The little girl who talked about mean signs at the Obama town hall (Dem plant - proof)

Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
And I also didn't say anything at all about real people who are frustrated with the current climate. I know they exist and I support them speaking their minds, as long as they do it peaceably.

When somebody comes into your home and starts rearranging things even after you have asked them to stop peacefully, taking your TV's and items of sentimental value to you, telling you how you should wash your dishes, clean your house, and then taking the responsibilities away from you because they think "you aren't doing it right".

I would really like you to continue to peacefully air your grievances with them. If you don't stand up and shout and yell at them to stop, then you have no backbone and they are just going to continue to run over you.

That is where there country is at right now, the government has come in and done all these things, they have written to their reps, asking them to stop. They haven't listened.

The time to be "peaceful" is over now is time to be Mad and angry stopping short of violence to get them to listen.

[edit on 12-8-2009 by Hastobemoretolife]

Excellent analogy Hasto -
There are those who still desperately want to turn this into a right versus left fight between the blind or to say the usual "well, Bush did it" argument - which for some reason oblivious to me makes it Ok for Obama to do the same.

There are many of us who were most certainly against the pillaging Bush did to the taxpayers especially in his second term. Regrettably, we merely spoke out with family/friends/coworkers and hoped that the country would turn around. Although I never did support Obama, I figured that the presidential pendulum swing from right to left throughout history kind of kept the country in balance.

There is now a huge awakening of people who formerly supported one "side" or the other and we are finally seeing that none of them are truly for us. What Bush finished his presidency with not only embarrassed me since I did vote for him, but angered me. And while I did not vote for Obama (or McCain), I assumed things would change a little where they needed to, but Obama is full steam ahead with the very things that Bush did that angered me in the first place.

America is awakening and this generation is witness to people protesting for the first time who have never publicly protested. We are angry at the government as a whole, not the left or the right, but both. You don't fix a sinking ship by turning the cannons onto your own deck and telling the sailors it will help them. The arrogance of the government to think that we are too stupid or that we are too medicated to see what they are doing. All we want are representatives who actually represent us. They are supposed to answer to us, not control us. Unfortunately for the entire country, they refused to listen to us talk, they are refusing to listen to us yell, there is only one place where this path leads...

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Oh that makes sense...Dingle hires a African American to carry a sign of Obama as Hitler...in hopes that he would get a great deal of attention from the crowd and press...and then afterwards asks the guy to stick around and pass out flyers in favor of healthcare to the same crowd thinking people would not notice...? Does this sound probable? Logical?

Really? Anyone have there thinking caps on during this back and forth?

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"Strange" that may not be giving credit where credit is due. Two kinds of "strange" good strange and bad strange. Another kind of a particular strange is beyond # two (and recently discovered) for it represents a hold "new strange" a third choice. I am not some wizard of past foke lore but conculsions and efidence is just to "glaring" more so each day now. This 3rd choice of strange is very (exponentially so) bad and ugly. Just my simple observation of current events as they (more dangerously filter into various belief systems and making things horribly nasty for so many innocent people.

Originally posted by jsobecky
NH is not highly Democratic.

A. I said the AREA is highly Democratic.
B. New Hampshire is a BLUE state.

FOX News

About 1,800 people are expected for that midday event in the Democratic-leaning Seacoast region of the Granite State.

Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
What so people shouldn't even try?

I did not say that.

People are doing to first thing they know how to do when somebody is doing something they don't want them to do. Yell and scream and telling them NO and to STOP.

Two-year-olds do that, too. It's called a tantrum.

So don't knock on them for trying to make a difference.

I will knock on them. There is no excuse for the uncivil behavior I am witnessing. If you want to rant and scream, go right ahead, but I am not going to praise you for it.

Originally posted by Aziroth
We as a nation have been screaming at the administration for 50 years...the protests during the 60s and the 70s, the vast amount of political movements (hippies, beatniks, KKK, black panthers, ETC). Nothing has changed, in fact the administration gets a kick over verbal altercations, this I assure you.

Thank you. Nice post. If screaming and yelling and throwing a fit was going to work, it would have worked long before now.

Originally posted by maybereal11
Really? Anyone have ther thinking caps on during this back and forth?

I think the thinking caps have been deserted long ago...

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I think the thinking caps have been deserted long ago...

I lent mine to a fella a while ago and have not seen it since.
Nice to see you back BH.. I was afraid something horrible happened to after an inauguration celebration of some kind..

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by jsobecky
NH is not highly Democratic.

A. I said the AREA is highly Democratic.
B. New Hampshire is a BLUE state.

I have to support BH on this one, that particular city voted 70% to 30% for Obama.

I still contend that the tickets that were randomly given out went to a hugely Pro Obama crowd as evidenced by the election results. Sooner or later Obama is going to have his "Joe the Plumber II" moment in regards to healtcare reform. He will get his wish for tough questions.

Originally posted by Amerikan Patriot
It's obvious Osama does not respect the American people one bit! He obviously believed he could stage this little scripted event and we would be none the wiser for it? Well he is in for a rude awakening and I believe that awakening has begun! Those shills are the only ones Obotomized enough to believe him concerning his Osamacare plan!

And what of those people who are Bushwhacked into thinking that helping the American people is a bad thing?

This world get's scarier by the minute.

All of the shadow groups and lobbyists are coming out.

The Obama administration has called in the unions to "confront" town hall protesters, with the plants, misinformation, staged questions and answers etc....

This seems like a declaration of war on the American people... But really it is all just a well orchestrated plan to push through the most radical and dangerous agenda in the history of this nation. Given the changes they are seeking to make, and the expansion of government they desire along with the funneling of bailouts, pet projects and protections for the elite supporters of the agenda, it should come as no surprise that they will stop at nothing to deceive the people to get it done.

The key question is.... Have they underestimated the intelligence of the American people?

The answer to that question will come in the future elections in 2010 and 2012.

It's time to fire the Washington elite. Both republicans and democrats and put this country on a new independent more conservative path, one that will restore the most simple principles this nation was founded on, the American people deserve no more or less, and it is within their will to make it happen.

Say no to the Washington elite!


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WHO CARES....? Really?
The government has it's agenda...You on the left can point at the right and you on the right can point to the left..I'll stand on the side and watch BOTH parties who have been in control continue screwing up this country... You want to stop this kinda stuff from happening...Nation Health Care, Patriot Acts, HLS, Welfare ETC.... THEN STOP VOTING REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT!!!!!!!!
Give me a break...Some of you act like these poeple don't work for the same government that has been raping your money you work for and distribute it as they see fit.. They are ALL THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try waking up from your political comma and stop buying all the crap your favorite politician feeds you....ITS A SCAM!!!!!!!!!!!

This.
Is.
Stupid.

Someone politically active has a kid speak up and say something that the mother might want said? Who do you think bothers to attend these things?

Sure the growing manipulation of interest groups suck. But it's the eventual problem of a two-party system. Team gamesmanship.

The point is; are there mean signs or not? Oh, there are a bunch of wacky people calling for violence?

The disruptors are creating a situation that will justify pre-screening. Their tactics HELP abuse by the Democrats -- so why aren't you guys yelling at the Birther's and their ilk? If there is abuse of power -- this will rationalize it, which is why people on the LEFT, really, really try hard to be non-violent and non-threatening. I'm sure intellectually dishonest people will point to the Weatherman group of 40 years ago that attacked empty buildings. But I'm speaking to any adults who might be present.


There are a dozen of these anti-obama rantings, and I haven't seen anything that has risen to the average week of BushCo games, corruptions and power grabs yet.

Meanwhile, we have an economy in crisis, a healthcare system in a mess, and people getting at each other's throats. I think the Dems are doing a lackluster job right now -- but they get a total pass because of these STUPID arguments.

If you want to actually stop Democrats from being corrupt -- then go after corruption. Not fricken' worrying about the 6 degrees of separation from a girl talking about scary signs and Obama. If that's the BEST argument you guys want to lead with, then the Dems can pass the crappiest bills on the planet, and people will accept it, because to do otherwise would mean that they'd be associating with Birthers, and their Dumb and Dumber diatribes.

>> Seriously, I want Republicans to have some intellectually honest criticisms, but they are failing to impress anyone who is rational.

Originally posted by tsloan
WHO CARES....? Really?
The government has it's agenda...You on the left can point at the right and you on the right can point to the left..I'll stand on the side and watch BOTH parties who have been in control continue screwing up this country... You want to stop this kinda stuff from happening...Nation Health Care, Patriot Acts, HLS, Welfare ETC.... THEN STOP VOTING REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT!!!!!!!!

Give me a break...Some of you act like these poeple don't work for the same government that has been raping your money you work for and distribute it as they see fit.. They are ALL THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try waking up from your political comma and stop buying all the crap your favorite politician feeds you....ITS A SCAM!!!!!!!!!!!

As satisfying as it might be to throw up our hands; a corrupt Dem or a Repug can win with 10 discouraged votes as well as 10,000. The TOUGH thing is to hang in there and support good people one at a time -- people who don't just lobby for local handouts.

We have to get our elections back from manipulation and electronic voting. We have to end lobbying and a system where politicians are bribed by special interests.

Your plan of NOT voting, will get you nowhere.

I voted for Obama, as a better of two choices. I still think that was the right choice, even though I'd go for Kucinich in a heartbeat -- but the system is too corrupt for him. At least we have someone more lucid than the last 8 years.

But we have a long way to go, because the Corrupting lobbyists are still running Washington. Nobody is going to just hand us our Democracy and Liberty back.

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Oh I know where this road leads, we all do. I stopped short of saying it because I felt that it was already known.

You are right though, this isn't about right or left, because the path we are going down there won't be a right or left to argue about, it will only be the government mandated right and wrong.

People don't understand it though, people would rather criticize people that are trying to make a difference because it doesn't fit into their Utopian world view while not having any other ideas to offer up. That sickens me.

"Thank You Satan" errr I mean "Yes We Can" - youtube it

I watched it live and thought the moment he called on the kid, it was BS and planned.





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Good lord we are going to need a national healthcare plan to provide all the xanax the posters on this thread needs.


Seriously people, get a grip.

If the worst thing Obama does is stick a girl in the audience to ask questions, I will consider us pretty lucky.


ANd it just reeks of desperation that you put so much time and energy and hate into something so stupid.

somehow did a double sorry!

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I feel disgusted by the people that would attack the girl. So I will add my own personal experience to consider.

Back in 1988, as part of the Government class high school mock elections, I was forced to go to the county republican office to gather election material and research election work (promotional material, talking points, etc.) for not only local and state elections but the presidential one as well. I had met a state level politician and ran into him several times during different public events and eventually we had a talk to get to know one another of a more personal level as he admired my ability to "work" both a crowd and individuals.

His big questions were how I was so adept with the public and why he kept running into me at different functions. I explained both by my acting. Much like a politician, I have to keep my face in the public eye lest the public forget who I am. I had done plenty of time on stage to know how to be comfortable with a crowd and small groups, how to use comedic timing and feelers to see what kind of humor appeals to the crowd. And from there it was a more in depth conversation.

Fast forward a few weeks and I found myself invited to a republican fundraiser dinner, which was $100 a plate. Being an invited guest, mine would be free of course. Guest of honor was then Sen Dan Qualye. As luck would have it, I had to decline due to prior engagements that night. The politician was disappointed that I could not attend but respected that I had to honor other commitments. A few weeks later he spotted me at a campaign speech that then VP Bush was giving and afterwards invited me over to meet the Vice President after securing his permission. It was an odd feeling to be introduced to the Vice President as "This is the young man I was telling you about, Mr. Vice President. I would like to introduce you to ...". There was of course a handshake and I did ask a very unprepared question of when he was out in the middle of the Pacific all alone, waiting for the sub that came and picked him up if at that time he ever thought he would be here today on the cusp of winning the presidency. The far away look in his eyes told me that the question had really touched and him at the moment he was thinking of that time. His reply (well as it was a personal question and answer I will keep the exact words to myself) was essentially a no.

Back then, I was 17 and as far as I was concerned then, I had the world in my hand and could be whatever I wanted to become in life. I didn't consider being introduced to the VP as any huge deal compared to all the other things I did and could do at that time in my life. Although I would have liked to have met President Reagan and Nancy, not for the political aspect of it nor the "prestige" to have met a seated president. I wanted to discuss ways and means of breaking into film as an actor. And I knew if I made a good impression that I may get his support and weight of influence.

So, I can believe the context of the question originated from the girl due to her background, perhaps not the exact wording. I actually applaud her to be able to face Obama and ask the question and not be intimidated by having a powerful person's attention while all eyes in the crowd fell heavily on her. I am sure in her eyes that Obama is more than just a president but a superstar of sorts. When in that position most people do become somewhat intimidated.

I do have to add that much like her, Daddy Bush wasn't the first famous person I had met and certainly wasn't the last. I hope that she is able to choose to make her life however she feels is best for her, even if like me she fades into the background and become just an ordinary person living their life contrary to what others think you should have done.

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Originally posted by pavil

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by jsobecky
NH is not highly Democratic.

A. I said the AREA is highly Democratic.
B. New Hampshire is a BLUE state.

I have to support BH on this one, that particular city voted 70% to 30% for Obama.

I still contend that the tickets that were randomly given out went to a hugely Pro Obama crowd as evidenced by the election results. Sooner or later Obama is going to have his "Joe the Plumber II" moment in regards to healtcare reform. He will get his wish for tough questions.

It's not as Blue/Red as that.

NH demographic have been changing, they went for Obama, true. And the seacoast region, particularly Portsmouth, is blue.

The 2 largest metro regions of the state are Red, an untypical demographic, since urban areas are typically Blue.

But ticket holders were not limited to Portsmouth.

We have the unfortunate luck of being a border state of Mass. And we have been experiencing an influx of refugees from there, as they flee a state that is truly Blue. But unfortunately they bring Blue ideas along.

There are more Mass cars than NH cars along the southern border during an election, as they are brought in to try to influence the vote.

Sad, really. But hopefully not lost.

It proves Oman and his O-men are cowards. Yellow through and through.

They stacked the deck heavily in their favor out of fear. Oman and his groupies - I mean supporters - are running scared.

They're afraid astroturfers have actual roots. They're afraid of being confronted by actual opposition. They're afraid of hard questions no one in higher office would dare answer with real words above a whisper.

Cowards.

Walkswithfish: The key question is.... Have they underestimated the intelligence of the American people? The answer to that question will come in the future elections in 2010 and 2012.

I'd say they have nothing to worry about.
You really want to wait and do the whole vote thingy again?


As for those who think this ain't a big deal, politricks as usual, well, consider that Obama was going to be different, transparent... What a fake freakin' fraud he turns out to be.... yet many are still in denial and make up excuses for his sneaky, dastardly behavior. His health care reform plan is just soooo good he's gotta sneak it in through the backdoor. His argumentation is classic Straw Man: "blah blah pull the plug on granny blah blah"....

...as if all who oppose this bill believe that... what a great charismatic speaker...

When will the people finally give up all hope in representative democracy and see capitalism and government for what it truly is?

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