Each to his own ability? Can you define that again?

Originally posted by redhatty
Sorry SG, if you don't like having to pay for the military, you need to move to a different country.

Why? This is the land of the free right? We shouldnt be paying a socialist system like healthcare so why should I be paying for your $500 billion a day military? After all your taking my money, just like you proudly proclaimed Im taking your money for healthcare, so Im sorry, I wont be going anywhere, and I will have nothing to do with your military.

Fair is fair. You keep your corporate whorehouse you call healthcare, and I dont pay for your military. We can both sit back, fold our arms, and leave at that.

Our Constitution provides for both a military

Apparently the constitution doesnt allow redistribution of wealth right? So why should the constitution steal my money? Why should I pay for your police, you fireman, your teachers? I dont them, need them right? Your buddies have been screaming about how unconstitutional income taxes are, do you know howmuch the military depends on income taxes and redistribution of wealth? and yet for reason the military is an acception?

Its simple, we will stop contributing to your overgrown military, the one you increased by $1 trillion over the last 8years and then may you can get your angry mob to come around and call us unpatriotic, then we will do likewise the same to your unguiding opposition to the public option.

You have the right not to invest your money then I want nothing to do with your overgrown military. We will cause movements of both sides, that way we both get what we want.

So, by all means wave the constitution in my face regarding your military industrial complex you literall sent billions to and kept shut about, I wont have any of it, not with my money.

SG

I dont mind giving my money to the more disadvantaged generously. I have enough, thanks to my capitalistic behavior.

reply to post by dolphinfan

As far as the Ayn Rand analogy goes, she was right. When you continue to rest the responsibility of funding society on an increasingly smaller number of citizens, they only need to say "no more". I'm not going to do it anymore. I'm moving off grid (to Monaco) or some other place.

They are already starting to do that and that trend will continue. There are a lot of folks who are quite comfortable with what they have and are simply not working any longer, or at least will stay out of the game until this foolishness is over. I personally know 6 people who paid a ton of taxes. They are young and could have been significant contributors, especially in the form of income taxes for 20+ years. They have retired. They don't plan to work again. They have no income and one has actually been able to structure his finances to get an EITC, despite the fact that he is wealthy - good for him. The thing in common they have is that they have all simply said, enough.

The socialist "guilt trip" can only work for so long. Intelligent people can see we have too many bureaucrats, parasites, idiotic laws and red tape for a viable society. Over 22% of those employed are bureaucrats and that does not include lawyers, accountants, and "compliance officers" within industry. Trying to open a legal small business is next to impossible and doomed to failure. So why bother.

I too know of people who are going "off the grid" They are not even on the internet anymore.

If government-run programs are so horrible, why is everybody so satisfied with Social Security? I don't know a single person who has returned his or her social security check to the government just on principle.


Medicare is another benefit that older people don't want to give up. That's a government program, too. Again, I don't know anybody who has thrown their Medicare back in the government's face and insisted on paying only for private health insurance or out of pocket.

In my state an adult cannot receive Medicaid unless he or she is both extremely poor and also disabled. It is impossible for a non-disabled adult to receive it no matter how poor they are. Despite the claims of some people on this thread, it's a good program but only covers a limited population.

These are just a few of the programs run by the dread and horrible and inefficient federal government.

I do not tremble at the prospect of retiring and getting my Medicare and Social Security.

It would be hypocritical of me to be against an expansion of our health care programs to include all American citizens.