Visit from an old 'friend'

I've talked with you guys before about my experience with the incubus. After 8 months of no activity, three nights ago the one I call 'nice' just to differentiate showed up while I was laying in bed. For the first time ever, it communicated with me and I was allowed to ask questions. When I asked him how long he'd been with me, he said forever....before the Ouiija board. I thne told him I wanted him to go away and he laughed saying, "When you were at church and I was so-called cast out, I was standing beside you laughing." When I asked would he/they ever leave, he said no. When I asked if there were more than one of him he said yes. Then most importantly, I asked him was he a demon. He replied, "Now would a demon be this nice to you?

He did what incubuses do and left. Thankfully this night I felt no pain. Usually there is a squeezing sensation in my stomach that is painful and pulsates 5 or so minutes into my full conciousness, (this is with the 'mean' one who is a lot heavier and I can actually feel the intercourse with.

Right before an incident, I'm kinda drifting off and get a strong tingling sensation. I feel light headed, dizzy and sort of OUT of myself. I began to feel like im floating but never leave the bed. All five of my senses become extremely aware but I can't move or talk. I can communicate through telepathy. The pain is real and so severe that I manage to get out a moan loud enough to wake my bf. He's aware of this so he knows how to bring me out of it. The only thing that seems to work, (sometimes) is reciting scriptures but only the ones I know word for word. I keep an open bible in my room and have had my house spiritually cleansed. I do not like 'familiars' if that's what they are and I'm tired of going to doctors to find the source of the pain only for them to find nothing. This is serious guys, I'm a 30 year old woman with 5 children and have better things to do than jerk you around. My experiences with the incubus are real and I put my life on that. If anyone can help, please contact me asap. Thanks for listening.

I'd like you to participate with me, in a little expirement.

Clearly you strongly believe this incubus is real.

And clearly I do not.

Yet I feel, that in me believing it isn't does not make it unreal.

Just I feel that you believing it, makes it real.

So I haven't read any other of your threads or posts, knowingly so, I may have, but remain ignorant to it.

Now.

What do you think has changed in the 8 months, was something removed then replaced into you place of sleep.

I would remove all 'electronic' devices from your room before you sleep.

They can severely affect you mentally, believe it or not, and cause signs of ghosts. Clearly as a person on ats, your imagination could pursue it to be an incubus.

Now I'd really like to see this take place.

I say throw away your bible, quit going to church, honestly speaking, not in a follow satan type of whatever.

But throw away things that enhance this imagination toward this false spirit.

Remove all alarm clocks from your room, anything that has electricity in it, television radio. If you do have an alarm clock. Keep it as far away from were you sleep.

Now if this persists, i'd recommend sleeping in another area of the house, if all this fails. I'm stumped till further notice.

But I beg you to give it a shot.

Originally posted by Jheysoda

Right before an incident, I'm kinda drifting off and get a strong tingling sensation. I feel light headed, dizzy and sort of OUT of myself. I began to feel like im floating but never leave the bed. All five of my senses become extremely aware but I can't move or talk. I can communicate through telepathy.

This is a precise description of a sleep paralysis/hypnogogic hallucination experience. I have had them throughout childhood and into adulthood, it can basically be described as a malfunction in the process of falling asleep leading to a situation where the sleep process begins but you are still awake and conscious of your surroundings. What is experienced is complete paralysis of the body (which naturally occurs when you fall asleep to prevent you acting out your dreams) and your interior dreamlife becomes superimposed upon your waking reality, an extremely common experience is the feeling of pressure on your chest as if something is sitting on or pushing against your chest. People often see demons or shadow people or monsters with extreme vividness and clarity and the experience is terrifying. Republican is correct, the electromagnetic fields created by any electrical appliances can potentially cause these effects, but not always. You should tell your doctor and see a sleep specialist. Drugs like melatonin may also help.

Regards.

Not one to really know about Incubus's but if you get a chance to talk to him / it again before he does his 'thing' , ask why he does it? what benefit does it give to him, obviously theres none to you , even the pain is unwelcome.
Ask what does he get from it ? Ask why the singled you out? and I suppose ask , no DEMAND that they leave you alone unless they do something for you in return, you allow them in some form or other to do this to you, you didn't ask for it specifically but I noticed there was a Ouija board mentioned, did you do anything to encourage the 'contact' ask why they came to you? did they hear the board calling or was it something else?

On a side note, I know its going to be awkward but I'd recommend getting a camera with a card that can tape all night , and monitor yourself , if anything shows up or looks suspicious then you have some sort of evidence , otherwise it could prove that what you are having is a very lucid dream episode?

Anyway hope all goes well , and to mention about myself, I'm not religeous apart from being a Pagan/Bhuddist ( I try to take the best of both), and not remotely interested in the Bible thumping , or Satan worshipping or even " you called it on yourself with the board" nonsense.

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Ok, I'm not trying to provoke you here but I have a few questions about this incubus.

How does it get at you at night? Does it pull the covers off of you? Penetrate you through your pajamas? Do you even wear pajamas? If you don't, you might want to consider wearing them.

Make some sort of chastity belt to sleep in!

See your family doctor or a psychiatrist.

Seek professional help. Not an internet forum.

Originally posted by AltruisticNarcissist

Originally posted by Jheysoda

Right before an incident, I'm kinda drifting off and get a strong tingling sensation. I feel light headed, dizzy and sort of OUT of myself. I began to feel like im floating but never leave the bed. All five of my senses become extremely aware but I can't move or talk. I can communicate through telepathy.

This is a precise description of a sleep paralysis/hypnogogic hallucination experience. I have had them throughout childhood and into adulthood, it can basically be described as a malfunction in the process of falling asleep leading to a situation where the sleep process begins but you are still awake and conscious of your surroundings. What is experienced is complete paralysis of the body (which naturally occurs when you fall asleep to prevent you acting out your dreams) and your interior dreamlife becomes superimposed upon your waking reality, an extremely common experience is the feeling of pressure on your chest as if something is sitting on or pushing against your chest. People often see demons or shadow people or monsters with extreme vividness and clarity and the experience is terrifying. Republican is correct, the electromagnetic fields created by any electrical appliances can potentially cause these effects, but not always. You should tell your doctor and see a sleep specialist. Drugs like melatonin may also help.

Regards.

well said!
i would like to add that while scary, sleep paralysis is not fatal and should not be feared. i take it OP that your not familiar with deep meditation or have little first hand knowledge about states of consciousness and the effects of these deeper states of mind.

sleep is something alot of us take for granted, or how "easy" it is to fall asleep. for me, it's very hard to fall asleep and often i do not sleep but a few hrs when i do.

if you are not accustomed to shifting your consciousness to induce relaxed brain function like "day" dreaming, lucid dreaming, out of body experiences or general transcendental meditation, i can surely appreciate your fear.

as you shift consciousness while being aware (you may not realize your doing it at all), you sense become VERY acute and your body will "vibrate" like crazy. you might feel like your about to be shook out of body. this is not uncommon, and with a few google searches you should find plenty of info about this and possible treatment. i would stick with holistic treatment first as using meds to change sleep patterns can be risky and most drugs are narcotic that do treat this.

on a side note, the being that is pestering you is feeding off of your fear. this is not apart of my worldview but, i have no isssue seeing why it could be apart of other peoples view of the spirit world. just know that you have a "soul" and your not just spirit, your flesh as well. they are very jealous of that fact according to some "experts."

a sure sign that its your fear and the energy that is created by it was this..."I thne told him I wanted him to go away and he laughed saying, "When you were at church and I was so-called cast out, I was standing beside you laughing."

it's giving you the idea that even in the house of your god, it can get to you. that is a attempt to increase your fear level and by that token, increase your energy output.

it only has the power you give it and nothing more. if you were to stop "feeding" it, it would move on.

try some google searching and if your still at wits end, feel free to u2u me.

as previously posted try getting help from a dr if you budget and circumstances allow it.

cheers,
AA

[edit on 5-8-2009 by anonamousantichrist]

an old 'friend'
the one I call 'nice'

And why do you call him these things instead of calling him...just for example...a demonic rapist...or a psychic invader...or an evil spirit...etc? The state of your own mind during encounters of this sort determines to a large extent how they will play out. if you decide if your mind that he is "a nice friend" then it's going to be considerably more difficult to get rid of him.

When I asked would he/they ever leave, he said no.

If you really want him to leave, then don't ask him if he's going to...tell him to leave.

Think of it this way...imagine this were a physical rapist and you were to politely ask him if he planned on leaving someday. Of course not. Why should he? He's getting something out of what he's doing, and you aren't exactly making it difficult for him to stick around if you're calling him "nice" and "a friend."

I was allowed to ask questions.

You were "allowed" to ask questions? Consider how you've chosen to phrase this. He "allowed" you to ask questions. Sounds to me like you have internally accepted the idea that he is the one in control, not you. How could he possibly "allow" you to ask questions? How could he possibly "stop" you? Oh, he may choose to answer, or to not answer them...but you didn't say that he decided to answer your questions. You said that he "allowed" you to ask.

If you accept that he is the one in control, he will be.

he said no.
he said yes.
I asked him was he a demon. He replied, "Now would
a demon be this nice to you?

Interesting that he gave you direct answers to the first two questions, but made a point of avoiding this one.

if there were more than one of him
'nice'
'mean'

It's possible the "nice" and "mean" one may be the same being. After all, it's easier to convince a girl to accept regularly being raped by a "nice" one if she feels like so long as she accepts the "nice" one she won't have to deal with the "mean" one as much.

have had my house spiritually cleansed.

I see. And yet, you and your boyfriend are both "permitted" to enter the house, yes? This cleansing action has done nothing to keep either of you away. Why is that? Clearly it does not simple "keep things out" but rather, keeps only things you consider "unclean" out. Seems to me like you have a strong notion in your head that this particular incubus is "nice" and "ok" so your spiritual filters are not screening him out.

If anyone can help, please contact me asap.

No one here will be able to overcome your acceptance of a "nice" "old friend" that you appear to have accepted is so "in control" of your life that you need his permission even to ask him questions.

If you really want him to stop visiting you, the first step will be to change your perspective.

Entities of this sort usually respond to power. If your belief system is such that you are able to call upon a third party (Jesus, or whomever) to intervene, that is an option. I notice, for example, that you say you've "cleansed" the house, and you've had some success "reading scriptures" but have you ever tried directly calling upon Jesus personally to "cast off this vile demon that plagues you?"

If your belief system is not comfortable with this method, then the "power" which will need to be used will have to be your own. From persoanl experience, yes...I will acknowledge that standing face to face with the "powers of darkess" and commanding them to leave, because you said so, is sometimes easier to offer as advise than to personally do. However...also from personal experience, I will tell you that it can and does work if you are able to pour enough willpower into it.

If not, then I recommend, as above, calling on a third party to intervene.

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Autowrench:

I can feel your pain and heartache. I know of the creatures you speak of, and they are easy to banish away from you. I read that you have an open Bible, I trust you have the Christian cross there too? These will not protect you, in fact, they will actually invite them to come, believe it or not. Now you need to banish and destroy this creature, and you need to read here:
www.zimbio.com...

And here:
wiccanhistorian.home.att.net...

The herb ‘Sage’ is often promoted and used, as it has properties that enable it to assist with the banishing of evil spirits or forces. Sage can be used to protect specific items by storing them with bundles or boughs of Sage, or the herb may be burnt through the practise of ‘Smudging’ in order to rid an area or home of the influences of evil spirits and demons.

Smudging is the practise of burning herbs such as Sage to create a cleansing smoke bath that can be used to purify people, objects, and homes of negative effects caused by evil or negative entities. Smudging is a practise utilised by many indigenous cultures including the Native American Indians.

The practise of smudging can be carried out using ‘smudge-sticks’, similar to joss-sticks smudge-sticks are purpose made from the herb Sage and may be lit with a candle. Alternatively loose dry herbs may be sprinkled over a burning log or indoor fireplace, etc. to achieve the same effect.

I would also sprinkle salt at all doors and windows in your home. This creature can be destroyed, but you have to do it. Do you have a strong will? Use it. I hope this has helped you. Love and Light.

I would recommend that you read the book, "Beware the Night" by Ralph Sarchie, and the book, "Hostage to the Devil" by Fr. Malachi Martin. You should also see if you can pick up Fr. Amorth's books on Exorcisms - He is the Roman Catholic Church's expert on these matters. You can find these books on Amazon at a very affordable price.

My personal opinion, contrary to the other posts here, is that you need to seek a qualified Catholic priest familiar with these matters. A Catholic priest will direct you to the appropriate psychiatric and psychological resources for a full examination of your mental health.

Most archdioceses have at least one (1) Catholic priest in their area that is familiar with these matters, though this is not always the case as priests are in short demand nowadays. You may have to explore further than your local area to find a qualified Catholic priest.

If the problem is determined to be a spiritual one, and not a medical issue, the priest should be able to assist you - not necessarily with an exorcism (though that may be necessary).

Many Catholics will have their house blessed by a Roman Catholic priest, complete with incense and various prayers. Catholics also place St. Benedict medals throughout their house, pray the Rosary, go to Confession regularly, and attend Mass daily - These are all recommended practices, though many American Catholics no longer practice the faith as ardently as even this.

The Devil hates Latin - so if you can attend a Tridentine or Latin Rite Mass, all the better. This is a battle for your soul, make no mistake about it. My 2 cents - Good luck.

Hi JheySoda

I've read your previous threads and I can understand how this must be truly awful for you. I think a whole lot of issues became entangled creating this situation, and if you want some peace of mind you are going to have to untie all these knots and deal with each piece one at a time, and these would be my suggestions, taking it step by step:

First, make peace with the sleep paralyses - it is a spiritual awakening process; it is an altered state where your normal consciouness and your expanded/ higher consciousness seperate from each other to teach you that you are not simply your body. This state can lead to wonderful experiences and insight if you work with it and not fight it. You can reach the same place through meditation and it should be quite easy for you to do, and you may feel that you have more control over it because your are very much awake. Work with it and not against it.

Secondly, you have to address and work through the past sexual abuse and from what you have described it must have been very traumatic for you, escpecially at the age of 8. A child at that age doesn't understand and cannot process this horrendous experience the way that we can as adults, so the child makes do with what she has at that point. The question that you have to ask is how much of your ideas or experiences of demons was created at that time, and is it possible that you're still stuck in the little girl's paradigm? I'm not discounting entities visiting people etc, merely asking you to truly establish where the ideas of the demons came from. A lot of demon ideas are created by us.

Thirdly, from what I read from your posts, you seem to have been "open" to a spiritual development path from a very young age and very sensitive to all things outside of the normal senses and experiences. My sincere opinion is that during this whole process you have been going through the awakening process, which normally start when your chakras start to open - hence the other perceptions/feelings that you have. The problem, here I think, is that because of the sexual trauma, there have been serious damage done in you two base chakras which now is very unbalanced and blocked causing your normal life force, which is primarily experienced as sexual to become out of balance. The life force energy simply doesn't flow simply and easily; it bumps up against all these old hurts and blockages and escpecially the fears.

So basicaly, what I'm saying is that that you are going to have to fight these demons from many angles: find a really good therapist to talk through the sexual trauma issues, and seperate it from your incubus experiences going on now. At the same time, start to meditate again and make peace with the altered state. During the meditation process you can actually ask for Higher help and truth to help you through this process, and focus on that help rather than the demons. I promise you it works - you will have all the help that you need. And lastly, during meditation you can start to clean up your chakras and (if you need more info google it, or I can give you some pointers) or visit an energy/reiki healer to help you with this.

It's going to take some time, but not as much as you think. As you deal with all the old hurts you will find that the need for the demons will go away. They will have done their job, and you can control your own life again.

I wish you well, and even if you didn't ask for it, I'm sending you little healing and loving energy