Judeo Christian religions are against real education

Consider this:

All Judaeo-Christian religions defy Satan/Lucifer.
The claim is that it is due to evil nature and corruption.

But, as many of you know, Lucifer (Lux Fare) is the representation of intellectual thought, enlightenment, the exercising of the mind and is in fact the very manifestation of that same free will which these religions claim a god gave us.

So, how is it that they can be against this archetype?

Well, let us suppose it has to do with the ability to build a society that serves a master is easier to do when the bulk of the people in it are ignorant of the objective reality that exists without their projections upon it.

The church raises it's people from very small and maintains them all throughout, clutching at the members with tales of the loss of a soul if they should fail to abide by the ways as dictated by the temple, the church, the mosque.

In the last 100 years in most western countries, religion and religious institutions have deteriorated for one reason and one reason alone, mass mandatory education.

This activity is slow but actually induces the true awakening. It's not the material you are taught in school, it is the fact that school is a giant exercise in inducing knowing. Induction of analytical and critical thinking takes hold when one acquires the tools for learning.

Because now we have significant portions of the population who can learn by their own wits by reading, observing and surmising based on extant knowledge and so on, we have in fact as societies become luciferian in scope.

This is not a bad thing or an evil thing. It is the path as intended.
Imagine, if we had a world where everyone on it was self aware, take responsibility and accountability for all their actions? Wouldn't that be something?

It would truly be an evolutionary step in the mind of humanity.

Do not expect things to happen in a day, a week or even in your own lifetime, but know, that as a species we will only move in one of two directions, onward to our end, or onward to our fulfilled destiny as beings within this integrated universe.

educate yourself.
think critically.
analyze things and take nothing at face value.
be skeptical.

at the same time, be compassionate, help others to become educated and rise above, seek meaning in your life by deeds that exemplify the best qualities you have to offer, lead by example and share with others your enthusiasm for this way.

It can only get better!

Stand on your feet, be awake and know!

Actually, most religions are just replacements for god in the form you are talking of, and the bible talks against such things. But at any rate, what you say is completely false. Let me guess, you read the genesis story?

Proverbs 8

10Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.

11For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.

12I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.

13The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

14Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.

And

Proverbs 9

1Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars:

2She hath killed her beasts; she hath mingled her wine; she hath also furnished her table.

3She hath sent forth her maidens: she crieth upon the highest places of the city,

4Whoso is simple, let him turn in hither: as for him that wanteth understanding, she saith to him,

5Come, eat of my bread, and drink of the wine which I have mingled.

6Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding.

7He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: and he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot.

8Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.

9Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.

10The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Plus alot more. What you know of religion is actually what I would call "Satanic". I do not belong to any religion, but I'm a big fan of Jesus and parts of the bible(I don't like Paul at all, so I don't use half the NT). And you should atleast try to understand what it is saying. If you really look at it, you will find that everything you think is bad and such is actually talked against.

For example, you see the churches doing things in the name of Jesus and God. Matthew 7 talks about that.

Matthew 7

20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

iniquity = sin. And the crusades and those things are completely against what is being taught.

And when you look at church leaders and such, completely against that as well. Just look at Matthew 23. See that list of things? Now, is that not the exact same thing you see in churches and such?

So, what you think religion and god is about, is actually pretty much backwards in most cases. Why is it that way? Because they killed anyone who didn't go along with their version of things - which is oddly enough prophecy Christians still wait to be fulfilled, even though it already has been for like over a thousand years.

Jesus for example speaks in parables to bring about understanding. Notice the proverbs verses about wisdom building a house, and the bread and wine(remember last supper). Jesus is a carpenter, what kind of houses does he build? Houses of wisdom and understanding, which is built within and is the real church - not those buildings and religions that teach acceptance and ignorance.

I know what you are saying, but you really gotta set religion aside and see things for yourself based on your own understanding. Don't look for ways to debunk what the religious people say, look for the truth in the words and such. Screw what they say and do, they are foolish - go in the way of understanding instead.

the religious institution is not the religion.

you cannot argue for the religious institution in it's current form by using scripture.

separate the two and you will see that what I say is not false at all.

fyi i am an apostate and what I am expressing is an extension of that.

Why do Christian home schooled children test higher academically then? This post has no basis in reality but shows an agenda to discredit religion as a whole with baseless and useless lies rather than to have any real information. Another fail from the atheist groups.

I am not a group.
I am not an atheist.
I am an apostate.

Where are you getting your facts on home schooled Christian children? I disagree. I would assert that privately school, secular students are intellectually tracking higher than both publicly schooled and religiously schooled.

Consider what passes for education in Islamic countries. Especially for women. If you don't know, go read, then distill and then come and comment.
Consider the view that is hoisted upon people as fact. The 10 commandments, god as a person and various other erroneous and assumptive items that are littered across the teachings of the church as opposed to the actual teachings.

I don't have a problem with Christianity. I appreciate christians, they are good people. I do not confuse them with their church sects or their political schisms.

I think it is pretty clear that I am talking about the established churches, temples and mosques of the Judeo-Christian establishments. This includes all the Middle Eastern based monotheistic religions which dominate western society.

But seeing as this will be viewed from a decidedly religious side with an inability to see the difference between the established church and the teachings which supersede that, then I may have to refrain.

Please read, and read carefully before making assumptions about what I am saying. It is VERY clear.

So, for instance, where do you find anything about a rapture in any biblical text?

Why do some churches insist on mixing old and new testaments when it is clear that the old testament is outdated in it's sentiment and it is lifted from older traditions.

Why tythe?

Why kneel if you have free will?

I will pose more questions.

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Or maybe the snake in the garden wasn't about "intellectual knowledge" it was about coming of age and sexuality, and the whole thing was a metaphor for puberty...

Originally posted by djusdjus
I am not a group.
I am not an atheist.
I am an apostate.

Where are you getting your facts on home schooled Christian children? I disagree. I would assert that privately school, secular students are intellectually tracking higher than both publicly schooled and religiously schooled.

Consider what passes for education in Islamic countries. Especially for women. If you don't know, go read, then distill and then come and comment.
Consider the view that is hoisted upon people as fact. The 10 commandments, god as a person and various other erroneous and assumptive items that are littered across the teachings of the church as opposed to the actual teachings.

I don't have a problem with Christianity. I appreciate christians, they are good people. I do not confuse them with their church sects or their political schisms.

I think it is pretty clear that I am talking about the established churches, temples and mosques of the Judeo-Christian establishments. This includes all the Middle Eastern based monotheistic religions which dominate western society.

But seeing as this will be viewed from a decidedly religious side with an inability to see the difference between the established church and the teachings which supersede that, then I may have to refrain.

Please read, and read carefully before making assumptions about what I am saying. It is VERY clear.

So, for instance, where do you find anything about a rapture in any biblical text?

Why do some churches insist on mixing old and new testaments when it is clear that the old testament is outdated in it's sentiment and it is lifted from older traditions.

Why tythe?

Why kneel if you have free will?

I will pose more questions.

As an apostate, you would rather believe any lie that would support or justify your leaving the faith of Christ. And any evidence that Christian homeschooling provides a better education and those who attend test higher than public schooled. I do not have the available information to present so you have me at a disadvantage, however I have seen the data, and do not agree with you that any kind of religion hinders academic growth, to make a statement like that is biased against religion in general.

But I guess apostates are not pure in heart are they, or you would have not made such an assumption.

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I would like to know what real education is and just who gets to define it.

The OP is another in the production line if Satans stooges! Apparently he has fallen for Satans lies.

Idea: Read the Bible, as the Holy Spirit to help you, and understand what it actually says. You will be glad you did.

Originally posted by A Fortiori
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Or maybe the snake in the garden wasn't about "intellectual knowledge" it was about coming of age and sexuality, and the whole thing was a metaphor for puberty...

Here is a interesting concept regarding the eve incident.........

the hybridization OF MAN that was STARTED right at the beginning, after God created mankind. Satan immediately entered the Garden of Eden after creation, with the plan to CORRUPT and HYBRID God’s creation of mankind! Satan "seduced" Eve! Her first-born son, Cain, was actually the SEED OF SATAN and Abel was Adam’s son (who Cain killed)!

Read Genesis 3:15 where God Himself reveals this evil seed! It’s right there in verse 15! God said that Satan had a "SEED", which causes us to ask, "WHERE did that SEED come from?" The FRUIT Satan tempted Eve with, resulted in the FRUIT OF HER WOMB being SATAN’S SEED! Satan zeroed in on Eve because she had the WOMB; she was the WOMB-MAN!

Then, in Genesis 6, it reveals that the Fallen Angels ALSO mixed with human women, which resulted in more evil offspring, the "men of renown", who were the gods of the people BEFORE the Flood (Zeus, Aphrodite, Hercules, etc.) They were NOT MYTHICAL! They actually existed before the Flood and they had supernatural powers because of being half-celestial beings.

The MAJOR EVIL PLAN of Satan from the beginning was to CORRUPT the SEED of mankind! God has always had a remnant of true humans and Noah apparently was the ONLY true human left (along with his family, with the exception of probably Ham). Genesis 6:9 says, "Noah was PERFECT (true human) in his GENERATIONS". Even though God knew Satan’s seed would continue after the Flood, He saw that the human race was about to be wiped out, so He started over again with Noah.

It is of UTMOST IMPORTANCE that we understand what the evil plan of Satan was IN THE BEGINNING, which STARTED in the Garden of Eden and has CONTINUED to this day! The HYBRIDIZATION of the human race! When this is understood, then everything else in the Bible is understood more fully. (Example: When teaching Mathematics, do you start with Calculus or do you start with 1+1=2?) You start at the BEGINNING! So to understand the whole END OF THE STORY in the Book of Revelation, you have to first understand the BEGINNING OF THE STORY in Genesis! What REALLY happened in the Garden of Eden? Once that is established, than God can reveal the WHOLE TRUTH more fully!

Throughout the Bible, the Nephilim (Satan’s seed) are evident! They were the "gods" (Baal, etc.) that the people were worshipping and making idols to! Have you asked yourself where the worship of those pagan gods came from? God is now revealing Truth as never before BECAUSE we truly are living in the End Time! And the way He is doing that is to take us back to 1+1=2, THE BEGINNING! We need to understand GOD’S PLAN first, BUT ALSO Satan’s plan, who is the ENEMY and the Bible says that we are not to be "ignorant of Satan’s devices"!

So Satan has "tampered with" the DNA of the human race! An example of this is the GM CROPS that Satan has caused to occur on the earth today. Once they are planted, they CANNOT be stopped, but will continue to MUTATE and CORRUPT even the good seed in the ground! There are now a MULTITUDE of these Nephilim on the Earth today, because of the evil DNA being planted into mankind, and the earth is now LIKE AS IT WAS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH (like Jesus said would happen in the End Time in Matthew 24)!

www.endtimez.com...

[edit on 11-8-2009 by 297GT]

I am still waiting for a source where christian home school students test higher. Question for christians, do you want your children to not learn science in school? Do you think its not propper for them to be taught the "scientific way of life", do you consider another one of "satan's stooges"(sorry, that term killed me a little)

Originally posted by speakplain
The OP is another in the production line if Satans stooges! Apparently he has fallen for Satans lies.

Idea: Read the Bible, as the Holy Spirit to help you, and understand what it actually says. You will be glad you did.

This is laughable. No offense, but from my perspective, you are typical of those who are blinded by what they are told to believe.

That would make you the stooge for the church.
I would suggest that your read the gospels and therein you will find great conflict with the idea of an established church as far as Christianity is concerned.

As for temples of the Jewish faith, what do you think of the old testament which is tantamount to the Hebrew bible give or take a book?

And the Quran? Do you think Islamic school is a reasonable substitute to an actual education?

The problem with the original post is that it rests on the massive assumption that "Lucifer (Lux Fare) is the representation of intellectual thought, enlightenment, the exercising of the mind".

Sorry, but I don't think that at all.

To make a quantum leap from that assumption to saying that "Judeo-Christian religions are against real education" is laughable. Sorry.

Originally posted by Roark
The problem with the original post is that it rests on the massive assumption that "Lucifer (Lux Fare) is the representation of intellectual thought, enlightenment, the exercising of the mind".

Sorry, but I don't think that at all.

To make a quantum leap from that assumption to saying that "Judeo-Christian religions are against real education" is laughable. Sorry.

Autowrench:
I have to agree. I myself went on the path of enlightenment many years ago, and there was nothing Lucifer about it. Even the Occult. Enlightenment comes from many places, many books and writings. On my path, I never met any devils or demons, except my own, of course. I once made ritual and tried to call up the Devil, but all I got was a being called Set, who told me he is not Satan, nor the Devil either. I once met and talked to Re, or Ra, who told me he had been worshipped as a God, to his dismay, and assured me that he wasn't a deity at all, but a higher dimensional being.

I do have to agree that the Christian religion is against a real education in everything of a non-Christian nature. In our local, southern Ohio library the Christian oriented books are clearly marked with a god cross. Nothing is any other religion in there either.

Originally posted by Roark
The problem with the original post is that it rests on the massive assumption that "Lucifer (Lux Fare) is the representation of intellectual thought, enlightenment, the exercising of the mind".

Sorry, but I don't think that at all.

To make a quantum leap from that assumption to saying that "Judeo-Christian religions are against real education" is laughable. Sorry.

In context to the religions I am speaking of, Lucifer is completely relevant.
quantum means 'very small'.

there is no leap required.
I am not writing about satanism, I am not criticizing Christianity, Islam or Judaism per se as much as I am challenging the value of the hierarchical orders of the various churches temples and mosques and how they are ultimately corrupted and all move away from the teachings they purport to support.

which by measure of their deeds, they do not.

As well, despite the lack of evidence, it is these institutions that perpetuate their metaphysics as facts.

How can one rely on any of them? IN my opinion, we cannot and we must evolve away from these institutions, take responsibility for each and every action we take and be accountable for each and every action we take.

I am not blessed for having what I have, I worked hard for it.
I am not moved by external pernicious influences and I don't view anyone else as that either exempting those who have sever chemical imbalance and are not in control of their faculties.

what value do these corrupted institutions have to any of us anymore if they generate empty heads, full bellies and perpetuate lies that prevent people involved with them from growing into full and accountable beings?

?

anyone?

After becoming a Christian, I began to become curious in asking myself, "how did God do it?" in regards to science. My focus in public high school became Biology, though continued to hold an interest in Chemistry. After obtaining my Bachelor's in Biology, I'd learned a number of things such as how accurate the programming of our DNA must be to function as well as the many 'checks' are in place to ensure that life works as it was intended. My first job in science was as a protein expression specialist part-time, whereas my current is as a biochemist in manufacturing and testing drug testing kits. I love my work, I love to learn, I was driven by my desire to get to know God better.

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Originally posted by djusdjus
In context to the religions I am speaking of, Lucifer is completely relevant.
quantum means 'very small'.

there is no leap required.

In the vernacular, the term "quantum leap" has come to mean "an abrupt change".

The leap exists between 1.) Christianity's perception of their archenemy, Satan 2.) your perception of Satan, and 3.) your conclusion that because they are opposed to Satan (whom you identify as representing intellectual thought and enlightenment) they are therefore opposed to "true" education and/or learning.

This is a bit of a stretch, mate.

Originally posted by djusdjus
I am not writing about satanism,

Are you not? Isn't your definition of what Satan represents (exercising of will etc) EXACTLY what modern Satanists believe? Check out Anton La Vey. His thoughts mirror yours.

Originally posted by djusdjus
I am not criticizing Christianity, Islam or Judaism per se as much as I am challenging the value of the hierarchical orders of the various churches temples and mosques and how they are ultimately corrupted and all move away from the teachings they purport to support.

Well, you haven't actually demonstrated any of this at all. You've just made vague statements that they have "deterioriated" somehow.

Originally posted by djusdjus
which by measure of their deeds, they do not.

Which deeds, dude?

Originally posted by djusdjus
As well, despite the lack of evidence, it is these institutions that perpetuate their metaphysics as facts.

This is true. They have certain beliefs and the nature of beliefs is that... well, err... they are believed to be true. You or I may disagree that they are true. That's our prerogative. Is that essentially what this thread is about?

Originally posted by djusdjus
How can one rely on any of them? IN my opinion, we cannot and we must evolve away from these institutions, take responsibility for each and every action we take and be accountable for each and every action we take.

I am not blessed for having what I have, I worked hard for it.
I am not moved by external pernicious influences and I don't view anyone else as that either exempting those who have sever chemical imbalance and are not in control of their faculties.

what value do these corrupted institutions have to any of us anymore if they generate empty heads, full bellies and perpetuate lies that prevent people involved with them from growing into full and accountable beings?

Still not sure what your point is (possibly because I haven't had my coffee yet). Are you simply suggesting that humankind should abandon religion? Religion is bad etc? Religious institutions are all bad?

Faith has an important role in a lot of people's lives and, whilst I am not a believer myself, I recognise that a lot of amazing people throughout history have been possessed of faith, and not been poorer for it. In fact, in many cases, it strengthens rather than detracts from, a person's character.

I think that the basic systems of ethics within mainstream religions, if practiced sincerely, are a good thing for humankind. Depending on a person's approach to their faith and the ethics therein, religion can make a person more accountable for their actions, rather than less.

You'll always get fanatical, self-serving, and even evil people in all walks of life, including religion, but the same people would manifest in a world without it as well.

Anyway, I don't want to derail the thread or anything. We obviously believe differently, and that's cool too.

Cheers.

Originally posted by djusdjus
Consider this:

All Judaeo-Christian religions defy Satan/Lucifer.

In those religions the people of the respective religion see Satan as somebody who attacks them and is trying to mess with them.

The claim is that it is due to evil nature and corruption.

But, as many of you know, Lucifer (Lux Fare) is the representation of intellectual thought, enlightenment, the exercising of the mind and is in fact the very manifestation of that same free will which these religions claim a god gave us.

So, how is it that they can be against this archetype?

The archetype you presented is not correct, as you yourself stated in the first sentence above.

You are confusing and substituting what the teaching says to oppose with what some ignorant people are oposing because of their ignorance..

The teaching does not oppose "intellectual thought, enlightenment, the exercising of the mind". You can see that in the quotes badmedia gave you:

Proverbs 8

10Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.

11For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.

12I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.

13The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

14Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.

So in fact you have things reversed. It is the YHWH who is pro "intellectual thought, enlightenment, the exercising of the mind".

2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Just because you call an apple an orange doesnt turn it into an orange.

Just because somebody told you Lucifer is enlightenment doesnt make it so.

But, as many of you know, Lucifer (Lux Fare) is the representation of intellectual thought, enlightenment, the exercising of the mind and is in fact the very manifestation of that same free will which these religions claim a god gave us.

Actually Lucifer is the embodiment of FAKE ENLIGHTENMENT.

Shiny on the outside rotten on the inside.

Well, let us suppose it has to do with the ability to build a society that serves a master is easier to do when the bulk of the people in it are ignorant of the objective reality that exists without their projections upon it.

I have to translate that before I can answer it (LOL).

There is a "master" who blinds people by making them project things over reality, so that they see the projection instead of the actual reality, and by controlling the projection, control over the society is exercised.
(it took me 5 mins to translate that)

You just described Satan man:

Luke 4:5-7
The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, "I will give you all their authority and splendor, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. So if you worship me, it will all be yours."

The above is part of the tempting of Jesus in the desert.

Notice the quote: "splendor, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to".

Now this sounds more like the real Lucifer.

And speaking of projecting your own things over reality. All the things you said about theese religions are in fact reversed as you can see for yourself.

Do you think that maybe you too are projecting things over objective reality ?

[edit on 12-8-2009 by randomguy]

Originally posted by djusdjus
The church raises it's people from very small and maintains them all throughout, clutching at the members with tales of the loss of a soul if they should fail to abide by the ways as dictated by the temple, the church, the mosque.

Yes, unfortunately there are churches who do that. But you are confusing what they do with what they are suposed to do if they actually follow the teaching, which they are not.

Jehovah agrees with you on this point:

Isaiah 58:

4 Your fasting ends in quarreling and strife, and in striking each other with wicked fists. You cannot fast as you do today and expect your voice to be heard on high.

5 You humble yourselves by going through the motions of penance, bowing your heads like a blade of grass in the wind. You dress in sackcloth and cover yourselves with ashes. Is this what you call fasting? Do you really think this will please the LORD?

6 "No, the kind of fasting I want calls you to free those who are wrongly imprisoned and to stop oppressing those who work for you. Treat them fairly and give them what they earn.

7 I want you to share your food with the hungry and to welcome poor wanderers into your homes. Give clothes to those who need them, and do not hide from relatives who need your help.

8 Then your light will break forth like the dawn, and your healing will quickly appear; then your righteousness will go before you, and the glory of the LORD will be your rear guard.

Jesus agrees with you:

Matt 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.
(Matthew 23:13-15)

Theere are lots of "false prophets" out there, and their stuff is affecting you just as much as it is affecting the "brainwashed religionists".

It is affecting you in a diferent way, but it is still affecting you.

You arent fooled into accepting them as right, and listening to them, but you ARE fooled into thinking they are real, and true christians.

And since this is how they are, you think this is what true christianity is supposed to be.


You who brag about the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law?
As it is written: “God’s name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you." (Romans 2:23-24)

But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called ‘teacher,’ for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
(Matthew 23:8-10)

Because now we have significant portions of the population who can learn by their own wits by reading, observing and surmising based on extant knowledge and so on, we have in fact as societies become luciferian in scope.

You see, you are doing it again, you have confused and reversed the roles.

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Lucifer is the embodiment of SUPERFICIAL, FAKE ENLIGHTENMENT.

Shiny on the outside rotten on the inside.

Ezekiel 28:

12 “‘You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.

13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl.

Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared.

14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you.

You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones.

15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you.

16Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned.

...till wickedness was found in you.

16Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned.


And again:

Isaiah 14:

5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?