What I figure the Mark of the Beast will be

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and your plan is to determine what this mark is so that you can go around accusing random people of being a part of some Satanic plot and having rejected God?

See this is the problem...I often go around accusing people of being fanatics and you are why. You don't want understanding you want to deflect attention from yourself I think.

A person who thinks that they possess the ability to know the difference between Good and Evil or are trying to achieve this ability. For anyone that doesn't want to end up in the insane asylum...know one thing...you cannot see the mark of the Beast or know it all you can know is what you are. Trust that.



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Originally posted by IDK88
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and your plan is to determine what this mark is so that you can go around accusing random people of being a part of some Satanic plot and having rejected God?

See this is the problem...I often go around accusing people of being fanatics and you are why. You don't want understanding you want to deflect attention from yourself I think.

A person who thinks that they possess the ability to know the difference between Good and Evil or are trying to achieve this ability. For anyone that doesn't want to end up in the insane asylum...know one thing...you cannot see the mark of the Beast or know it all you can know is what you are. Trust that.



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When the mark is given, and everyone is told that you will have to have this to buy or sell and it is the only way you can do it, then we will all know what the mark is. i am not trying to "search" out and see what the mark will be. I am not going to go around and accuse anyone of anything in that day and time, everyone will have to make their own choices. No one will have to go around accusing anyone of anything, because the mark will distinguish which side you have chosen.

I often go around accusing people of being fanatics and you are why.

Well maybe you should stop basing your accusations on what you THINK other people are and form your own opinion.

You don't want understanding you want to deflect attention from yourself I think.

I understand everything that I need to on this subject. I know which path I will choose when the time comes. And what attention is it exactly that I have? I am not trying to deflect anything. If anyone is trying to deflect here....it is you sir.

A person who thinks that they possess the ability to know the difference between Good and Evil or are trying to achieve this ability. For anyone that doesn't want to end up in the insane asylum...know one thing...you cannot see the mark of the Beast or know it all you can know is what you are. Trust that.

I do posses the ability to know the difference between Good and Evil, and so do you. It was engrained in you at birth, and taught to you by your parents (hopefully). If you need any further definition of what is good and evil, just point your eyes to the Bible.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one IDK88. Thanks for posting your views.

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That's funny, I thought that the only way to be able to know Good and Evil was to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil; so as to be like God. I assure you, I cannot tell the difference between Good and Evil and whenever I think that I've figured it out, I turn out to be wrong. I simply try and live my life the best I can.

But it must be nice for you that you possess the abilities of God, here on the Earth.

Originally posted by IDK88
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That's funny, I thought that the only way to be able to know Good and Evil was to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil; so as to be like God. I assure you, I cannot tell the difference between Good and Evil and whenever I think that I've figured it out, I turn out to be wrong. I simply try and live my life the best I can.

But it must be nice for you that you possess the abilities of God, here on the Earth.

I never said I have the abilities of God.....the Bible will tell you the difference between good and evil, you should try reading it sometime. I tried to end the conversation with you on a positive note, but obviously you are not capable of accepting or doing that. Thank you for the spirited debate, but how unfortunate that you have to end it like a child. I wish you well, and bid you goodbye sir.

Directed at the OP:

Perhaps the Mark of the Beast is the claim that men make that they know Good and Evil and are therefore like God; as per Genesis.

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Jesus was a man....are you saying he has the mark of the beast? He said he knew the difference between good and evil.



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I thought this was completely obvious...Jesus, being the Son of God and a Rabbi are incompatible. Why would the Son of God, King of Kings, be involved with a scheme that involved the worship of himself?

He did what he did to illustrate a point...that the Fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is Religion and Priests are the Serpent; thus it seems that people walking around asserting that they know Good and Evil, which is quite explicitly stated to be the differentiating quality of God, along with everlasting life, are the ones that consumed the fruit, which God forbade, at the suggestion of the serpent to obtain this ability. So this should be considered to be a candidate for the mark of the beast.

Mystery solved. If anyone ever tells me that they know Good and Evil, I know that they follow the directions of the Serpent and are her sincere friends and lovers.

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So you are saying that because Adam and Eve ate the fruit, that they in fact, took the mark of the beast? Am I understanding you correctly?

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I am suggesting that it seems about right. The title of the chapter where they eat the fruit isn't entitled "The Rise of Man" but "The Fall of Man".

I was under the impression that eating the fruit was universally accepted as a negative turn of events in their lives; thus they would have better off not knowing Good and Evil or having their eyes open.

The fall of man has to do with Adam and Eve making a choice with the free will they were given. It does not mean that they took the mark of the beast. You are correct in saying that eating the fruit was a negative turn of events (thus putting all of mankind under a curse), but that is not the taking of the mark of the beast. The mark of the beast is still to come.....

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Well, during this great adventure I call my life I once encountered an Albuquerque Police Officer that I think had the mark of the Beast.

It was a long scar extending from the right temple and down along the hair line all the way to the left side on the neck. I noticed it while sitting in the back of his squad car when he was attempting to intimidate me. I meditated on this person for personal reasons and it was revealed to me that he'd been kicked in the head by a horse, nearly died, but was healed.

Nevertheless, I have some inside info that this whole idea that only recipients of this mark will have a life worth living while God's people suffer unimaginably has experienced a major setback and won't be implemented any time soon. Apparently, something showed up that they didn't properly prepare for and as things are this Beast Kingdom is a minmum of 33.5 years away and that's assuming a complete reversal of fortunes at this very moment, which isn't happening. I suppose you guys can always hold out hope though.

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Nevertheless, I have some inside info that this whole idea that only recipients of this mark will have a life worth living while God's people suffer unimaginably has experienced a major setback and won't be implemented any time soon.

Really?.........care to share?

Intesting concept. Practically speaking its a chip. We already have chips in our bank cards and credit cards. All stores etc are having their machines changed to those that recognize and use the chipped cards as well as the strip. I forget the exact date for the removal of the strip, but soon it will only be chipped cards.

If they remove physical money as intiquated and everyone has to rely on chipped based transactions, it's quite easy to see how you couldn't buy or sell w/o it.

Oh and what's very interesting is that I believe they passed a law to make it criminal to help a 'terrorist'. It means you lose your rights to everything and are basically an outcast as well. When looking at the word terrorist, its certainly worth noting that they've claimed everyone from constitutionalists to Ron Paul supporters terrorist.

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Prophecy concerning the future is based upon actual occurences of the past, which is easy enough to understand. The Satanic way is to "Re-live" past events, they want humanity to repeat its history, but the history hasn't repeated as different choices have been made.

What if Eve didn't eat the Fruit...then none of the successive events would have occured. Let's say Eve still eats the Fruit, but Adam does not...A battle is fought, but a different time line emerges. It's somewhat more complicated and long winded, but the short version of the information I got was that we are all currently on a different timeline. Beast operatives are constantly trying to build detours, switching systems, to their desired timeline, but they do so under constant fire and with little time.

Understanding prophecy is apparently used to identify the Mark of the Beast when it occurs. It's a highly passive and assumes that the system must appear, when this is not the case. While prophecy can identify certain events which must occur, like the Seduction of Eve at the Tree, it can't claim to always being accurate as to the outcome of the event; like Eve taking the Fruit and jamming it up the Serpent's a$$. God is infinite, thus the outcomes vary.

The major anticipated event that could have led to the Mark of the Beast situation occured in November 2005, the actual outcome put the world on a different timeline. When we switch timelines things tend to collapse, bridges, buildings and even whole States. It's not that this situation of the beast mark cannot arise, its just not statistically plausible. Thus people may have the mark, but they are not in a world where they want to reveal it, so it remains hidden. Tearing them up on the inside. They scream quietly in the darkness, while I laugh out loud.

The collapse of the global financial system last September...what I like to call The Real 9/11, was the result of a failure to accomplish certain tasks and the probability of a specific future fell to zero. The Beast system...can't exist because the Whore system (global finance/investing) crumbled; there exists noone to finance it. All the agents or operators who would implement and manage this system are currently fully dependent upon the system as it is...the one they hate so much.

A potential Beast exists, but its not probable or from my point of view statistically plausible in the near term. I calculate that at any given moment, without a major change, it is no less than 33 years away minimum and anyone stupid enough to try and implement it would be doing nothing more than committing suicide...physical or career.

The war then for God's people is reduced to little more than making certain outcomes impossible. As this happens, the components of the Beast system collapse as we can see on the news on a daily basis.

Some things I just wrote may not make sense, but try and understand that only about 38 years worth of time is real in this world; everything else is memorex.

So your entire hypothesis is based on the free will given to us by God, and that at any given point, the end (or the beast) is only about 33 years away (hope I got that right, not looking at the actual response you wrote right now). But, as we choose different paths, the time lines change and alter the course....inevitably pushing back the 33 years. Is that correct? Not so sure I understand the part you wrote about the mark though.

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People love to mock, as usual.

I agree with you.

Have the mark of God upon you, brother.

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(Chuckle)



(tho' it is MY experience that there is NOTHING you can say that will help these "Christians" see reason......but it is fun trying!)

Originally posted by desertdreamer
So your entire hypothesis is based on the free will given to us by God, and that at any given point, the end (or the beast) is only about 33 years away (hope I got that right, not looking at the actual response you wrote right now). But, as we choose different paths, the time lines change and alter the course....inevitably pushing back the 33 years. Is that correct? Not so sure I understand the part you wrote about the mark though.

Based on what I have seen even if all the gains that have been made by humanity were reversed today...it would still take 33 years minimum for the Beast system to fully reveal itself in your day to day lives.

It, kind of, came close in late 2005 to early 2006, but has been experiencing catastrophic losses quite regularly ever since. When I say close, I mean this world 3 years ago could have been pulled into another dimension and you'd all know what it is you are looking for I think they may call it Planet X.

I base this on the observation that a kind of Fall of Adam and Eve occured in the early 70s (1973/74 perhaps, which was commemorated by fall of Nixon and appointment of Ford (Beast president) the loss in Vietnam to global communism and worldwide urban social collapse and the rise of street gangs which formed a major part of the Beast military and law enforcement. So from 1973/74 to 2005/6 was about 33 years...

What I am trying to illustrate is that Time is a key component in a high quality defense scheme and has been used to protect you. You are not separated from what wants to destroy and enslave you just by space but also by time...you are in a different dimension.

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That is a very interesting idea that you have, I guess that most of us do not think multi-dimensionally, or even consider time past what we see on our watches or a clock. Thanks for the explanation.

Originally posted by IDK88
The Beast from the Bible, at least three are described, is an extra-dimensional being that loosely fits the description I provided above; the one that is on the seashore. What you are describing are aspects of this Beast which you expect to appear in the world of men, but that you will never see or know except for your own mark because the Beast's mark is kept concealed so that only the recipient and the Beast itself know what it is...your relationship with that thing is very personal. And if you do see this mark, don't even freak out because you are already in Hell and it doesn't matter for you anymore anyway.

But I suppose it's doesn't matter much anymore because the Beast was destroyed and cast to Hell on 28 August 2007 and those that are carrying its mark on Earth are more concerned with staying out of Hell than implementing some ill conceived world government.

But it is fun to revisit what has occured.


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There's also nothing in the bible about inter-dimensioanl beings, let alone othe dimensions. I think that's just your interpretation, or someone elses that you've read and agree with, and that's fine.

But you have to remember, the 'on the skin' mark of the beast is how it was interpreted back in those days. Today we can interpret it in another way given that technology has progressed.
I dunno it may very well turn out to be some kind of mark, a barcode maybe, on our skin.
But it just as likely may turn out to be a chip with all our details on it that can be tracked under our skin, in our right hand.

As for not every place having scanners, I beg to differ.
You already have to scan your ticket when entering a sporting venue.
You already have to have your packaged food and other goods scanned at the shops.
Eftpos and credit card facilities are available in almost every shop, very few in fact do not have at least eftpos.
You even have a library card that has a barcode that is scanned nowdays.
Government employees even have to scan in to get access to car parks and office buildings, and I'm sure many large corporations also operate similarly.

Swap all these for 'chip' scanners.
Add additional scanners at hospitals, police stations, small doctors surgeris and medical clinics, etc etc.
And as you see it's not too dificult to implement the system. The only difficult part is getting the populace to go along with it.

Christ people, they even have chip implants for our cats and dogs now incase they get lost. When found they are scanned in a specific location where the chips are placed and all the details are brought up, ie owner, address and phone number, vaccinated, desexed etc.

We aren't very far away from such big brother measures being implemented. A lot closer then some people think. Obamas election over McCain may or may not stall the process, but it will be tried at least sooner or later.

What was it that I believe General Tommy Franks once said a few years ago? It would only take one more major attack on an American city to implement marshall law in the United States.