalguard.com...

Why not "resettle" those who pose a threat to National Security during the Flu Season. With all the recent legislation and seemingly lack of caring for what the people want, who is going to stop Congress and the Military?

Get ready for scenes from 'V For Vendetta' y'all... curfews and censorship.

I bet the forefathers would roll over in their graves at this current "Land of the Free"



-Sliadon

Originally posted by Phlynx
On your second picture you could have gotten on top of the shed, ran and jumped the fence! Not that you should, but you could have.

Now that is Funny!! I was investigating, not looking to get arrested!

I did enjoy your post! I am still smiling from it.

reply to post by ChemBreather


Heh...yeah...5..4..3..2..1..pffft...BOOM!!

Really though...has no one living locally tried to dig this thing up?

I'd imagine everything about the stones, the group behind them, why etc is all contained in the capsule..

It'd be a pretty poor time capsule without an explanation of why the stones are there, and who put them there wouldn't it.

There may well be DNA samples of the 'RC Christian' group, as a kind of shot at immortality. Maybe they're hoping in some distant future, they can be brought back...

The plastic tubs are burial vaults made by Vantage products in Covington, GA. Apparently they leased the land to store them there.

Vantage products vaults

Though what boggles my mind is that today's corporate culture is wrapped up in "Just in Time" manufacturing, why whould they make all these and stockpile them unless they are bought and paid for? It doesn't make sense to have all that money wrapped up in product, sitting in a field waiting unless someone already paid for them.

Catch my meaning?

BTW someone that lives in the area should go to the county courthouse there and verify what entity or person is in control of that land. If you point it out on a plat map they have to tell you who owns/controls/leases it.

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reply to post by opal13


Tell him to bung a couple of shovels and pick axes in the back of the car too.

It'll be a hardish dig, but six feet can easilly be dug in a night...

Get the capsule!

Good luck.

Edit to add: I wouldn't ask anyone to do something i wouldn't do myself...if any of the more wealthy members want to stump up the airfare and diggs (no pun) to the stones, i'll go and dig up the thing myself. (I'm a poor father of two little childlets)

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reply to post by thegreatobserver


I hate to beat this thing to death but I know from my time there that these are not coffins. They are composite liners designed to go in the ground to seal out elements. The coffin is placed inside, that is why it is so deep. The funny thing is that while I was there, they talked about having to add security at night because of people trespassing, loitering, climbing on top of the liners, etc. If you look at the youtube video posted earlier, you will see a no trespassing sign (not a govt. keep out warning). I have also done a site survey at Ft. Gillem, never saw any FEMA camps. Besides, at 1500 acres and surrounded by city it is rather small. Why not use Ft. Benning or Ft. Stewart (which is 280,000 acres).

Originally posted by questioningall

Originally posted by Phlynx
On your second picture you could have gotten on top of the shed, ran and jumped the fence! Not that you should, but you could have.

Now that is Funny!! I was investigating, not looking to get arrested!

I did enjoy your post! I am still smiling from it.

All you need is alot of those EMP Grenades and throw them over and run. It will take out the camaras. Pretty sure you would get caught though, and I really don't think the risk is worth it.

I just read about these "Georgia Guidstones" in a magazine a couple of weeks ago.. I think the magazine if I remember was called "The Week" .. I'll try and find out the exact name, but it was the "June Issue" and the article was towards the middle/back of the magazine.. Fascinating article b/c it described how exactly and who built these Guidestones.. Its NOT some conspiracy.. but it is very intruiging and secretive. With out going into the whole story, I suggest anyone who is interested in how these guidestones were put there, and why and by whom.. read this article!! Especially for those who like 'cloak and dagger' stories, b/c this article with out a doubt is one of them..
and I found the article.. here it is :
www.theweek.com...

reply to post by questioningall


Im sorry, I dont see those containers as "coffins"....why would they use these as coffins?

If there were mass killings or deaths, it would be much easier to dig a big whole and bury everyone at one time...

What would they do with the them once they are filled with the body?

They seem to large, and where are the lids?

Does anyone understand the manpower it would take to bury tyhem individualy? Massive, and un useful.

I have no idea what they are for, but coffins doesnt seem to fit the description..

just my 2 cents...

reply to post by thegreatobserver


Coffins for animal victims of the swine flu?!!

You cannot be serious...really? You think they are going to bury virus infected animals..in coffin liners..hmmm.

Never mind the fact that animals are not getting the 'swine flu', not even animals of the swine kind (pigs). So there's two reasons why that's not likely.

1) Authorities are never going to spend money to bury animals (except the human variety), and 2) Animals are not catching the flu to start with! Even if they were, they would be shot, put into a pit and burnt.

Where do i start with your assessment of the stones and their message?

Ok...long story short.

The reason 'conspiracy theorists' are interested in the stones is because they were commissioned anonymously by a weird chap who gave the pseudonym of R.C. Christian, who said he was part of a select 'group'.

There was a lot of other weirdy stuff that went on too. Do a bit of research on the stones, and that should tell you why people are interested in getting to the bottom of the mystery of just who this group are or were, and what is the purpose of the stones.

Other than that, there is the messages themselves...this has angered Christian groups, because it seems to be rewriting the ten commandments, and inserting their own version.

All pretty harmless so far...except the general tone implies that 6 - 7 BILLION people must go the way of the Dodo in order to balance mankind's requirements with that of natures.

Then you have 'Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity'...right out of any National Socialist (Nazi) manifesto.
The phrase is Eugenics...engineering out unwanted 'genetics' from humanity. Unwanted genetics could be anything from inherited blindness, to undesirable racial traits or features...are you seeing it yet?

Further along, we have mention of a world court system. So kiss your country's sovereignty goodbye. (NWO)

Balance personal rights with social duties eh? IOW, we lose our individual rights and freedoms for the collective 'greater good'...are you seeing it....yet?

Nothing at all is evil with the concept of living in harmony with nature...we could use a lot more of that thinking...it IS evil however in it's implications.
In order to live in harmony with nature, we have to lose 80 - 90 % of the human population of the planet. How do you think this is going to be accomplished?

Think about it, and do some more thinking after that. Then follow the trail of where that thought leads you.

Originally posted by hotrodturbo7
The plastic tubs are burial vaults made by Vantage products in Covington, GA. Apparently they leased the land to store them there.

Vantage products vaults

Though what boggles my mind is that today's corporate culture is wrapped up in "Just in Time" manufacturing, why whould they make all these and stockpile them unless they are bought and paid for? It doesn't make sense to have all that money wrapped up in product, sitting in a field waiting unless someone already paid for them.

I'm glad you brought up the fact that these burial vaults are made by a private company and stored on land leased by the company. This isn't some giant government conspiracy to kill us all and have something to bury us in. For all those who think we're all going to be killed by the government tomorrow, you can rest easy. These vaults are regularly used in cemeteries. Calm down.

Anyway, to answer your question hotrod, I doubt it's a big deal for Vantage to make the vaults without having a immediate buyer. Eventually, there will be a buyer. People aren't going to stop dying.

Thanks for posting this hotrod and cutting through all the people who think the big bad government is going to kill us all tomorrow.

If, in fact, any of you still believe this is a giant government conspiracy and those vaults will be used to bury us all in, I leave you with a quote from Monty Python and the Holy Grail: "Run away! Run away!"

reply to post by open_eyeballs


There are separate lids, they are stacked separately nearby.

Yes, they are big...they are not going to hold a single body you know.

You could get at LEAST four people in one of these things, probably closer to five or six. And i doubt if eternity would be spent huddled up to your loved one's in one of these things either.

www.avoc.info...

Madison vault and internet mystery ‘solved’

By Wendell Dawson, Editor, AVOC, Inc

As often as I go online and real local and regional news, a local ‘story’ slipped up on me. I only became aware of the “Madison GA Vault Mystery” when I read the August 11, 2008, issue of the Morgan County Citizen.

The article dealt with the field storage of 10,000’s of burial vault liners on Industrial Drive (Lions Club Drive) in south Madison. It mentioned how the matter had become a national issue with many conspiracy theories about FEMA, CIA and the Federal Government. Google ‘Madison Georgia’ and the search brings up numerous links to many sites and articles about the large number of vaults along with all kinds of speculation. Was a major disaster or disease outbreak expected?

It turns out the truth was more simple. Many folks buy pre-need funeral services in this nation. The vaults are constructed at a Covington Factory (Vantage Products) and stored on a leased field at Madison.

Many area residents, like me, probably missed this ongoing mystery and speculation until it was recently explained by the company manufacturing the vaults.

www.morgancountycitizen.com.../7524

This quantity of burial vaults, Vantage’s Standard Air Seal model in black, also the least expensive model and the most in-demand, was made to cater to what Lacey calls the funeral industry’s “pre-need.” This “pre-need” occurs when people make arrangements for their funeral before they actually pass away, so that the family doesn’t have to go through the perceived stress of making the arrangements. When these arrangements are made, the products are paid for; obviously, though, they are not yet needed.

Contrary to the beliefs of the theorists, then, the burial vaults aren’t owned by the government, or FEMA. Instead, they’re owned by individuals, or not yet sold.

So, Vantage stores the product until the person dies, and the product is needed.

Further, pallets of the burial vaults are moved truckloads at a time, as there is space for a palate at the

“They’re not owned by any one individual, company or the government,” Lacey said.

Further, Vantage leases the land, located at 1200 Madison Industrial Boulevard, from Conyers Welding & Supply and has for four to five years, a fact confirmed by Conyers Welding & Supply. Conyers Welding & Supply took over the lease when the property was purchased from Robert Usury in 2000. Usury purchased the property in 1989, according to information provided by the Morgan County Tax Assessor’s Office and the Morgan County Online Public Property Portal.

The answer as to why the vaults are being stored in Madison? To put it simply, the Covington-based manufacturer got a good deal close to home.
“It was the most cost-effective place,” Lacey said.

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i live in the hudson valley(new york).. i read and saw the internet that there was a fema camp in otisville ny. so i decided to check it out because it was close to my town. i did a dry run with no cameras just to see what was there. besides the federal correction prison that is there, nothing was out of the ordinary. i could see how it would be a good spot to house fema camp but like i said there wasnt anything unusual. if everybody wants i can go back with a camera and take pictures. but i assure you its a lot of trees. but good post op.

reply to post by alkali


It's all very well you saying calm down mate, but if this is just an innocent product storage exercise as you suggest, why have we not seen these things piled up in fields along roadsides before?

I think it is possible these things were ordered by the government initially because of the bird flu worries of the early part of this decade, which hasn't happened. These things have been there for a number of years now, so cannot be a storage solution can it?

If it was just a cheaper place to put their wares, they are not selling are they, cos they're still there!

I think that the guidestones are a message to those left after most of the population is wiped off the face of the map. They were built to last a very long time and would be a perfect way to preserve a message. Of course we can't live by what it says now, with population being so high and what not, but the lucky bunch that does make it through will have a bit of knowledge to live by. If things could be done over again from the start, would we want the population to get so high, would we want the earth to get to the state it is in now? I wouldn't. Thats why there is no date for the opening of the time capsule. As soon as we know that we are doomed some one will add a date for the future population to open it.

questioningall, I take my baret off to you.

This is what it is all about: going out there and seeing with your own eyes and reporting back your findings....

Outstanding!!!

reply to post by questioningall


Great thread as usual, S & F! You put a lot of thought into your research and very hands on I have heard of the Guidestones, but never actually looked into it. Quite curious it is. Thanks for pointing me in this direction, I have some work cut out for me as well. Finally, a thread that is ATS worthy!

reply to post by spikey


yes, but that still doesnt answer the qyuestion how and where they would bury all these individual containers...

why not tak a bulldozer and dig a big whole? Why spend the money, and the manpower digging thousands of individual holes?

Doesnt make sense to me...I mean they could be coffins, its not like the government doesnt do very stupid things...