BBC now admits al qaeda never existed

Originally posted by masonwatcher
The 1993 Blackhawk Down incident is also attributed to Al Qaeda. This in itself is questionable because the event was kicked off by the US in an attempt to capture Gen Aideed or some other strongman. There is no way in heck that an Al Qaeda type group would have known in advance of an American strick to have had enough men and arms in place to knock down helicopters and engage US soldiers.

...no way in heck, huh?... three letters - c i a...

Star, and flag to the OP. IMO it's a good topic at hand as the military industrial complex is cramming their age old plan of WW3 down our throats

Prior to 2000/2001, there were no Al Qaeda training camps but moujahideen training camps. I say 2000 because the general references to Al Qaeda may have started with the USS Cole attack, I admit I can't remember for sure.
Moujahideen were pictured as loose groups operating independantly with no global chain of command lead by warlords sometimes in conflict with each other.
There were a lot of Islamist fundamentalists organisations engaged in terrorism with their own focus/ideology and again, sometimes, opposed to each other.

Since 2000/2001, there are no more moujahideen training camps, they are all Al Qaeda training camps and each Islamist terrorist group is supposedly part of Al Qaeda. You need a distinctive name for an enemy, made up or not.

Even if you accept the idea that Bin Laden managed to unify the moujahideen and the terrorists under his command or brand name, you will find nowhere this analysis before 2000/2001.
In this link posted above, at the bottom of the page, you will find 3 sources dated before 2001, none of them refers to Al Qaeda but only moudjahideen, jihadists, Islamists, etc... You may find references to Al Qaeda before 2000, the AFP article may be authentic but those references will be scarce and not denominating a global network.

There is no question Bin Laden was a financier for several terrorists groups but it's not a network and certainly not operated by him. The prospect of a unified and transnational terrorist mouvement with the same goal and focus was terrifying and worked to the best effect like it was supposed to.

Regarding the 1993 WTC bombing, it's absolutely apocryph to link it to Al Qaeda. It's an exemple of rewriting of history. At the time, never was there a mention of Al Qaeda. Crakeur, you have even found out the first mention of Al Qaeda in a media was after this bombing. There was never a link to Bin Laden either.

Questionning the "real" existence of an Al Qaeda network is still not questionning that Islamists carried the 2001 terrorist attack but the creation of a common enemy that helped the US government to further its agenda. Both are not exclusive.

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if you want to call a band of terrorists a data base with the name Al Qaeda, so be it. if you give it a name, it exists.

It was using that name whey they bombed the WTC in 93, among other attacks that the non-existant group claimed to have perpetrated.

you can claim it is retrospective all you want but, if you look back to 1993 and move forward from there, there's an actual, documented history of this group/gang/database etc and they call it by a name because it did exist and it does exist.

Originally posted by Crakeur


It was using that name whey they bombed the WTC in 93, among other attacks that the non-existant group claimed to have perpetrated.

No, it was not. That's is the exact point of the thread

Star & Flag to the OP!

I've long believed the idea that Al Qaeda has never existed, but originated as a CIA term to describe their entire database, which was mostly filled with Arabic names. I've also heard it said that "al qaeda" is a colloquial term for "bathroom," which makes you wonder why anyone would choose such a name for that group.

Now, if they'll only admit that Osama Bin Laden is a fictional character too...

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if you want to call a band of terrorists a data base with the name Al Qaeda, so be it. if you give it a name, it exists.

Actually I am saying that the people that bombed the WTC were a band of terrorists and not part of the database or al qaeda (note: small letters). The original database consisted of the names of mujahideen volunteers in the fight against the Soviets.

The Al Qaeda manufactured by the Bush administration is strictly a fantasy and a device meant to shoehorn extremist neocon agendas.

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Originally posted by masonwatcher

It seems that the US hoped to tie in its various interest around the world and the associated conflicts as one issue to wage an ongoing war easily packaged and saleable to the US public.

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When will people realize that there is no US/Afghanistan/Russia/UK/India anymore?
There is no black, no white, no straight, no gay, no jew, no muslim...there's just rich people and poor people, plain and simple.

Originally posted by Crakeur
if you want to call a band of terrorists a data base with the name Al Qaeda, so be it. if you give it a name, it exists.

Does this mean if I give the admins of this site the title of Al Poopoo, and then I also give it to the same name of another conspiracy site, and also give it to the name of google admins - does that mean it exists?

Watch out for those Al Poopoo's, they will get you!

I believe it takes a bit more than calling people something and loosely grouping them up.

Just making a point obviously - no such group "Al Poopoo" exists. And if it does, you guys got an even more twisted sense of humor than I do.



IF I can create such a group this easily, then this would mean I could blame you for everything google and the other side did. That wouldn't be right at all, and I'm sure if I did that you would correct me.

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Its about time they tell us the truth lol

Have you noticed lately that the Brits have been unvailing alot of classified info...?

Not to long ago they (I think a govermental agency, I don't remember) finaly admited that aliens actualy exist.

Just a thought

It is clear now to all of us that Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq.

What else did he lie about? Why aren't the American people demanding the truth?

Actually, the organization does exist and has been around for a very long time.

It's called history. Study it sometime.

Ahahaha this made me laugh out loud. This "new" fact cheered me up so much, we all knew it years before they admitted it. masonwatcher, all I can say is star and flag!

bbc report
bbc dont report they specialise in government left wing multiculturist political correctness propaganda for the mindless.
ohh man if you seriously use bbc as a news source
bbc are part of msm & their for are not allowed to tell the trueth or they may cause trouble & hurt peoples feelings
if you want to know some thing about al qaeda it might be a good idea to read the wahhabism teachings of islam.

Yeah, I believe it, I remember watching these vids a while back:
CIA and Al Qaeda

It makes sense to create fabrications like this to help ones motives.
I mean, Bin Ladin has still NOT been charged with the attacks on 9/11 by the FBI, so yeah, go figure...

thanks for the video, interesting stuff!

Originally posted by cooler
bbc report

bbc dont report they specialise in government left wing multiculturist political correctness propaganda for the mindless.
ohh man if you seriously use bbc as a news source

bbc are part of msm & their for are not allowed to tell the trueth or they may cause trouble & hurt peoples feelings

if you want to know some thing about al qaeda it might be a good idea to read the wahhabism teachings of islam.

thats not entirely fair...
While BBC is main stream media, they are britains top legit news source... unlike the Sun, which people here still seem to go by.
But BBC is just as much as a joke as FOX, CNN, etc, so yes, you do have to question what comes out of it because its basically what big brother wants you to think...
So then, if most of Britain gets their news from the BBC, then why would they want us to think Al Qaeda is a fabrication?

Also, every once and while news reporters at major news medias such as Fox do, infact, try and report the truth, no matter where that gets them:

I've been saying it from the get-go that they don't exist. They were created for a few reasons, and one of them was to take the blame for 9/11.

Now that some may believe my words that that group never existed, maybe people will now listen that Bin Laden doesn't exist either.

In any and all groups / gangs, etc. there is ALWAYS someone who wants to take command, and there's always someone who wants recognition. All of these years and through all of the monetary rewards, not one person has come forth to rat out Bin Laden, be it for the reward money, or simply to be known as the person who saved the world from Bin Laden and brought "The Most Evil Man" to justice. That's one of the ways you can tell he, or "his" group never existed.

It's all about how to cast a shadow in the right place and at the right time. You get people (or countries, , or the world in this case ) chasing shadows and you can have as much money & supplies for your "cause" that you deem fit.

Whoever came up with the plan of creating Bin Laden and his group did a great job. And the person who brought those shadows into the sunlight on 911 was a true mastermind (think about how long they can use these shadows for almost any pretext and blame "them" for any event that they themselves do --all to gently nudge the world in the direction they need!).

Now we just gotta find out who REALLY did it and bring them cowards to justice. Sadly, that'll never be done, but happily, and thankfully, those responsible will never be able to avoid judgment from our True Judge on that one fine day.

Well i watched the video.
Then i read a page of yall 2 saying it exist's it don't exist.

Now i don't know what to think

I get the point if ya give it a name it exist's.

But if they don't exist..what are we fighting?

Idk im lost.

I now can see how one video can mess a man's mind up..what little i had left.

What im saying is it seem's like your arguing the age old question.

What came first the chicken or the egg ?.
see my point.
But i guess that explain's obama move to get this out the other day.
www.thenewamerican.com...

The President does not describe this as a ‘war on terrorism,’” Brennan said. A country, he said, cannot make war on a tactic as opposed to making war on another country. As well, the Obama administration will no longer use the term “global war,” or such terms as “jihadist” to describe Islamic terrorists. Jihad is “a legitimate term” that means “to purify oneself or to wage a holy struggle for a moral goal.” That, he said, “risks giving these murderers the religious legitimacy they desperately seek but in no way deserve.” And “worse,” he said, “it risks reinforcing the idea that the United States is somehow at war with Islam itself.”

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OSAMA BIN LADEN and Saddam Hussein had an operational relationship from the early 1990s to 2003 that involved training in explosives and weapons of mass destruction, logistical support for terrorist attacks, al Qaeda training camps and safe haven in Iraq, and Iraqi financial support for al Qaeda--perhaps even for Mohamed Atta--according to a top secret U.S. government memorandum obtained by THE WEEKLY STANDARD.

Yeah sure.

From what I see where ever America's interests are at risk Al-Qaeda is involved. There is even Al-Qaeda in Gaza now Basically any Muslim who goes against America is regarded as Al-Qaeda. The group which is regarded as Al-Qaeda now were nothing but foreign fighters who came to Afghanistan to fight against Russia. The idea that he is a rich and spoiled kid is nothing but a media propagated message from individuals who gain much from this imaginary group.

You sir don't gain much from this, my dad was one of the individuals who fought against the Russians, he had never heard of Al-Qaeda until 9/11. I'm sure he would have told me if he did, we always have conversations regarding the Mujahideen who fought against countries who forced their way of life on to others, hence Russia, America etc etc. It wasn’t just Al-Qaeda who wanted to rid America's influence from Islam's most holiest place but all Muslims. The idea that what Osama wants and what he says is different is ludicrous because it is not just Osama but all Muslims.

What you need to do sir is to get off your ass and travel, meet people, not just the ones you feel comfortable talking to. One of the first threads I made in ATS was regarding Al-Qaeda not being a terrorist organization, challenging the general thought in this community. That way I got to discuss issues with individuals who i didn't feel comfortable talking to, due to the huge barrier.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Al-Qaeda is franchise imo..The Madrid bombings were carried out by a Muslim al-Qaeda-inspired terrorist cell..In that case the bombings had nothing to do with a pre-arranged doctrine for a continuation of the war on terror, in fact Spain withdrew its forces from Iraq...
Besides your the thread title is highly misleading, as if the complete British broadcast company denies the existince of Al-Qaeda in an official declaration..