4th Dimension is in plain sight? Perhaps we already....

I was watching a video from Dr. Michio Kaku. And in it, he was explaining the possibility of a 4th dimension. He used an incredibly simple but detailed description of our own. (3rd. dimension)
he said imagine a fish, a scientist fish swimming in a pond, he only knows whats is in plain sight.

Forward backward, left and right. But the concept of UP AND DOWN, was oblivious to him. If he asked anyone around them they would say aahh there is nothing UP AND DOWN, what you see in front of you, is what is.

And then he imagined as a boy, sticking his hands into the pond and bringing the FISH UP, and out of the water. Well now the fish would see a 4th dimension. Something he didnt think was possible. He would see beings breathing without the need of water. Beings without flippers or gills. Beings that he would perceive as gods.

Anyhow it got me to think, what would the 4th dimension be? Because obviously when we "figure it out" it would be obvious to us, as much as the fish.

We have
Up down, left right, and forward and backward.

Last night i was laying down and the thought occurred to me.
What if it is simply INSIDE AND OUT.

so it would be, up and down...left and right...forward backward....inside and out.

I thought about it because of how truelly powerful spirtuality is within people who believe in it.
Whether you believe in religion, or god, or meditation, the universe. WHATEVER you believe in, the fact is THOSE WHO are more intunned with THE INSIDE (the inner self) do things that "normal" society cant. Whether its as simple as supreme happiness with one self. It is something MOST HUMANS can not do.
Or if its some physical feat, that normal society cant do, like the Shaloin Monks can do. It is still something Most and all will never experience. Whether its wisdom, whether it's intelligence, whether its luck. The point is...people who are more ATTUNED with there inner self. do things most cant, feel things most cant, or has a sense of understanding that most never will.

OUTSIDE...
i thought along the lines of SPACE...scientists, quantum physist's, astral physists all have another sense of "understanding" about the univerese. Where things came from, what should be, what will happen, what should happen. Almost a "god like" view on things. Take it as it is...but someone who will be able to predict when a storm is coming, the next earthquake, when a disaster should come, would and can be defined as a GOD.
IT also shares the some of the same characteristics as someone who finds answers FROM WITHIN.


Another thing i noticed is, the shift of "awakening". THere has been much talk about 2012, spiritually, universe changing, polar shift etc. But does not all this correlate with each other? do they not all support the theory?
whether its we find a planet that tells us we are doomed (nibiru).
Whether The anti-Christ comes back to bring balance or evil to the physical world. Whether Buddha comes back and helps balance things, aliens come help us out, god sheds lights on our evil deeds...WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE...
it is both answers that come from THE INSIDE and the OUTSIDE
thus my point...
perhaps the new dimension were moving into IS a 4th dimension. Not in the way were thinking. Some crazy weird things going to happen aliens come etc.
it is simply we are viewing the OUTSIDE world, more than just viewing earth. But the grand view of life, the universe and beyond that.
As well as who we are, why we are here, what we were meant to do, and what is the true meaning of life.

INSIDE AND OUT


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[edit on 6-8-2009 by DontTreadOnMe]

That was very deep and I find it some what inspiring. I've already started to get into meditation...but this makes it seem even more important. Especially if you are correct about the 4th dimension. Very interesting post. Star and flag.

Very thought provoking! S&F

I don't mind telling you that at this moment, that went right over my head...perhaps after some sleep I will re-read it and it will sink in!!

Love the avatar!!

Watch Flatland, seriously.

But yeah, Michio is pretty freaking awesome. He's the Einstein of our time.

4th dimension that's opening up to humanity is the Ether, the Zero Point Field, the Akashic Field, a timeless eternal oneness, with total ego-loss and nothing left, but love - the presence of that love welling up from the eternal wellspring of eternal life - that's the new dimension, which humanity has glimpsed, and even been in direct contact with already for millenia, but at last it will come back into view and once you grok of it most fully, you cannot lose your place in it, as an integral part of it all. We're going to GET that, and come to see that time, and death have no meaning any longer, and we will lose our strong ego-attachment, which will just dissolve to be replaced by a newfound loving mutuality of human existence - re-aligned with the cosmic center and source, from which all form arises and returns, only to arise again, ever more informed as it continues to unfold and unravel. A cosmic ocean wave, a spiritual tsunami, that's what I see - a convergence, in the interference pattern that is life moving through the aether or the zero point field, the Akashic Field of all information, fully informed, to the heights, and the depths.

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It's the fact that there is no time there.

Just can't seem to wrap my head around that..

What would it be like with no time..damn, here comes that headache again.

star, and flag. Good read. I do believe in other dimensions, and that multiple dimensions occupy the same space. Oh, and I believe in reptilians from higher dimensions, but I guess that takes years of putting bear bottles on door knobs to achieve that state.

Originally posted by Ventessa
That was very deep and I find it some what inspiring. I've already started to get into meditation...but this makes it seem even more important. Especially if you are correct about the 4th dimension. Very interesting post. Star and flag.

Why thank you, it was just a thought that occurred in meditation. That all the ancient civilizations/religions/ and now SCIENCE all state that....both meditation helps you understand one's self. To be more attuned to the world, to the universe, to yourself. To the greater whole. And now science is increasingly more and more finding that the universe MIGHT be all connected, that we ARE all one (string theory i believe?). That we....our conscience could possibly be creating our universe itself. Along with the many theories.
IT was just interesting that all this science, as well as spiritual evolution is starting to pick up, and its closer to 2012. Yet again spiritual, and science both say is an important year for many many various reasons.

It wasn't so much, how these two COULD be the 4th dimension independently, but more so they support each other and create a sort of balance.
ex. Forward to go a certain movement, but backward to also go a certain movement.
Inside yourself to seek the answers, but outside to also find the answers.

It seems that the fish, when he finally wanted to know what is what...would eventually swim up to the surface, (something most said wasn't that important), and finally start to understand...maybe the surface of the water isn't just the start.

Perhaps the 5th dimension is time?
to understand that time isn't what we perceive it to be. Perhaps isn't even something we theorize, its something more. But lets just work on the 4th dimension first shall we?

A mistake in the definition of dimension. We usually think of dimensions as spatial things, this is what you are talking about. A dimension however isn't a thing so much as a relationship or an aspect of a thing. We live in three dimensions because we need three points to describe where an object is. X, Y, and Z axis if you will. If we somehow believed that the coffee cup on your table was different at 4 PM then it was at 1 PM then we would need 4 dimensions to describe the place of anything, exactly what time it was there being the fourth. The number of points needed to plot a thing is it's number of dimensions.

Let's take Velocity or speed for example. They have 2 dimensions. Length (A spatial dimension) and time. You need to plot both the length and time it took to travel that length to plot it's speed. Hope this is making sense.

So while inside and outside may very well be a dimension the question is what is it a dimension of? And is it important in anyway? I could use height when trying to decide how much carpet to buy, but that would just be a silly waste of calculation as the area of the floor only needs two dimensions to calculate, the added third dimension being useless information.

OK physics lesson over

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There is a way, but I can't tell you or I'd violate the ATS TAC, but let's just say that it is possible to produce and to experience, a neurological Bose Einstein condensate, bring the complete awareness of the entire sphere of consciousness into absolute oneness with the Akashic Field, outside of time. That such an experience IS available, whether you yourself can have access to it or not, blows the mind just to KNOW that it's all TRUE. It IS true, and the materialist reductionists or materialist realists are incorrect, and Newton is incorrect, even Einstein - since there IS this other dimension, outside of time, in the light of life, and it's all one, of infinite intelligence, and of infinite and unrelenting love. It's there. And all the religious and mystical traditions all have this same experience, or a taste thereof, in common, and its the very thing which has given rise to all the mystical traditions of human history down through the ages.

What is most interesting, is the way in which the human mind and it's rider, consciousness are hard wired FOR this experience, even if only at the time of "death" - which means it's always there, in the background, like the blue sky is still there on a cloudy day.

So it's worth imagining, that timeless dimension, because it actually IS accessible to human conscious awareness..! That's good news!

I found your post very humbling, and personally I can relate it to our human experience. It was a very refreshing read. It's nice to see my own thoughts mimicked in the words of other people every once in a while

Vacant

I would like to point out the movie MEN IN BLACK.
the first one...where they "find the galaxy" they deliver it to the alien species... and the camera pans out from the car in ny...to the us...to earth....to the solar system keeps panning out...and it is nothing more than an alien playing marbles.
It would be amazing what is after quantum physics. Life within life. One again (inside and out)
sort of like when alice fell in the rabbit hole, and discovered life within life.
Bacteria within us, cells within our bodies, creating life from life. etc.

Another thing i thought was, we think of cancer in our bodies as a disease a plague to our bodies, to yourself. So we try to rid it from our bodies. It is small and microscopic in comparison to the whole body.
Now what if humans, was cancer to the planet earth? And the Galaxy within the universe, is trying to rid this virus from one of its cells (earth)

ok lets say it like this

cancer super small, is in our body and kills us. we try to take it out to live and thrive and CREATE life.

Humans on earth is killing its body, so it creates cancer/virus's to kill humans off so it can thrive and create life.

The universe needs earth to thrive and live, but its plagued, so it does things we might perceive as science to "balance it out" and keep the "system clean"
kinda far fetched and "out there" and im sure i lost a lot of you...but it happens in the smallest forms today, we can observe plants growing, evolving to "fight and kill of" things that kill it...is it so absurd?

reminds me of flatland, great little animation. Here take a look.

Originally posted by Histopherness
A mistake in the definition of dimension. We usually think of dimensions as spatial things, this is what you are talking about. A dimension however isn't a thing so much as a relationship or an aspect of a thing. We live in three dimensions because we need three points to describe where an object is. X, Y, and Z axis if you will. If we somehow believed that the coffee cup on your table was different at 4 PM then it was at 1 PM then we would need 4 dimensions to describe the place of anything, exactly what time it was there being the fourth. The number of points needed to plot a thing is it's number of dimensions.

Let's take Velocity or speed for example. They have 2 dimensions. Length (A spatial dimension) and time. You need to plot both the length and time it took to travel that length to plot it's speed. Hope this is making sense.

So while inside and outside may very well be a dimension the question is what is it a dimension of? And is it important in anyway? I could use height when trying to decide how much carpet to buy, but that would just be a silly waste of calculation as the area of the floor only needs two dimensions to calculate, the added third dimension being useless information.

OK physics lesson over

never thought of it like that, but it makes so much sense. Where your keyboard was a hour ago, is not "EXACTLY" where it was. The earth moves, it rotates, it spins, and revolves. To the actual point of where it "was" isn't exactly WHERE IT WAS. I guess that could somewhat fit into your physics?
makes perfect sense what you sad, star and flagg (if i could)
so i'll just put a thumbs up haha

Originally posted by michaelhernsin
I would like to point out the movie MEN IN BLACK.
the first one...where they "find the galaxy" they deliver it to the alien species... and the camera pans out from the car in ny...to the us...to earth....to the solar system keeps panning out...and it is nothing more than an alien playing marbles.
It would be amazing what is after quantum physics. Life within life. One again (inside and out)
sort of like when alice fell in the rabbit hole, and discovered life within life.
Bacteria within us, cells within our bodies, creating life from life. etc.

Another thing i thought was, we think of cancer in our bodies as a disease a plague to our bodies, to yourself. So we try to rid it from our bodies. It is small and microscopic in comparison to the whole body.
Now what if humans, was cancer to the planet earth? And the Galaxy within the universe, is trying to rid this virus from one of its cells (earth)

ok lets say it like this

cancer super small, is in our body and kills us. we try to take it out to live and thrive and CREATE life.

Humans on earth is killing its body, so it creates cancer/virus's to kill humans off so it can thrive and create life.

The universe needs earth to thrive and live, but its plagued, so it does things we might perceive as science to "balance it out" and keep the "system clean"
kinda far fetched and "out there" and im sure i lost a lot of you...but it happens in the smallest forms today, we can observe plants growing, evolving to "fight and kill of" things that kill it...is it so absurd?

Incredibly insightful.
You've given me more to think about.

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Could it be that the 4th dimension, from our point of view, is without dimension, from all points of view? In other words, no frame or point of reference, but instead the frame of reference which includes all other frames of reference, which is no frame of reference, or the zero point field, and so again we are back to that, the void, or the nothing from which spontaneously arises everything, and which somehow dynamically sustains everything, and gives it life, energy and form. But not a purely radom fluxuation, but a living, fully informed superdeterministic timeless infinite and self aware intelligence, being both self aware and fully inform, from all past and all universes, including this one. A creator. Understading our place in this then from a first last cause, places us automatically into a most intimate relationship, with God, the creation, and therefore one another as expressions of the Godhead, perhaps even the most highly evolved in universal evolutionary history - an evolutionary spirituality, without dimension - as the next dimension. Sorry I'm just doing some stream of consciousness stuff from things I've been learning lately..

Originally posted by OmegaPoint
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There is a way, but I can't tell you or I'd violate the ATS TAC, but let's just say that it is possible to produce and to experience, a neurological Bose Einstein condensate, bring the complete awareness of the entire sphere of consciousness into absolute oneness with the Akashic Field, outside of time. That such an experience IS available, whether you yourself can have access to it or not, blows the mind just to KNOW that it's all TRUE. It IS true, and the materialist reductionists or materialist realists are incorrect, and Newton is incorrect, even Einstein - since there IS this other dimension, outside of time, in the light of life, and it's all one, of infinite intelligence, and of infinite and unrelenting love. It's there. And all the religious and mystical traditions all have this same experience, or a taste thereof, in common, and its the very thing which has given rise to all the mystical traditions of human history down through the ages.

What is most interesting, is the way in which the human mind and it's rider, consciousness are hard wired FOR this experience, even if only at the time of "death" - which means it's always there, in the background, like the blue sky is still there on a cloudy day.

So it's worth imagining, that timeless dimension, because it actually IS accessible to human conscious awareness..! That's good news!

that truelly is amazing. Its weird cause i was just watching a video from a guy named Raymond Kurzweil. And he said to think of our universe as a computer program. You can not directly access the computer main frame and find out the entire program, what its meaning is, how it was created etc. It is denied by its laws. BUT...what you can do is use certain objects, and certain "gateways" to access the computer mainframe. Somewhat of a backdoor.
So say meditation is a way to access the "universe knowledge" to be able to understand, bring in, and obtain what you want. (sort of what THE SECRET states)

Originally posted by pretty_vacant
I found your post very humbling, and personally I can relate it to our human experience. It was a very refreshing read. It's nice to see my own thoughts mimicked in the words of other people every once in a while

Vacant

likewise. its good to know your "NOT THE ONLY ONE" who has these thoughts. haha

Originally posted by Greenize
Very thought provoking! S&F

I don't mind telling you that at this moment, that went right over my head...perhaps after some sleep I will re-read it and it will sink in!!

Love the avatar!!

haha if its one thing i learned in life, you will retain and understand information when its the right time for you.
i learned about meditation years ago, and didnt give a # about it. Now it amazes me lol
thanks, i tried to make a visually appealing avatar lol

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There is a huge database of information regarding the fourth dimension, they made it for people like you and me.

There is a similar article I posted along time ago:
www.abovetopsecret.com...