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Originally posted by sylph hugger
I'm wondering here... what even gives the whitehouse the RIGHT to know my email address? I am choosy about who I give it out to in order to avoid spam.
And speaking of spam, if I get one of those emails I hope it will go directly to my junk mail folder!
Originally posted by wayno
It looks like not many of you have a clue what its all about either -- mostly just hyperbole.
I, on the other hand probably have more of a clue than you. I have lived with socialized health care my entire life -- and I can assure you that no-one is being euthanized in Canada because they are too old or too disabled.
Like I said, "Get a grip". There is a reason that 90% of the world has socialized health care. Your country will not lose its identity or character by joining them.
So Barack Obama is facing the fight of his life (another one) as he attempts to reform the US healthcare system. The "special interests" – doctors, healthcare companies – don't like it. The "birthers" – crazy types who hope to prove he is not American – smell blood. The danger, says the Investor's Business Daily, is that he borrows too much from the UK. "The controlling of medical costs in countries such as Britain through rationing, and the health consequences thereof, are legendary. The stories of people dying on a waiting list or being denied altogether read like a horror script … People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn't have a chance in the UK, where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless." We say his life is far from worthless, as they do at Addenbrooke's hospital, Cambridge, where Professor Hawking, who has motor neurone disease, was treated for chest problems in April. As indeed does he. "I wouldn't be here today if it were not for the NHS," he told us. "I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived." Something here is worthless. And it's not him.
Originally posted by Mystery_Lady
Originally posted by wayno
It looks like not many of you have a clue what its all about either -- mostly just hyperbole.
I, on the other hand probably have more of a clue than you. I have lived with socialized health care my entire life -- and I can assure you that no-one is being euthanized in Canada because they are too old or too disabled.
Like I said, "Get a grip". There is a reason that 90% of the world has socialized health care. Your country will not lose its identity or character by joining them.
Euthanasia is already happening here with hospice. To cut the costs the government will more than likely push this aspect much more to help people feel comfortable while they are waiting to die, instead of actually trying to actually trying to make people healthy. Right now we have a choice. Reasonable choice if someone has a living will, but that choice is cut down since the doctors are not tied to healing you no matter what when you go into the ER. I wouldn't be surprised if the government says insurance won't cover actually healing the person, in favor of making their life comfortable by forcing pain pills down them while they wait to die.
I'm under health care through welfare right now. There is a procedure I want that would basically kill one medical problem that would enable my doctor and I to attack two other problems I have. The insurance said no, and that I would have to take another pill every day. I don't want to take the pill, since I know it will increase one of the problems I have, and won't work. It could very well mess up my system even more. There is more to it than what I'm saying, but don't want to get deeper into it.
I also got my eyeglasses from the same governmental insurance. Because how bad my eyes are, I need a special thin lens or it will be to heavy for me. The government wouldn't pay for it, so I had to pay out of pocket for it.
Do I really have a choice? No I don't.
In essence, people will be going from one plan where insurance denies many procedures to a governmental plan that will do the same. Will there be a difference? From what I read about and in the bill so far, that the government is going to award doctors to reduce how much is paid out. There will be an incentive for doctors not to argue for a procedure for a patient. I believe the governmental plan will be more severe in what they will allow, and also in denying procedures.
I know it already happens now, but I suspect will even happen more if this goes through. The doctors will not even mention a procedure that could take care of the problem, because they will know it will automatically be denied. They will recommend the person be prescribed something for the rest of their life to control instead of cure their aliment.
Maybe the one difference between you and I is that you trust your government. I don't, and many in the US do not trust our government. Our government has lied to us year after year after year for many, many years well over ten. They have demonstrated their ignorance towards the US citizen through the way they handled 911, airport security through homeland defense, hurricane Katerina through FEMA, they way the US government has handled Afghanistan and IRAN through the war on terror, not telling us the truth behind the rising gas prices, not telling us the truth about how bad the economy is. Also by destroying our economy back during the Regan days and even before by allowing companies moving overseas taking away our good paying jobs and leaving us with lower paying to minimum wage jobs through various policies such as NAFTA. The list goes on, and on, and on, and on.
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