SCI: Time Travel 101: A How To Guide

Originally posted by phi1618
great thread, very interesting read. I must say i have always been interested in the concepts of time travel, and most of what you said i already knew.

Ive always believed that traveling forward in time can only be done with the mind. What do you think of this? they say nothing is faster than the speed of thought.

snf

[edit on 8-8-2009 by phi1618]

Time travel within our mind? Hmmm... I am not sure. I do put a lot of credence into meditation ( it is very relaxing). I do believe in OBE's ( out of body experiences) having had one myself.

Let me put it this way, the brain is such a complex thing. As far as we have advanced medically in the last 100 years or so, the brain is still largely a mystery. At this point I imagine it is possible, but I cannot really be sure. There is still to much not known about the brain to just rule it out.

Perhaps during an OBE you couold not only travel to any where you want but also to any time?

I just do not know but it is an interesting thought to contemplate.

reply to post by hisshadow


from what i understand gravity is harnessed form a small miniature particle accelerator with antimatter bombarding either element 115 or fused copper.. element 115 was recently discovered by russian scientists using a particle accelerator however the element can not be found anywhere here... only near supernovas... interestingly enough Bob lazar PREDICTED this element and its properties over 15 years ago..... and reportedly the U.S goverment has plenty of it... when this reaction is started it will create allot of heat... which gets turned into electricity (this is all a byproduct) from then on gravity starts extending from the perimeter of this "fuel" mind you this is reportedly no bigger then a silver dollar..........that extension of gravity is very very small... however very very powerfull in microwaves there are waveguides. which guides the waves to where they need to be... reportedly waveguides guide this extension to arms which reportedly shoot it out(normally there are 3) ...... now since this reaction is ongoing and you cannot slow it down the waveguides are pulsated when it needs to slow down it pulsates slowed(this is why you see ufos bobbing) as this gravity gets shot down towards the earth the wave comes back up and the object rides it like a surfboard... the other arms are used for navigation they are pulsated less and are pointed in the direction where said object wants to go... also there is a gravitational field being created around the object(hence why crafts are always lit up).. now this is where it gets REALLY INTERESTING when the craft wants to go to lets say... .. mars it then starts triangulating all 3 arms to a single point before mars... it then lets the waveguides go FULL ON ..... when this happens full space compression happens between the destination and the craft..... bringing the craft there in under 1 second or even less.......... now this does not mean a craft can cross the universe as you can NEVER POINT TO INFINITY as the triangulation point will become very big ... awesome stuff!!!!!!!!!

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Thanks Antar.

I admitedly know very little about Deja vou however the idea that it is the feeling we get from changing realities or what have you is interesting to me. The question that it raises for me though is that the times I have had deja vou it seemed to be totally random. So what would trigger this reality switch to begin with?

Thank you for being one of the few people who can take complex scientific concepts and present in laymen's terms that doesnt leave anything out for the sake of allowing EVERYONE to understand it. I find all to often that either explainations of such ideas and theories are either weighed down by their own technical language or are so over-simplified they become pointless since they have so little substance.

Kudos to having good rhetorical skills!

reply to post by gimme_some_truth


I think its breaks or tears in our space\time reality that lets us peer thru... this can happen for many reasons... perhaps solar activity etc..... i have had "dreams" that came true EXACTLY as it it played out in the future.. I believe many here can attest to these so called "dreams' I remember once i was pulled over in a very strange way a vehicle behind me had slowed down... in this "dream" my thought was this vehicle was undercover patrolling.. so as i knew my license was suspended due to me not paying some tickets(i know) my registration was also invalid as I could not update registration due to license issue so lord and behold a patrol cars pulls up behind me that had was at a checkpoint... i then pulled over a hotel and I remember in this "dream" i had an extreme fear of being arrested... once i woke up from this "dream" i said thank god thats never gonna happen!!!!!!! lord and behold fast forward 2 months later.... the same exact incident played out in the same exact location with the SAME EXACT CAR and EVEN THE SAME EMOTIONS... thank god i did not get arrested and the officer was even nice enough to not show up to court as I made a few friends at that stop due to me knowing some people... but in the end this is absolute proof to me that the mind can time travel...



[edit on 8-8-2009 by thefreepatriot]

I thought I would add some insight on the question I saw posed on how to maintain a stable wormhole:

Leading theories speculate that negative energy can be used to maintain the corridor (the space made between the two conjoined throats of the wormholes). This would theoretically keep the wormhole stable enough for transit. The following illustration best describes this proposed solution:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/1aa7cd5362bc.gif[/atsimg]

Courtesy: casa.colorado.edu...

The flashing football looking thing is the negative energy being used to keep the corridor open.

Also, here is a better look at what a worm hole exactly is. Even with Gimmie_Some_Truth's GREAT OP it can still be confusing to picture mentally if you are not somewhat versed in astrophysics or cosmology.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/7480f4dace19.jpg[/atsimg]
Courtesy:www.daviddarling.info...


Here is an artists illustration on what the exit point, the white hole may look like:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/fda838a412d4.jpg[/atsimg]
Courtesy: wiki.eveonline.com...

It is also important when talking about time travel to understand some of the different types of theorized worm holes, according to modern spatial geometry, and specifically Lorentzian Wormholes.

Now depending on the geometric properties of the said wormhole you will either take a shortcut through spacetime (thus moving forward in time) or you will create a bridge to a parallel universe (assuming quantum theory, specifically M-Theory or one of its derivatives, is correct). They are called Inter-Universal Worm Holes and Intra-Universal Wormholes respectively. Now there are other types of theorized worm holes, but in the interest of keeping this post laymen I will not attempt to get into them.



Helpful Links

www.krioma.net...

en.wikipedia.org...

casa.colorado.edu...



[edit on 8/8/2009 by jkrog08]

Sorry, issues with the pictures, all good now

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reply to post by jkrog08


awesome explanation on how a wormhole could be created... but what exactly is negative energy??? and could a focused gravitational distortion be this "negative energy"

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
Take a mag-lev (magnetic levitation) train. The train runs very quickly because it is sort of "floating" above the track and being pushed with magnets. However the train itself still ways the same as it would with out magnets. It is just using magnets strong enough to counter the weight of the train...

This is more along the lines of what I was talking about

As for the first response, I have heard nothing like that in my 8 1/2 years of formal education in psychology.

Memory is created and maintained by pathways created in the brain. The brain never shuts down without blunt force trauma or tumors. What it does do is employ ego defense mechanisms and pull parts of traumatic experiences into the subconscious through either repression, suppression, or possibly even regression. So long as the pathways are used the memories should be easily accessible baring of course the deployment of an ego defense mechanism. Memory is like a path in the woods, if it is used (recalled) often the pathway is well defined and easy to find. If it is not used (recalled) for lengthy amounts of time it degrades in much the same way the brush and weeds would grow over a path in the woods.

The brain itself does not shut down or close up shop unless there is disease or blunt force trauma which causes damage or swelling to the brain itself. The only thing it does is take parts or all of a memory and pull them into the subconscious in order to protect the psyche.

My area of expertise is not brain function as related to memory, but rather cognitive development and child and adolescent development; however, I have had to take a lot of courses that deal with general psychology and areas outside of my specialty and I have never heard of what you are speaking of. This is not to say that it is not true, just that in 8 1/2 years of education in this field, I have never heard of it.

Had you said something along the lines of an adrenaline induced psychological interpretation on the individual perspective of time, I may tend to agree with that.

[edit on 8/8/2009 by DarrylGalasso]

Very interesting post dude.
Sorry to have hopped on late.

I have an interesting idea. Agreed, Light speed is the fastest anything (physical) can go. What is it that could go faster than light ?

Think thoughts can ?

How long does it take for you to think of the moon, or sun or even the nearest star ?
Poof! Instantly.

Now imagine there was a way we could transfer our conciousness
or rather ATTACH our conciousness to a thought.

Even if I asked you to think of the edge of the known universe, it takes a millisecond..!

Now the problem is when we think of it, we aren't exactly thinking it as it IS, but more like what we percieve it'll be like ..ok so far ?

So we imagine the vision we think it'll be.

But what if we could get an accurate account of what it's like,

maybe through(not that I'm v convinced it's possible) Astral Travel?

Or even meditation.

I believe there is an energy that is so fundamental in nature that

every single atom of whatever is in all of creation shares it.

Something like the DNA of the universe.

We have or may not be able to identify it yet because it is so so

subtle. But it exists.

So if all is connected, so can all - at some point in time - be

shared ?

hmmm..

It's just a thought.

Any opinions ?

But I must say - a very intriguing subject.

Great work.

reply to post by hisshadow


we have harnessed fire that can destroy, light that can destroy, chemical reactions and even nuclear reactions that can definitely destroy ..and we have redirected those violent powers to be used in a safe and effective matter(like the combustion engine nuclear power plants , jet engines etc etc.) its all a matter of redirecting it in a safe manner.. and remember the reaction is using a super heavy element like plutonium... to create a nuclear reaction you do not need outside energy to sustain itself.... ( i am not saying reaction is the same just the premise) its just that once the reaction starts it is self sustaining......just like nuclear power until the fuel runs out.

i know this may sound primitive, but i have to ask this question, because we sometimes have to go back to the start just to find a solution to a question..

What is time?

is it what we perceive it as, 24 hour days, 7 days in a week, 365 days in a year? and if thats so, whats that based off of? the rotation of the earth on its axis around the sun?

as you may realize now, or might have known (im not trying to insult anyones intelligence here) that what most people think of time is not really "time" but is really a measurement of time itself.. and if you go to different planets, or different solar systems, the measurement of time is different..

so the first question may not be, can we travel in time...

But, what is time?

reply to post by Angelsoftheapocalypse


the measurement of time will be the same regardless of what planet you will go to ... the only difference in time will be to someone on a planet with a weaker gravitation field or stronger... time will flow differently however to those in on the planet the clocks will measure time the same.. when you compare both clocks on both planets you will find one of the clocks would have ran faster and the other slower... this happens every time the space shuttle launches... the space shuttle is equipped with a nuclear clock... this clock is synced with a nuclear clock down on earth so it CANNOT HAVE ANY DISCREPENCIES due to the space shuttle traveling very fast and due to it being farther away from the earths gravitational field there is a discrepancy of time... between the shuttle and earth but it is very very small. I believe what you are referring too is calender time as some planets will have longer days and etc... that has nothing to do with.time and its just an attempt to organize it and keep track of it

[edit on 9-8-2009 by thefreepatriot]

reply to post by thefreepatriot


Negative energy is a form of exotic matter created (theoretically) by extreme and not well understood forces like the Casmir Effect or according to Hawking's postulate on Black Holes. Negative energy would repel gravity, rather then create gravity (remember E=MC^2). Theoretical Cosmic Strings could also have this effect. So in essence (and theory) this could negate the gravitational collapse of a worm hole.

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reply to post by jkrog08


interesting stuff... now we just have to get our hands on exotic matter... if only it wasn't so exotic we can find it god darn it!!

i understand the whole gravity/clock thing, but what im saying though, is what is our understanding of time based off of? we didnt get clocks that have 24 hours on them out of nowhere, we got it from the natural rotation of the earth. so, in all reality, yes, the measurement of time is different on other planets if you take in how long a day is on another planet. its like this, venus could rotate once and you could call that 1 venus day, but here on earth that means that it could take 35 earth hours to complete, or just 19 earth hours to complete. (depending on how fast/slow the rotation is) all im saying is that if your measuring the time off of a planets rotation, then the measurement of time for that planet has to change as well. now, of course, yes, you can have a standardized time measurement, based off of earth's measurement of time. but my question is , what is time itself? not the measurement of it, but the "element" of time itself?

reply to post by Angelsoftheapocalypse


I understand ...... what is time itself... i can understand moving in space forward \backwards up and down... but time cannot be seen we can only see the effects thru aging and planetary motions... I understand now... and I dont know what the essence of time is...i can only see its effects and i also know gravity affects time..great question

reply to post by gimme_some_truth


A very concise and good primer on "time dilation" as a consequence of velocity increase.

I'm assuming that in your deliberations on the possibility of forwards/backwards time travel, that you were making the assumption that time is linear during your travels. In other words, you remain in the same "time line" when you travel back and DO NOT cross over into a different time line. I'll assume so as there is NO proof or evidence to substantiate the hypothesis of multiple time lines.

With this proviso in mind (i.e. a single linear time line), I have to state that I disagree strongly with the possibility of backwards time travel for two major and unalterable reasons ...

(1) WORSE ... If we accept that time travel backwards is possible, then as a direct and inevitable corollary, we have to immediately admit that the concept of free "will" is a complete and total illusion and does NOT exist.
On the other hand, if we wish to retain the concept of "free will", we therefore MUST give up on any possibility of being able to travel backwards in time.

(2) WORSER STILL ... Quantum mechanics has become so firmly entrenched within our current physics paradigm that to allow backwards time travel, would immediately show that quantum events which are inherently unpredictable would in fact become predictable to the highest degree ... indicating that the concept of undeterminance inherent within quantum physics is itself flawed.

Basically, I believe that nature itself ABSOLUTELY PROHIBITS backwards time travel. No if, and or buts .... TOTALLY PROHIBITED !!!

Originally posted by thefreepatriot
reply to post by hisshadow

 

from what i understand gravity is harnessed form a small miniature particle accelerator with antimatter bombarding either element 115 or fused copper.. element 115 was recently discovered by russian scientists using a particle accelerator however the element can not be found anywhere here... only near supernovas... interestingly enough Bob lazar PREDICTED this element and its properties over 15 years ago..... and reportedly the U.S goverment has plenty of it... when this reaction is started it will create allot of heat... which gets turned into electricity (this is all a byproduct) from then on gravity starts extending from the perimeter of this "fuel" mind you this is reportedly no bigger then a silver dollar..........that extension of gravity is very very small... however very very powerfull in microwaves there are waveguides. which guides the waves to where they need to be... reportedly waveguides guide this extension to arms which reportedly shoot it out(normally there are 3) ...... now since this reaction is ongoing and you cannot slow it down the waveguides are pulsated when it needs to slow down it pulsates slowed(this is why you see ufos bobbing) as this gravity gets shot down towards the earth the wave comes back up and the object rides it like a surfboard... the other arms are used for navigation they are pulsated less and are pointed in the direction where said object wants to go... also there is a gravitational field being created around the object(hence why crafts are always lit up).. now this is where it gets REALLY INTERESTING when the craft wants to go to lets say... .. mars it then starts triangulating all 3 arms to a single point before mars... it then lets the waveguides go FULL ON ..... when this happens full space compression happens between the destination and the craft..... bringing the craft there in under 1 second or even less.......... now this does not mean a craft can cross the universe as you can NEVER POINT TO INFINITY as the triangulation point will become very big ... awesome stuff!!!!!!!!!

The reactor has to be online in order to do a DELTA maneuver.
When the reactor is online the mass of the spacecraft is reduced
from its natural value down to an artificial zero.
- Spacial Deterioration of Mass -
The 3 gravity wave generators focus on a common point in space
and pull that point inside the warp field.
Switch off the generators and that point snaps back and takes
the spacecraft with it but only if the reactor is online.
Apparently, the huge CIGAR shaped "beamships" can shut time off
and fold space. Basically create a portal or door and then just fly
through the door. Time = zero


[edit on 8-8-2009 by Eurisko2012]

reply to post by thefreepatriot


i have to ask though, did they only see the effects of time in less gravity only on clocks, or was there any aging aspects? say plants, animals, ect? if it were only clocks they saw, then its possible that gravity had no effect on time itself, but only on the clock...

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
We cannot because the faster an object moves, the more massive it becomes and the more massive it becomes the more energy is required for it to build speed. Simply put, collecting enough energy to go the speed of light is just out of the question.

I always wondered about this... if your statement is true, then why can't we see photons? They travel at the speed of light.