Growing Civil Unrest In England

Originally posted by stumason

Originally posted by phoenix103
Hearsay, no facts, no evidence. For all we know your friend started it. What do you want people who are rational to think based on one sentence? Of one persons "friends" side of a story?

The criminal justice system wouldn't accept that and nor should we.

Oh, when someone else says something you don't like, it's "hearsay" with no evidence, but it's not "hearsay" when you brand anyone who votes BNP as illterate, mindless thugs, despite 1 million people voting for them?

Kind of got yourself twisted in knots there....

Actually, no i haven't. I know people who have voted BNP personally an work extensively with demographics so i speak from a position of knowledge.

You had probably better read up on the definition of hearsay as it seems to escape you.

Originally posted by stumason

Originally posted by phoenix103
Most people in the UK find her views pretty reprehensible.

Hmmm..I didn't realise I had elected you as my representative. I personally have never heard of her and neither has any of the 20 or so people I am currently sat in a room with.

More "hearsay", I think...

No, fact. Tell me, how many people in total have EVER voted BNP, also, contrast that with the size of the UK electorate.

Still not understanding hearsay, are you?

Originally posted by VinceP1974

Originally posted by stumason

Originally posted by phoenix103
Most people in the UK find her views pretty reprehensible.

Hmmm..I didn't realise I had elected you as my representative. I personally have never heard of her and neither has any of the 20 or so people I am currently sat in a room with.

More "hearsay", I think...

She's everything phonenix would hate.. A UK Zionist Jew.

www.spectator.co.uk...

I don't "hate" anyone. Unless you haven't realised, that is entirely the point!

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Oh, I see.

If someone else on here speaks to people they know and puts their views across, then it's hearsay. But when you say you've spoken to people you know and put their views across, it's fact.

Glad we cleared that up. You can be so pompous at times, you know that?

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by phoenix103

 

Oh, I see.

If someone else on here speaks to people they know and puts their views across, then it's hearsay. But when you say you've spoken to people you know and put their views across, it's fact.

Glad we cleared that up. You can be so pompous at times, you know that?

An opinion is one thing, discussing a criminal trial without backing it up is quite another.

Just another part of the English values system.

Pompous or not, I'm right and you know it!

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No, not really. You chastised someone on this thread for using "hearsay" then do the exact same thing yourself a few posts later. You're not right, you're a hypocrite.

I would otherwise agree that posting "everyone I know wants X, Y and Z" is hearsay, but my problem is you criticising others for doing something you do yourself.

Also, you come into this thread in an all pompous manner claiming "I work in demographics so I know what I'm talking about". Well, sorry chum, that doesn't cut the mustard. Back yourself up.

Not once in this thread have you actually posted any kind of valid counter-argument aside from "I'm right - you're wrong. Live with it".

[edit on 25/8/09 by stumason]

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by phoenix103

 

No, not really. You chastised someone on this thread for using "hearsay" then do the exact same thing yourself a few posts later. You're not right, you're a hypocrite.

I would otherwise agree that posting "everyone I know wants X, Y and Z" is hearsay, but my problem is you criticising others for doing something you do yourself.

Also, you come into this thread in an all pompous manner claiming "I work in demographics so I know what I'm talking about". Well, sorry chum, that doesn't cut the mustard. Back yourself up.

Not once in this thread have you actually posted any kind of valid counter-argument aside from "I'm right - you're wrong. Live with it".

[edit on 25/8/09 by stumason]

What kind of counter argument would you like?

These are people too, they have every right to their views whether you agree with them or not. Providing they do not commit a criminal offence as laid out by statute then there is no issue.

That is what being British is all about.

You are talking of oppression. I do not support that, certainly not based on some spurious claim of causing division. The views YOU are espousing do that.

Instead of arguing with your fellow citizen, why not engage him, talk to him and find out that actually, thats all "he" wants.

I was doing research on the Federal Reserve (USA) and came across some information that explains why The Islamburg NY and similar Muslim military training camps in the USA were never under survalence or shut down and why any critism of Islam in the US and Europe is "politically incorrect"

If you checkout Adnan Khashoggi, (friend of Maurice Strong) The Saudi Royal Family, Bush, the CIA, the Rockefellers, the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (B.C.C.I.),and the Carlyle Group you will find out WHY Muslims are off limits as targets and Islam is spreading not only to Europe but to the USA and the rest of the Americas. www.jannah.org...

The Bush family,... the Saudi royals....—and other rich and influential Saudi families [Khashoggi ] were naturally drawn to one another as they share similar ideologies and goals: the “new world order” which is to be governed and controlled by a small ruling class elite, That is, the “Brotherhood”. In the 1960s, and certainly by the 1970s, they were all doing business together.

However, in the case of the Saudis, that new world order will be a world-wide Islamic state, governed according to Sunni Wahhabi interpretations of Islam (15). Although that goal is not shared by the Bush-Wall Street-corporate elite, the Bush team and the Saudis are nevertheless willing to work closely together, to increase their wealth and their power, and to combat and eliminate common enemies and competitors for world domination .

Indeed, due in part to Saudi efforts, since the 1980s, Islam has become the fastest growing religion among Latinos in the Americas .... Bush business partner and friend, Adnan Khashoggi, a Saudi billionaire oil and arms trader, admitted in a television-interview, that he funneled $5 million dollars to help finance arms shipments to the Contras who were terrorizing Nicaragua. In addition, the Sultan of Brunei — the richest man in the world — pitched in another $10 million. Let us recall that Saudi billionaire, Adnan Khashoggi, was providing millions of dollars to support the Contras, as was the Sultan of Brunei, and the royal family of Saudi King Fahd . www.naderlibrary.com...

he Contras, with Saudi, CIA and US backing, raped, murdered, kidnapped, and massacred tens of thousands of peasants and government officials. The targeting of those who provide health and educational services had been a tactic first refined by Adolf Hitler and the SS. Opponents who are ignorant, sickly, and unhealthy, are easier to suppress and control ..... It was the ‘ol Hegelian dialectic. Controlled conflict. The synthesis was that whereas in 1988 Iran and Iraq had both lost, Israel, Saudi Arabia, the oil companies and the Wall Street elite were now a few steps closer to someday achieving their long range goals: the creation of a “new world order.” brainmind.com...

This is the Federal Reserve, Rockefeller, Kissinger connection.

Bechtel, the Rockefellers, and the Saudi royal family have long had an intimate connection. After the Saudis granted the Rockefeller dominated Aramco oil consortium the monopoly of oil in Saudi Arabia, the Rockefellers brought their pals at Bechtel in on the construction contracts. The Bechtel Corporation, of course, has also contributed George Shultz and Cap Weinberger to high office in Republican administrations. To complete the circle, KA director Simon's former boss Suliman Olayan was, in 1988, the largest shareholder in the Chase Manhattan Bank after David Rockefeller himself. www.lewrockwell.com...

The Iran - Iraq war was created and funded by these people too because they wanted to weaken both countries and make them ripe for take over....

In other words the Bank/oil elites made a deal with Saudi Arabia. Islam and Shaira law to be imposed in the rest of the world in return for oil, power and help forming a world government although no one is going to admit that.

Isn't it nice to know your elected officials have sold your country out to foreign nationals? GRRRrrrr

Stirling bit of research there crimvelvet. Many thanks for sharing it. It certainly explains a lot of what we're seeing. People often forget just how much global power the Saudis have. Unfortunately, their brand of Islam is one of the most extreme in the world.

Police in Birmingham have been given new powers by the Home Office to clamp down on any violence that could break out at an upcoming demonstration.

West Midlands Police said they were putting extra officers in the city centre on Saturday ahead of of planned protest against Muslim extremism.

There was trouble last month when English Defence League protesters met members of United Against Fascism.

The new powers mean anyone protesting at The Bullring can be arrested.

Police cannot legally ban protests and detectives said they did not know of any planned counter-protests this weekend.

A total of 38 people were arrested following the clashes in the New Street area.

Three were charged but most have now been released on police bail.

A 32-year-old man was charged with using threatening, abusive and insulting words or behaviour, a 21-year-old man was charged with failing to comply with a football banning order and a 22-year-old was charged with being drunk and disorderly.

A 16-year-old boy was also given a final warning for using words or behaviour to cause harassment or distress.

Source - BBC

Did you all catch that? "The new powers mean anyone protesting at The Bullring can be arrested." Now ANYONE 'caught' protesting in this area can be arrested... just for protesting.

Perhaps this warrants a thread of its own.

[edit on 3/9/2009 by Cythraul]

So then, are the racist thugs proud of themselves today?

Call yourselves British, you haven't a clue. Disgusting behaviour, you do not represent me or act in my name.

I know many people who fought in WW2 and they would be appalled at this. Hang your heads in shame if any of you were involved.


Birmingham Mail

VIOLENT rioting brought Birmingham city centre to a standstill as rival groups of protesters clashed today.

Around 100 members of the right-wing English Defence League fought running battles with socialist demonstrators for more than three hours on Saturday afternoon.

Terrified shoppers locked themselves inside stores and cafes as they tried to avoid the fighting.

More than 30 people were arrested as police struggled to prevent the protests spilling over.

Members of the English Defence League, who had travelled from Luton and Bristol, held up signs reading: “Islamic Extremists Out” and “Make Britain Safe”.

They met in the Figure of Eight pub in Broad Street at 12.30pm where they began drinking pints of beer.

They sang the national anthem and Rule Britannia, as well as shouting insults against Allah and Islam.

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So you just automatically lay all the blame at the feet of 'racist thugs' and ignore the actions of socialist protesters.

Your blinkered, one sided take on things does you no favours whatsoever.

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by phoenix103

 

So you just automatically lay all the blame at the feet of 'racist thugs' and ignore the actions of socialist protesters.

Your blinkered, one sided take on things does you no favours whatsoever.

He's an indigophobe

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by phoenix103

 

So you just automatically lay all the blame at the feet of 'racist thugs' and ignore the actions of socialist protesters.

Your blinkered, one sided take on things does you no favours whatsoever.

Oh I'm sorry for not taking the side of a bunch of mindless, drunken, feckless neandethals, the type of MORONS who show us British up to the rest of the world.

Thankfully, the vast majority of this country do not support this organisation or its agenda.

It is merely a small group of self interested, under educated bigots who want to spread fear and division - just as they accuse their target of doing.

I'd be happier if the EDF was deported than most of the fantastic people i know who are immigrants.

reply to post by VinceP1974


You have no idea.

Stick to whatever it is you know about, this ain't it.

My instincts are telling me that we should be cautious of any new group (especially racially leaning ones) that are formed under the current global climate.
It would be very easy for it to be set up by a "plant" to drum up civil unrest and also to flush out the Patriots who may be trouble further on down the track for TPTB.
I find it suspicious that they are protesting Muslim "extremism". Why now, why not a few years ago during the riots in Europe, when they had a better chance of at least being successfully heard and their concerns taken seriously?
I also think this group was formed to dissipate the increasing support that the BNP were slowly amassing.
Supporters of this group will be used to show what will happen to Patriots who dare go against the NWO plans and to turn people off voting for parties like BNP.
Just my 2 cents.

Originally posted by Flighty

I find it suspicious that they are protesting Muslim "extremism". Why now, why not a few years ago during the riots in Europe, when they had a better chance of at least being successfully heard and their concerns taken seriously? .

So what are you saying? They didn't complain during riots that occurred in other cities in other countries, so whatever is bothering them now they just have to tolerate because .. why? their demonstration bothers you or something?

[Disclosure: i have not watched the video, yet]

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NO I am definately not saying that. Sorry if it came over that way.
I'm behind any patriot reclaiming their culture and heritage.
I just hope they weren't set up by nefarious forces and they don't get sabotaged and scapegoated. Thats all.

I just used the above example to highlight as one reason that MAY point towards this being a patsy group.
If it's a totally legit group set up and run by Patriots, then good on them.

[edit on 6-9-2009 by Flighty]

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Seems eye witness accounts paint a different picture...

After an hour of angry skirmishes, police finally trapped around 60 EDL members in Bennetts pub in the city centre at 3.30pm, where they were held for more than an hour.

Meanwhile, a group of 60 Asian men gathered and tried to storm the premises, only being stopped by police using shields and protective headgear.

Moments later the gang re-appeared on a nearby street, throwing missiles and bricks they had picked up from a builder’s skip.

Eye-witness Sarah Edwards, who was locked in a cafe with dozens of other shoppers, said: “We suddenly saw about 200 Asian men running down the street throwing bricks.

“They came from nowhere, and were sprinting towards the pub where the EDL were.

“They wore bandanas over their faces and were shouting and screaming.

Oh, but the EDL is solely to blame. Watching the video, it seems to me like those "socialists" and Asians were the more vocal and aggressive of the bunch.

The 100 or so EDl turn up for a march and are confronted by 200 Asians with bricks, poles and wooden beams, but the EDL are the mindless thugs.

Whatever, Phoenix. We all know were your loyalties lie anyway.

[edit on 6/9/09 by stumason]

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Can't say I blame them for responding to racist bigots in the only way they understand.