Absolute Proof! No Planes on 911 !!! (Jim Fetzer Interviews John Lear - 7-27-09)

Originally posted by _BoneZ_

Originally posted by ATH911
BoneZ, what do you think hit the towers?

Planes, period.

That was a really hard question.

OK, what type of planes?

(And you can refrain from posting your smartalec-JREF-style snide comments.)

Originally posted by VitalOverdose
well if you had listened to the videos you would have heard an independent world expert saying the planes cant fly that low at that speed

Which is complete and utter BS. True, a jetliner cannot take off and reach 500mph near sea level as the engines aren't powerful enough to reach those speeds.

But the second plane was coming down from altitude and didn't level out until the last 2-3 seconds before impact. A plane does not need it's engines to increase it's speed when coming down from altitude as it already has gravity increasing it's speed. The second plane could have easily maintained it's 500mph speed coming down from altitude and not even need to use it's engines. And since it was only near sea level for a few seconds, that would not have been enough to significantly reduce the plane's speed before impact.

That is flight dynamics 101. Anyone can test this themselves in any flight simulator.

Originally posted by VitalOverdose
the speed reported was the same as a missile.

That is also false. A quick Google search tells me that missiles travel anywhere between mach 1.5 to 4.5. And 767-200's cruise speed is around .75 mach or 2 times slower than a missile. Then there's the fact that missiles don't have 160-foot wingspans.

Originally posted by ATH911
OK, what type of planes?
(And you can refrain from posting your smartalec-JREF-style snide comments.)

And you can refrain from playing games. 767's hit the towers. We're not going to waste time and bandwidth doing this little back and forth asking single little questions that have already been answered. Get to your point already.

Originally posted by _BoneZ_

And you can refrain from playing games. 767's hit the towers. We're not going to waste time and bandwidth doing this little back and forth asking single little questions that have already been answered. Get to your point already.

You seem to know what hit the towers, so I'm simply asking. SHEESH!

Why so defensive if you are confident in your beliefs? I'm my experience, people who are not confident in their beliefs (or worse, intentionally lying) get defensive when asked simple questions.

So the 767's you believe hit, where they Flight's 11 & 175 with their alleged passengers, empty stock drones, or modified empty drones (like reinforced shell, pod, etc)?

That is also false. A quick Google search tells me that missiles travel anywhere between mach 1.5 to 4.5. And 767-200's cruise speed is around .75 mach or 2 times slower than a missile. Then there's the fact that missiles don't have 160-foot wingspans.

I don't think you have watched the videos you know.. or you would have quoted the speed for the specific missile mentioned in the film..



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Originally posted by VitalOverdose
I don't think you have watched the videos you know.. or you would have quoted the speed for the specific missile mentioned in the film..

Like anybody would really know what type of missile it was even if that were remotely plausible.

It doesn't really matter because John's opinions don't come close to refuting the thousands of witnesses, dozens of videos, and the physical damage to the towers.

I keep saying it, someone's opinions aren't proof of anything but a wild imagination.

I keep saying it, someone's opinions aren't proof of anything but a wild imagination.

You have to agree an educated guess from an independent expert is not worthless.That guy knows more about planes right now than you or i could ever hope to in a lifetime.


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Originally posted by VitalOverdose
That guy knows more about planes right now than you or i could ever hope to in a lifetime.

That may be true, however his affidavit and the things he's said in it are either from him producing a hoax, or he has some form of dementia, because they're absolutely false no matter how much he knows about planes. I don't see a single pilot here or at Pilots for Truth coming to his aid. Not surprising either.

Originally posted by ATH911
So the 767's you believe hit, where they Flight's 11 & 175 with their alleged passengers, empty stock drones, or modified empty drones (like reinforced shell, pod, etc)?

There was no pod, that is disinfo. As for the rest, I don't really care at this point whether there were passengers or whether the planes were empty. There were planes and that's all we need to know until there's a new investigation.

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In a situation like this i try to not believe one bit of info over another unless i can make some very solid links. But one things for sure i want to hear everything i can on the subject so i can make an informed opinion and i do honestly think the guy in the video put across some interesting points that are worth considering. But like i said before.. i think the planes were just the attention grabbers. I doubt there is much important info to be gained from them.

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You continue to look at the info. Most of the rest of us did that years ago and already know that the no-planes argument is disinfo.

John Lear and his claims become self-refuting to his own claims. For example; if you there are holograms so advanced that can look that real, then the whole ufo thing could just be holograms.

If the military is that advanced, then maybe 9/11 never happened and we were just 'deceived' into thinking it happend.

I'm not above begging, in the interest of saving time and effort and bandwidth.

PLEASE! Please, anyone who wishes to hang their hat on John Lear's opinion, and it IS is opinion, Please, I'm begging you, read the transcript of his interview with Project Camelot. Although I am a listed contributor to PC, I wish you to actually read the interview CLICK HERE

The interview has four parts. About halfway down Part 1, Mr. Lear talks about his theory of the WTC strike. It is very eye-opening. The remaining 3 parts are equally revealing. Please, [rebegging], just read and decide.

If you want to endorse Mr. Lear as your "proof" of NPT, ........ nevermind. I'll take back my own hyperbole. Just read. Decide. Use critial thinking. I don't even care if you return to thank me for giving you a head's up before you got too entrenched in Mr. Lear's view. If you read and understand and make up your own mind independent of mine and others' view, that will be thanks enough.

Originally posted by videoworldwide
We know everything that comes from your keyboard is disinfo, and we saw through that a long time ago.

First off, stop saying "we". You are the only person in this thread by yourself peddling the no-plane disinfo. Killtown, socialservice, Simon Shack, and all the other disinfo artists are probably all the same person. And you could be any of them.

Secondly, are you going to start showing us proof anytime soon or are you going to keep spamming the forum and wasting bandwidth?

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Keep it coming.....



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Do yourself a favor VideoWW. There's no shame to it. Truly. Read John's interview transcript in my link above.

I say this to you not as an adversary or opponent, but as a person who cares about others. You don't have to tell me about what you found. Just read.

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Oh, I will read it. I'm not avoiding anything. I am real busy, that's why the short comments.
After my work, i'll get on it.



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If this really was "absolute proof" that there were no planes on 9/11 then I think this thread would have A LOT more flags by now.... lol...

So I don't think I'll waste any time reading it...

I'm Not sure this is absolute proof but I can say this. I did listen to the interview and crunched some numbers and it is all coorect. It is literally impossible for those jets to fly at those speeds at those altitudes for any extended duration of time. I always get a kick out of the guys that claim to be pilots and claim to be as experienced as lear. I believe it is a fact that he holds more ratings than any other pilot in history. I don;t care how many hours they have, he was a test pilot and is also an engineer if I am not wrong and I would take his word over anyone in these forums as to the abilities of alledged jets that hit the towers. I also find it arrogant that so many guys can come here and psot as to how crazy the theory of No planes is when they don't even do the work of investigating and listening to the interview and /or researching all the evidence. Like brain washed Lambs bleeting "there is no New World Order", they are. Arrogant little brainwashed Sheeple. To all of you that believe in the New World order and illuminati I say give me absolute proof! There is non! But yet some how you believe it. Thats because the evidence is overwhelming. Instead of jumping all over the OP, try actually doing some work and look into the theory and you just might start to see there is an aweful lot of evidence that leads to there being NO Planes. Maybe not absolute, but an aweful lot. But then theres ust all the paid bloggers for acorn, pentigon, DHS, and whatever Gov agency and they will always be posting dribble. Don't let them get to you OP, they will learn the error of thier ways when the veil starts to really come off and the riders are in full march. But then it will be too late for them.

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