The Real Danger. The Real Lie.

I must tell you it's not one 'good party' versus another 'bad party' You must understand that BOTH parties are evil making you think there is a difference, but truthfully the difference is they're all the same!

Just remember this quote: "All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men and women to do nothing but watch TV." The best way that can be explained, look at the injustices around you comitted against your fellow man, if you stand there or shake your head in disbelief, EVIL has won!

The more people who unite against the evil, let it be known you see the evil and will not accept it is the only way to stop it...drag it into the light of day. It's evident that a change (real change) is needed and if we work at it we will become the change we desire, then and only then will we have the world WE the people want.

Their 'power' over us is our inaction, ignorance of the very things going on in our daily lives...stand up, shout "I am not going to take it anymore!"....or just sit back, change the channel and see what else is on.

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I believe this bit by the late, great George Carlin sums it all up best. He knew what was really going on here in America, and keep in mind he made this before the bailouts and the economic crash.

We are all being manipulated. The wedge is being purposefully driven by saboteurs and agents of the corrupt media.


(warning:adult language)

Fanatics are just as necessary in a revolution as peace makers. Each has their role, the timing of implementation determines whether or not success will be achieved.

You can no more begin a revolution with a peace maker, than you could end it with a fanatic, but the reverse of this is perfect. Likewise there are several other types who should lead between the two ends, in very specific stages.

George is the man!

Drugmakers ready $150 million for Obama plan
www.msnbc.msn.com...

Why? If they are able to get more people into the system, they can get a crap load of money when no one is watching. Hahaha...

Sure, lets do this health care reform. Lets sign this bill into office, so I can watch those Obama worshipers squirm on a big hook when they realized they sold are buts down the river. No problem.

Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe this means that you will be physically owned by a health care corporation (government), and they will take steps to buy and sell your but accordingly. They will tell you what size you should be, what your weight should be, what you have to eat, and when to exercise. You will be owned, bought, and controlled by both the government and corporations. Hahaha...

That's why you don't nationalize health care, for you will loose the freedom to do what ever you want with your body.

FYI - Watch the movie "The Island". Within the first hour of the film, you will see where this nationalized health care crap will lead to.


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reply to post by Blaine91555


I disagree with the assesment that there is nothing more dangerous than the far right, or far left. The NWO people are the most dangerous, simply bwecause they have the most power. They don't care what you believe because they want to control everybody. Both sides should be fighting the ultimate control of the NWO people. For when they seize ultimate control, as they are close to doing, it's not going to be right or left, it's going to be the NWO way.

get real people, they encourage the fighting as a good diversion while they do their dirty work. Most common everyday people now, from both parties recognize what is happening. The government is working toward total control of our lives, it is plain as day. It's always being done under the disguise as "what's good for everybody". regular people of BOTH parties see this power grab for what it is. That explains the uproar. it's simple to understand.

That power grab is the real lie, and more and more people recognize what the government is doing for what it is. The sad fact is that the government is going to pass something, whether the citizens like it or not. They have the power now, and they will use it.

Everyone needs to realize what's going on, and watch your personal rights fly out the window.

reply to post by SaraThustra
Very well said and simple to understand.

I have seen more common sense and reasoning in this post then any other(so fare anyway)the soap boxers that want to rant about Healthcare don't get it or there trying to derail the post.The Healthcare Plan IS the great divider.Stay on talking about uniteing and forget the crap that is feed to you.

So where is the fanatic and the peace maker we need?????

Wonderful replies. Thank you very much

I guess I see three crowds working in unison in what I'm saying. The lunatic fringe on both sides and the leaders who pretend to be with them in public to keep their power. There is not a doubt in my mind that real power, the Obama's, the Bush Family, the Clinton's, the Pelosi's and all the rest who truly run the show, are a single minded group who only pretend to be at odds when they are on stage in the public eye.

It is like we are watching a carefully choreographed play unfold to manipulate us. The fringe, the haters make their deception possible. That gives them power over the vast majority of us who only want a fighting chance and a fair system we will never have as long as the fringe has the podium.

It is no accident that when we the majority raise our voices we are immediately labeled the fringe lunatics by the real power to herd us back inside the fences they created to control us.

They know that this fringe is what keeps them in power and us from rising up in what they fear the most; peaceful protest and us joining together. They know when we join together no power on earth could control us.

What they do is very predictable. They plant little pods of violent extremists among us to make us look like fools and trick us into thinking anyone who speaks out against them are the real lunatics, when in fact we are the only sane ones.

They use the hate and the lies of extremists as a weapon to attack our sensibilities. Their real goal is simple slight of hand. While we are watching a group from far left square off against a group from the far right, they meet in the back room and slowly chip away at us until we quiet down and give the floor back to their sock puppets who empower them.

I no longer have any doubt that the Bush family, the Clinton family and Obama are part of a team effort. If they can't manipulate us into giving them the outcome they want in the polls, they alter the outcome. Bush could not have won otherwise as Obama could not have won otherwise.

There is no grand conspiracy and never has been. There is only powerful megalomaniacal people using peoples strongest emotions to control them. They naturally form into groups as likes attract and that why it appears their is a grand plan throughout the generations.

Our common sense, our peaceful ways and our desires to just live a good life they use as a weapon. They incite us to hate by parading their insane lapdogs on the airwaves in front of us. The MSM and the Celebrities in their quest for fame latch on to this and make sure we are kept in a constant state of agitation and at each others throats. They know if we ever take a deep breath and look around the party is over for them. Celebrities are easy for them to control as they are generally not to bright and are willing pawns.

The Left loves Rush Limbaugh and wish there were more of him. The Right loves SEIU and ACORN and hopes they never go away. It is absolutely necessary for the leaders who are truly all on the same side to keep us from taking them down.

I think that the real power is a minority of those in government. I don't mean to label them all. The leaders who are out of the loop are just as much victims as anyone else.

Originally posted by mrpotatohead
reply to post by Blaine91555

 

I disagree with the assesment that there is nothing more dangerous than the far right, or far left. The NWO people are the most dangerous, simply bwecause they have the most power.

Without the fringe, they have no power. They feed off one another. The far right and left keep our eyes from looking at our leaders to closely. It is purely a diversion tactic. The fringe don't know they are being used and manipulated when in fact they are the most used and manipulated.

NWO is just another diversion tactic. The UN, the NWO; they are both part of this. The NWO is a bogeyman under the bed to keep us safely tucked away under the covers begging them to please turn the light on and take the NWO away.

We are barraged with a non-stop stream of things like the Communists, the Socialist, the NWO and the NAFTA Super Highway along with whatever comes next to keep our eye off the ball.

They don't control us. They can't and they never could. That is the deception. If every ordinary moderate person were to join together to peacefully oppose anything, our enemies would crawl into the dark corners in fear. What is our greatest strength is also our greatest weakness.

Well said. Fundamentalism (and we're seeing it in this country) is all the same. It doesn't matter if the ideology is islam of christianity or right or left. They all lead to destruction, hatred and fear.

Left and Right is just scenery that distracts people from the real power centers in America, namely big business interests. This whole country was just Ponzied to the tune of Trillions of dollars by these interests too and it's been going on for decades. I think more and more Americans are waking up to that fact though, one can only hope.

One point I would make is that in recent history when a "Liberal" goes off they camp out in a tree or ram a whaling boat. When a "Conservative" goes off, people get hurt or worse. There's a more violent element in today's "Right Wing" in this country and it scares me. Something BAD, on par with Oklahoma City or a political assassination attempt, is going going to happen in this country sometime soon...bank on it. It won't be the work of the so called 'liberals' either.

Originally posted by hawkeye1717

One point I would make is that in recent history when a "Liberal" goes off they camp out in a tree or ram a whaling boat. When a "Conservative" goes off, people get hurt or worse.

In a way you are making my point even easier to see.

You are drawn to one side over the other. To make that statement you were forced to use selective evidence.

Violence is an aspect of both sides. The left includes incredibly violent elements as does the right. Domestic Terrorist groups like the militant environmentalists are on the left. They burn buildings, spike tree's, destroy equipment and people like Ayers get involved in planting bombs. Going back just to the 90's we see Greenpeace attempting to ram a ship carrying a cargo of plutonium while broadcasting the location to those in the Middle East to try and force a major disaster just to prove their point. They have no remorse about the fact it could have cost many lives and in fact were upset it did not cause death and suffering.

The people on the far left for instance know that they can incite violence by goading those who they know believe abortion is murder. If you cause an act of violence, you are as guilty as the ones who commit the act.

The right does the same when they stir up the militant gays or when they insist on doing things just to upset the other side.

When Reagan was shot, I was with a group who were all active Democrats. One of them answered the phone, went to the TV and turned it on. When the video of the shooting was first shown on the screen, they stood in unison and applauded the shooter. They made comments like too bad he was not a better shot.

All of these things make us controllable. It is in our nature to pick sides and compete. It is to our shame this weakness makes us easier to control.

Great thread!!! Just wish more people realized this, and stopped being

the sheep, dumbed down, that they want and need us to be.

Threads like yours are very far and few between, we could use more

instead of some of the crap, posted on here all the time. Threads that

take us away from the truly inportant topics!!!!

The dis-info agents that attack every legitimate topics, and at times take

them totally off topic.

Again GREAT JOB!! S&F Thankyou!

Good point. I once daily traveled the back streets of Agra, India to visit a particular spiritual location. This was during the period of the 1st Iraqi war. My route required me to pass through Hindu and Moslem neighborhoods. One day a group of Moslems stopped and surrounded me. Their leader was practically foaming at the mouth. He asked where I was from and I told him the USA. He clenched his shaking fist and his eyes glared in hatred. He asked over and over again "George Bush hates all Moslems?", "Americans want to kill all Moslems?". ... Well, after talked to him as a human being for 5 minutes, he invited me to tea as no one was angry any more. People are people, most people just want a nice, simple life taking care of their family and being a good person. Some people are poor quality and just want something for nothing. Others are vulnerable and fall into association with the manipulators. But it requires very deliberate conditioning for someone to preoccupy themselves with anything other than just enjoying life. It's simply unnatural. The manipulators are never the real actors, they only want the nice simple life facilitated for them by those they manipulate.

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Thank you. A great story and my point exactly.

reply to post by Blaine91555


Good post. I fully agree, they intentionally divide us and pretend their is a difference between them, it's only to give the illusion of checks and balances. Recently it seems, the divide has only widened. I think that's the reason the right and left trade off power, after 8 years of Bush I think just about everybody was sick of it. That's when the people become dangerously close to actual unity. They had to have another ugly election, and turn the people on each other, and the new party in power of course provokes the ignores the losing 'wing' into anger towards the 'wing' in power. Then we all hate each other again, and those in power can get away with whatever they please.

Once the dividing is done, it won't matter "who" did the dividing, only 2 things will matter:

(1) How high you jump when told to do so.
(2) How quickly you perform the aforementioned jump.


Maybe folks should do something now, or more accurately, NOW!!!, to interrupt the division process. Something like throwing a wrench into the works.


Something like, say, completely stopping participation in any form of banking system.

Cash only, stored in your back pocket(or handy mattress, buried strong box or embedded-in-the-concrete-foundation-of-your-house safe), paid in full at time of purchase. No saving it in a bank, no plastic convenience cards, no credit, no RRSP/401K, nada. Zip. Zilch. No support of the folks that are doing the dividing.

Because that is what you are doing by using a bank. You are supporting those people and what you are saying they do to us.

Anyway, do you think they would really allow you to make money off of them? Come on, now, be honest.

I just joined the forum. I'm glad to see that some
people are coming to their senses about what is
happening. I'm actually seeing this type of discussion
in a lot of forums and blogs. What used to be conspiracy
"theories" by nuts, is openly being discussed with a lot
of reason.
I truly believe that there are an elite group of people that have been
playing the old game of "divide and conquer" for a long time - perhaps
since the founding of this nation. The right vs. the left, the Christians vs.
the atheists, the blacks against the whites, the poor against the rich, etc.
etc. They keep us side-tracked, with the help of the media, to stay near-
sighted by all of these distractions while they are literally taking our
freedoms from us - inch by inch and increment by increment, AND robbing
us of any accumulated wealth we scratch to secure for ourselves and our
families. They use the rich, whether it be from big corporations or
individuals, such as actors and musicians, as their fronts, and I actually
believe that, with the exception of a few, that those "pawns" are oblivious
to being used. We call the entertainment and corporate "rich" because they
are more wealthy than us but compared to these "hidden elite" they
have a fraction of the wealth. I don't believe there is any comparison.
These hidden few are so wealthy that money and wealth is not even their
objective anymore, it is about power and control on the global level. I
believe that the Federal Reserve is the most we ever see of these elite,
and most Americans are so side-tracked and naive that they think the
Federal Reserve is a government entity. It is so frustrating to see
how we have been letting this go on for so long, and we've been so
fat and happy, or I should say content and passive, that now we're
being jolted out of our complacency with the sudden rush of the events
being ushered in by those that we have put in the offices of government.
If this is what it takes, then so be it. It is my hope that this is the
awakening of the sleeping giant that is the bulk of this nation. Those
that have been hard working people who have been honest and held
down jobs and paid their taxes (even if those taxes have been wrongly
placed upon us - meaning income taxes) and raised children to the best
of our God given abilities and helped others along the way in accordance
to what we have been blessed with. THEY are the sleeping giant. And if
they are truly aroused, then they (we) will be a force to be reckoned with.
These are the families that raised those who are the bulk of all of the
military, so, if there is any question as to who these soldiers will protect
and preserve, it will be the families, friends, churches and others who
have supported them, not the fat cat, life-long politicians in Washington.
If this sleeping giant were to march up to Washington in one accord and
with one voice, I believe that that voice would not even need to be
physically heard or any weapons to be fired, but that the mere presence
of this giant would rattle the foundations of Washington to the point that
these crooked leaches would slither out and under a rock never to be
seen or heard again. I know, that sounds dramatic, but that might be
what it has to come to. Cleaning house. Making Washington lean and frugal
instead of "We, the people.." being the only ones to have to live wisely and
balance our budgets, and give an accounting for everything we have and
do. It's time we return to being the parents of our government and
demanding that they live by our rules and earn their keep and make their
beds and clean their room, and in return, we will give them an allowance!

Side note: Wow, while I was reviewing before posting, I realize that this
site is all about conspiracy theories. I guess nothing I said in the above
rambling oration is new ground for most of you here. Still, my $0.02 worth!

reply to post by Haltor


First, welcome to ATS.

Yes this is a place where you are among people who see the things you mention and discuss them.

There are many moderate, independents here; even if at times it does not seem like it. There are also partisans of the big two here which is how it should be. Debate is the quickest way to truth.

Surprisingly, even though moderates are the largest group we are marginalized by the the very loud and vocal partisans on the left and right. I think that is about to change however.

Moderates are constantly accused of being on the right even though we are not. I guess that is because we tend to be realists and pragmatic. We see exactly what I'm discussing on this thread and what you have confirmed you understand.

I think the power mad elites biggest fear is that the moderates of this world will band together as a quiet, peaceful force. We do the work, we create the wealth and without us they are finished.

We also have to keep in mind that not all politicians are against us and that not all rich people are bad. In fact many are a part of our group. Too often we forget we do have friends in government and business which makes us even stronger.

Yes, we have been asleep at the wheel. That is all changing. The far right and far left have ruled for too long and they have wreaked havoc. The people who created and supported them are now in panic mode as they realize those people starting to protest are fair minded, ordinary working folks that have had enough. They are truly scared of us as they know we can bring them down peacefully and they can not stop it if we come together.

The sad part is that we have always been the majority and have always had the power. The same things that make us strong and the real majority make us easier to manipulate. We sat back and waited trusting things would sort themselves out. That is over. The core of our society has just awoken and is more wide awake every day. I expect a lot of the current elected officials won't even bother to run again. They will take their spoils and move back into the shadows.

reply to post by Blaine91555


I could care less if its destructive. If god forbid it might interupt our fatass nations prime time television. If it means we will live through hell for a short duration. 9 years I have witnessed my country torn apart, our good name decimated. 9 years some specific entities reaping the rewards of a dieing nation.. the time for civil, polite discussion has since past. The era where an election meant change is over. The time when the government took consideration of the needs and wants of the people has ended.

They have taken everything from us and they flaunt their corruption in front of our faces, then turn around and lie to us on tv like we are to ignorant to see through them.

Every government runs its course. If this means we must change the way we live to secure a future for our nation, so be it.

(Ps I don't think any one has ever considered you on the "right" Blain. Quite the contrary.)

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