We are addicted to being human...

I hope most or some of you know of Robert Monroe and his works. His institute has uploaded 9 videos from an open discussion he had in 1990. His veiws and experiences are simpley amazing!

In the videos he talks about how we loop back into earths "system" because we are addicted to being human and to have human experience. This triggered something in the back of my mind and I said out loud without any relization of doing so, "My god I love being human!"

Here is the link to the video and I hope to discuss them with you:
Video Link

All nine videos take about an hour or so to watch so make sure you have free time.

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Wow, what a great thread topic.

Thank you for the link to the Monroe vids. I've read a couple of his books but haven't ever seen him in reality, so am looking forward to watching the vids as soon as the area around here clears.


As to your suggestion that we're addicted to being human (and I remember Monroe commenting on this from his books) I fear you're right.

Interestingly, I'm giving more and more thought to it these days, even though it's several years since I read Monroe's books.

At the time I read it, I thought there was NO way this would apply to me. Once out of here, it would take wild horses to drag me here again, I thought. Every now and then, when life particularly disgusted me, I'd grit my teeth, raise my head to whomever and swear that i would never be sucked back into life. ' I will not come back here. Get that and understand it. I will NOT come back to this hellhole' I used to tell 'whomever'.

But, probably because I'm a lot closer to the End (of life) than the Start, these days, I find myself looking at life from the outside and musing how short it really is. Before age 20, it seems time goes so slowly -- you fit so much in. Then 30 rolls along and you laugh, because it's such a shock and feels like a mistake -- how could you be 30, lol ! The years between 30 and 40 seem to go a lot faster than other decades, but as you're still not convinced you're even 30 yet, and as Time seems to not be behaving as you want it to, you sort of ignore that decade. Then the 40s kick off and it's getting a bit serious. But, you're having to discard old goals and set new ones, so it's a busy decade, particularly if you have teenagers, etc. By 50, you're thinking, 'Oh, I give up. It's all moving faster than I have time to deal with '.

By then, you're into reflection in pretty much the same way you were into 'plans' back when you were in your early 20s. So the balance has tipped and you're required to 'accept' all those things you can't change, can't reverse or undo. For a lot of people, life just hasn't gone the way they'd planned or expected. And by half-century, you're realising you're not going to do a lot of things you'd intended to do when younger.

You might have had talents .. art, voice, music, pottery, whatever. And all the way through, you'd intended to 'devote some time' to developing these, 'as soon as I get a bit more time'. But just because you're older doesn't necessarily mean you get more time, of course. So those plans get stuck in the 'to do' list for when you're even older. And who knows .. maybe you develop a condition which means your hands aren't good for much, so bye-bye all those paintings and musical scores and sculptures you'd thought you were going to get stuck into 'when older'.

Or, it may work the other way: you might discover you're a really good writer or tapestry-worker or amateur archaeologist, late in life. And you think to yourself that if you had your life to live over, you'd devote yourself exclusively to your particular skill -- you wouldn't become embroiled in relationships, you wouldn't have children, you wouldn't be in law-enforcement next time because all these are very demanding in time and energy terms. No, you say to yourself, if I had my life over again, I'd devote it to Mayan ruins and nothing else.

So, right there, are dozens of reasons why people might be seduced by the opportunity to don dense material bodies and spend several decades in this (earthly) dimension, after they'd escaped it via physical death.

There's absolutely NO guarantee that they'd enjoy any subsequent life either. But the possibility that they might (might be incarnated as a millionaire, as someone great, as a devoted humanitarian or even as a big-busted pop star) would surely entice many.

Plus, the savagery of the sensations offered by life on earth would draw some back: the tastes, smells, colours, emotions, physical sensations, etc.

Every time I eat McDonald's, it nearly kills me. Family members have said the same. Each time we're writhing in agony, we swear to each other that we will never be so stupid again as to eat the stuff. A year might go by, or three. Then one day, while passing a McDonald's and feeling peckish, we'll do it again. It's as if we suffer temporary amnesia. Or maybe just a case of hope springing eternal .. hoping that the food has improved, has become digestible, less crammed with chemicals. Don't know. But we fall for it again, for the strange sauce in the burgers and hot fries. And it ends the same way .. pain, cramps, regret. We ask each oher, 'Why were we so stupid ?'.

Maybe the allure of life is similar to McDonald's ? Maybe we just don't learn. And like McDonald's, maybe Life contains secret additives that mean if you've been hooked once, you can always be hooked again ?



edit: I got up from the computer after posting the above and got busy with overdue tasks. Amazing how much better the brain works when you get off the old backside, sometimes.

It occurred to me, as I was moving around, that the reason (or one of them) we return to McDonald's after swearing we'll never do it again --- is because the bright colours, the general busy-ness and sense of cheer and positivity, the smells, all of it, reminds us of much earlier times, when going to McDonald's was a special treat, a big excitement, fun, etc. (when the kids were little).

So, we return to try to recapture those positive experiences -- and the colours and atmosphere and crowds and positive buzz are a big part of that.


So it struck me that discarnate entities could be seduced in the very same way by the opportunity to be human again, to be childlike, to take pleasure from the physical, from colours, emotions, crowds, excitement, the promise of 'magic', of feeling good, of being involved, of physical pleasures no matter how transitory ? And always the promise that 'it will be better this time'

Ok, back to work now



[edit on 6-8-2009 by St Vaast]

We're not addicted to being human; we *are* human.

If we really do keep returning to human existence, then it simply means we haven't finished with that phase yet. When we're through, we'll move on to something else.

BTW - Monroe has no greater claim to know anything than I do. Or you. He claims to do out-of-body experiments, but he hasn't shown that he's doing anything more than altered consciousness. Even if he *is* successfully performing OOBE's, that doesn't mean his observations have any greater validity than yours or mine.

reply to post by ucanneverdie


you might be addicted to being a human, however, we most certainly are not. i enjoy it sometimes, dislike it at others. the same goes for all incarnations. it's not so much the human experience, just experience and not too much else.

the ways in which the universe builds life are ours to explore. i can think of no better way than direct interaction.

cheers,
AA

[edit on 6-8-2009 by anonamousantichrist]

[edit on 6-8-2009 by anonamousantichrist]

Originally posted by chiron613
We're not addicted to being human; we *are* human.

If we really do keep returning to human existence, then it simply means we haven't finished with that phase yet. When we're through, we'll move on to something else.

Your own words depict that we are not human. Something we have not finished? Keep returning? means we are something greater and either come to learn more to be better then our prior selves or come because we just choose to on our own to feel the feelings we are able to have here.

For all we know we might be unable to feel love, laughter, passion or even pure joy in other "places" besides earth. Is that why there are more of us today then ever before?

This is paradise!!! Ever since man could use tools we have looked to the skys in hopes that there are other places like earth and have found NONE. we have created machines to do our tasks and we cant find a single rock in space like ours? We come here because its paradise.

I 'm guessing the human experience and free will allows us to search for new experiences. In the movie The Matrix, it was said that we first had a perfect world, but we weren't happy with that. Somehow, the absense of challenge is like watching the grass grow and paint dry. Look at what prisoners end up acting like. I've been to zoos and the animals don't like that much either. Humans are still predators. We think with our lower and upper brains together more often than we admit. It's still the human animal.

Maybe there's a long lineup to get here and once here we don't want to go to the back of the line..?

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Speaking of lines, if there's a long line to judgement day, people might just go to the shorter one like Disney World. I'm reminded of Baby from Dinosaurs; " AGAIN!!"

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Not if judgement day is going to be amazing

Originally posted by ucanneverdie
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Not if judgement day is going to be amazing

Never heard of Amazing Grace What I meant was that imagine the long line there. Not exactly a line people want to cut into either. " Where's that other line go to?" Hell yeah!

It's only fun to be a human when your not suffering.

Originally posted by cloakndagger
It's only fun to be a human when your not suffering.

The BDSM community would likely disagree.

Originally posted by ucanneverdie
I hope most or some of you know of Robert Monroe and his works. His institute has uploaded 9 videos from an open discussion he had in 1990. His veiws and experiences are simpley amazing!

In the videos he talks about how we loop back into earths "system" because we are addicted to being human and to have human experience. This triggered something in the back of my mind and I said out loud without any relization of doing so, "My god I love being human!"

Here is the link to the video and I hope to discuss them with you:
Video Link

All nine videos take about an hour or so to watch so make sure you have free time.

Eh i'll be happy where ever i go, wether its here or in a astral world, even hell, I'll just condition myself.

Thanks again for the link to the vids, OP.

Enjoyed them a great deal. Number 6 resonated in particular, and 7 and 8 of great interest.

Hope the MonroeInstitute puts up others of the Wednesday night talks

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If there is i will be sure to update this thread