Why I'm jealous of radical muslims...

Because they have the balls to kill and die for what they believe in. If we, the American People, had "terrorist cells" that sent suicide bombers to take out corrupt politicians every time they screwed over the people, the pricks who only enter politics for money and power would eventually avoid office all together. Just imagine if the only people who had nothing to fear in office were the ones who wanted to do good for the people. I think this place would be a hell of a lot better.

**Before you respond to this realize that I used "radical muslims" to illustrate a point, not because I literally envy them.**

[edit on 10-8-2009 by Icon_xof]

We have the balls to fight in wars without being totally brainwashed, sure we grow up with our fill of biased news but not full blown brainwashing techniques, crude yet effective, similar to the nazis, and promises of so many virgins after death, I do not envy the way they mindlessly follow and seek not to further their own education with outside sources, they are cut off from the truth of the outside world, I do not envy that.

[edit on 10-8-2009 by Razimus]

reply to post by Icon_xof


I think that is less balls then it is stupidity. It is like agreeing and accepting what Jim Jones did to his followers, they died for what they believed in?

And the fact that you lose you life to someone who will continue to live (as most radicals are carrying out orders) it is definitely not worth it.

[edit on 10-8-2009 by Scooby Doo]

I think you're missing the point here because I used the term "radical muslims".

Some people believe that we should adopt a form of ideology among the American populace that of radicals of different cultures such as the Muslim world and the Islamic faith.

Others feel as though we are fine the way we are and that whatever we do to try to change it, it will only get worse.

While other people feel like anarchy is the way to go.

Me? I believe that Bushido is the way, and I'll tell you why. If you study the code of Bushido, or the way of the warrior, you will come to find out that it is all about humility, respect, and honor. If you didn't like how a leader was doing his job, you could oust him with death, or force him to surrender in battle and he would have to suicide.

I think the world would be better of with the Bushido way. There is no centralized government. It is just families, clans, and villages collaborating to reach a common interest while others fend for themselves. It is the destiny of the human race once nuclear winter wipes everything out.

Absolutely not! The world would just get much worse. There is a reason why they are labeled as radicals and extremists. These people that you see killing themselves during suicide bomb attacks are nothing more than brainwashed pawns. Notice how none of the big shots in the terrorist cells ever carry out these attacks? If they truly believed in sacrificing themselves for a cause, they would be the first ones to do so. But instead, they sit back and find impressionable youths that they can manipulate and turn into mindless followers. All the while, these leaders sit back and further their own agendas while sending their little recruits off to their deaths. They are much worse than our corrupt politicians and officials.

Do you envy people who are willing to kill hundreds, even thousands of innocent civilians, women, and children, because they were brought up with different beliefs? Do you envy people that murder other people just because they were born in another country, or have a different religion. Are you jealous of people who view women as nothing other than mere objects, and deserve no basic human rights at all? Do you envy those who will kill themselves at the orders of others?

Terrorism will not solve anything, ever. Plain and simple. People need to be made aware of what is going on, and we need to use our rights as citizens in the nation "by the people, for the people" in order to make a difference. Terrorism of any kind will just result in more crackdowns, and the loss of more rights afforded to the people. As our rights diminish, those with power will easily be able to obtain more. It would not solve corruption, but instead it would help it and promote it. And, the closer it gets to anarchy, the closer it will get for the much dreaded Martial Law.

People need to stand up for what we believe in, but it needs to be done in a civilized way. It won't be easy, but when is anything worth fighting for ever easy?

reply to post by LetTheTruthBeTold


What would be a civilized way, though? Would it be hundreds of protesters parading the streets of Washington, New York, and just about every major city in the US? That doesn't work, because it only takes one person to get annoyed and the entire flock starts a stampede of chaos. Then the riot police come and people on ATS cry government oppression.

Now, there are some ways to handle this in a civilized way, but none of the ways we are used to or have seen in recent years will work. Protesting obviously doesn't work, boycotting does.

Even then, though, chaos can erupt by just one person as the initiator.

reply to post by Bushido Kanji


A riot squad facing off against people protesting, even if some of protestors cross the line, would definitely face some outcry. It would receive a swarm of media attention. Large protests being met with any type of force could not be suppressed through any efforts. Just look at the conflicts going on in Iran. People are going to hear about it, and a majority of people would probably empathize with the protestors, even if they did become a little bit carried away. But, either way, it would definitely get a lot of people to wake up and take a stand for something again. Protesting will not directly change much, if anything, but it will get the population involved. The opposition to the Vietnam War is the perfect example of this, especially with college students. They became much more politically aware and active. That is perhaps one of the number one things needed. Today's youth is tomorrow's leaders, and right now most of them only care about who Paris Hilton's new BFF is, or who Brett Michaels wants to be his Rock of Love. Believe me, I would know, I'm in college and I'm more aware than about 95% of the other students.

However, I agree that protesting probably would not work the way we would like to believe. But any type of awareness is good, and people should know what is going on around them. That is where the difference is needed. The polls are our most powerful asset. People would be able to make more educated votes, and could vote against anybody shown to be corrupt. That is probably the first step.

That won't solve everything either, not even close, but it will be a step in the right direction. And then we just keep stepping, and keep making progress through whatever (civilized) methods are necessary.

Like I said, it won't be even remotely close to easy, but it is worth fighting for.

I think if you look at what national socialism is suppose to be, that would be the best ideology

reply to post by fapython


Socialism is not the answer, nor is Capitalism. Neither side is best, but rather an ideology that consolidates the two. I am not saying that Canada is the way we should be going, but it would be better if we did something different than what we have been doing. Who knows, maybe it would stop our recession trends from happening every 20 years.

Originally posted by Icon_xof
Because they have the balls to kill and die for what they believe in. If we, the American People, had "terrorist cells" that sent suicide bombers to take out corrupt politicians every time they screwed over the people, the pricks who only enter politics for money and power would eventually avoid office all together. Just imagine if the only people who had nothing to fear in office were the ones who wanted to do good for the people. I think this place would be a hell of a lot better.

You do realise that what you've just described is how the 'terrorists' think as well...? You're advocating living in a terrorist state, where people are governed by fear and terror. (And no, America is not like that right now, America is not like living in Iraq or Afghanistan.)

So if people in your society decided to become 'fundamentalists' or extremists and blow up corrupt politicans, then that wouldn't be any different. You'd then have people wanting to fight those 'terrorists', to stop them and probably lead to another massive conflict.

And who says which politician is corrupt? Who decides? What if half the people think one politician is corrupt and the others do not? Or the corrupt actions of one are not as bad as those of another?

I don't think that is a very good idea. While I'm no fan of America in general, I do know the people are far above living that way.

Not socialism. "National Socialism"

Liberalism glorified individuality, Marxism glorified humanity, but both ignored the people, National Socialism fanatically affirms the people. The first and deepest representatives of the people is that part that feeds people from the riches of the earth and thus provides for the continuation of the family of the nation - Goebbels

[edit on 10/8/09 by fapython]

My apologies, I misunderstood what was said.

I guess I was reading too fast.

Still, I stand by my post

Originally posted by LetTheTruthBeTold
Do you envy people who are willing to kill hundreds, even thousands of innocent civilians, women, and children, because they were brought up with different beliefs? Do you envy people that murder other people just because they were born in another country, or have a different religion. Are you jealous of people who view women as nothing other than mere objects, and deserve no basic human rights at all? Do you envy those who will kill themselves at the orders of others?

Once again, you're focusing on "radical muslim" when I just used them as an example to illustrate a larger point. I know those people are using brainwashed pawns to do their bidding, I know they're killing innocent people, blah blah F'ing blah. I used it because I knew that title would draw attention, not because I literally envied them.
Forgive me, it's been a while since I posted on ATS. I didn't realize the mean comprehension ability dropped a few grade levels.

Originally posted by noonebutme
So if people in your society decided to become 'fundamentalists' or extremists and blow up corrupt politicans, then that wouldn't be any different. You'd then have people wanting to fight those 'terrorists', to stop them and probably lead to another massive conflict.

And who says which politician is corrupt? Who decides? What if half the people think one politician is corrupt and the others do not? Or the corrupt actions of one are not as bad as those of another?

Very good point my friend. I stand corrected. Thank you for responding to what I was actually talking about

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Radical muslims are brainwashed, and their hypocrite leaders of terrorist organisations are the one's that do that.

How can you be jealous of a brainwashed person??

The leaders of these terrorist organisations are too cowardly to blow themselves up, so they even send kids in after years of brainwashing.

What cause is worth dying for if you live in the US??? If things are really as bad as some people claim on here with the debt, recession, lack of jobs etc, and it's unfixable, then things will get much worse than they are now.

And so is now really the time to die for a cause or is it much too early??? I think you should wait until things get much worse before throwing lives away and becoming a terrorist, as if you suicide bombed a bank for example, then you would be called a terrorist for your actions.

Giving your life should be last resort for a cause if we even accept it worthy at all.

Look at the way things are in Iran - they think protesting against the regime is worthwhile and are even ready to die in some cases.

When the US gets as bad as that, then I might sympathise with you. But it hasn't got that bad yet. If anyone is out of work and in debt etc, then imagine that at least you are alive, and try to think positively. I understand life can get #, but I doubt your life is a # as it is in many other countries.

There's a rumoured figure in Iran that up to 50% are unemployed in the working class because the economy is that bad! If some of them can get thru' their mess, you can get thru' your own problems as well.

And further more. I started this thread as a hypothetical rant, not to encourage terrorism. I was trying to start a conversation but so far the OP has generated ONE intelligible, on-topic response.
What the hell happened here? ATS used to be a great place to start a good conversation, now I feel like I'm trying to strike one up with someone at a bar or NFL game. I feel like I'm drowning in idiots here.
WTF!?!?

Originally posted by Icon_xof
And further more. I started this thread as a hypothetical rant, not to encourage terrorism. I was trying to start a conversation but so far the OP has generated ONE intelligible, on-topic response.
What the hell happened here? ATS used to be a great place to start a good conversation, now I feel like I'm trying to strike one up with someone at a bar or NFL game. I feel like I'm drowning in idiots here.
WTF!?!?

I'm sorry but the title of the post alone shows a misunderstanding that radical muslims are brainwashed individuals with dangerous fundamentalist ideals. Whether this be some Internet blog linking the Quran to suicide bombing infidels, or actual terrorist training camps in Iran, Syria, or Pakistan. There is always a hypocrite pushing naive youngsters into doing it.

This thread can only incite anger and can you live with yourself if somebody American reads this and murders a dozen American's in an attack?

One of my posts was removed as it says it was meant to inflame the original poster. Fair enough, responses should be kept more civil, but that doesn't change the fact that this original posting has inflamed ATS members, whether inadvertently or not. I understand the political correctness here doesn't go both ways.

Unfortunately these kinds of responses are expected to happen with what the OP was suggesting.

How can you hypothetically say that somebody should follow the doctrines of a suicide bomber? If you just labelled "die for a cause" as the title for example, then it would make more sense at least. Unless you think it's fine to brainwash young people to suicide bomb govt. targets!!? And what is the jealously all about, if you see fit the brainwash people into doing that, then so be it.... anybody could do it in the name of religion if they tried hard enough!! Even fundamentalist christians could be brainwashed into that kind of activity.

So if you believe in it so much, then go ahead and start your own training camp near a fundamentalist church. You only get something done by trying, not by being jealous of somebody else!

To beat a govt. you have to be smart, and killing yourself by strapping bombs to yourself isn't. Islamic extremism is not beating the west with its suicide bombing, so how would westerners do it with the same method.

Look at the Iranian opposition movement, lots of activity is going on underground, you can read some other threads for more details, but you can see they are smart people. That is why they will win.


[edit on 10-8-2009 by john124]

Originally posted by Icon_xof
I think you're missing the point here because I used the term "radical muslims".

Yeah, I missed the point, unless you're generalizing with a broad brush.

Then I totally get what you're saying.