AP sources: Russian subs patrolling off East Coast, page 3

posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 07:30 AM

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Perhaps the natural responce would be to have to "attack-class" American subs cruise 20 miles off Russia's coast-seems fair is fair.....

I don't think Russia is actually stupid enough to think it can itimidate the US or do something even more studid, actually attack the us from said subs.

dragonridr

posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 07:32 AM

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Originally posted by WestPoint23

Originally posted by Manincloak
I must say, that's a pretty stupid guess. Beyond stupid even. I have no idea why you (or anyone) would even suggest that a Russian sub would randomly defect. I guess the myths surrounding Russian militaries still run high on ATS.

Or it could be that goof and sarcasm are what Deltaboy had in mind. Sounds to me like the only thing running high, or should I say low, is you dry sense of humor.

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I guess no one reads though in this case they made a movie so theres no excuse. People its a joke Sean connery would have got it!

dragonridr

posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 07:33 AM

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Originally posted by mrmonsoon
Perhaps the natural responce would be to have to "attack-class" American subs cruise 20 miles off Russia's coast-seems fair is fair.....

I don't think Russia is actually stupid enough to think it can itimidate the US or do something even more studid, actually attack the us from said subs.

Just so you know they do where have you people been as long as they stay in international waters there fine.

Pamie

posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 07:58 AM

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The US Gov fed this to the press. If if was a real threat, we wouldn't know about it. It's almost like they are trying to embarrass Russia by saying, "Peek-a-Boo, we see you" to the whole world.

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mrmonsoon

posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 08:16 AM

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I am sure it happens on occation.

What I ment was to have Russia "KNOW" that there are 2 attack-class subs 20 miles off their coast.

It's one thing to snaek subs in and out....

But to openly show you have two subs off the coast is diffeernt, i hope you can see this.

Just a gentle reminder, yeah, you too!!!

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Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 05:43 PM

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Originally posted by mrmonsoon
Perhaps the natural responce would be to have to "attack-class" American subs cruise 20 miles off Russia's coast-seems fair is fair.....

I don't think Russia is actually stupid enough to think it can itimidate the US or do something even more studid, actually attack the us from said subs.

First of all, there probably are several American nuclear subs patrolling Russia's water boarders, specifically their northern fleet HQ.

Secondly, "attack submarine" means they are designed to hunt down and destroy other submarines, not launch multiple nuclear-capable SSBMs. The fact that they are nuclear powered means that they run silent and can stay submerged for months on end if necessary.

mrsdudara

posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 06:19 PM

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Here is a news video from fox that explains it well.

Fox News, Russian subs

To sum it up a bit, they state that the subs are not the type to fire missiles but the type that search, find, follow, and gain information. AKA spy subs. One was by Georgia and one by New England. The things that are most bothersome is that they did not let us know ahead of time, which has been the case for all countries up to this point, and that they had been patrolling our east coast at a fairly close range.

One thing I have noted from all the news sources I have read is one little detail. They were found by a coast guard helicopter when they surfaced. Not the military.

mrmonsoon

posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 06:24 PM

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reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

That part may be true, but.....

Both the Russian as well as American subs have nuclear tipped torpedo's as well as smaller/shorter range missiles, think cruize not icbm for subs.

That said, so close, I am sure either country could get off 5-10 missiles/rockets before anyone could do anything about it.

princeofpeace

posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 10:28 PM

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True...but the ramifications of getting off those 5-10 missles? Well lets just say whomever did that would have no home country to return to or any country for that matter. Hope they packed a lot of food. =)

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

That part may be true, but.....

Both the Russian as well as American subs have nuclear tipped torpedo's as well as smaller/shorter range missiles, think cruize not icbm for subs.

That said, so close, I am sure either country could get off 5-10 missiles/rockets before anyone could do anything about it.

xmotex

posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 10:38 PM

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One was by Georgia and one by New England. The things that are most bothersome is that they did not let us know ahead of time, which has been the case for all countries up to this point, and that they had been patrolling our east coast at a fairly close range.

Yes, that's what they do.

They hang around off King's Bay and New London to get sonar fixes on our subs and try to track them. But it's not easy, we're very good

I assure you that some dedicated USN bubbleheads are doing pretty much the same thing off of somebody else's coast right now - unobtrusively collecting data.

That's what a real sub force does.

Actually it's kind of nice to see the Russians back in the game, but considerably more friendly.

As for those who are saying we in a new Cold War, my guess is you didn't grow up during the real one.

Tensions with the Cold War era Soviets were much higher than they have ever been with modern Russia.

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YourForever

posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 11:05 PM

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Originally posted by princeofpeace
Well lets just say whomever did that would have no home country to return to or any country for that matter.

And no Earth for the rest of us, either.

sapperranger04

posted on Aug, 5 2009 @ 11:29 PM

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DR. Jack Ryan would know what to do. Probably going to do a crazy ivan at the bottom half of the hour.

whoshotJR

posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 12:00 AM

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OP please note that I got your joke

I find this very good timing as we are also doing Dirty bomb exercises in new york. Probably nothing but I thought it was nice to just so happen we have a large force training on the east coast at the same time Russia feels they should do some spying.

mrmonsoon

posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 11:35 AM

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And it JUST so happened to be happening at the same time

Don't get me wrong, I fully realize it is a show of force for Russia's benefit.

Again, I think it is a message, as the subs are openly patrolling, as to be seen, not hiding and patrolling to not be seen.

ElectricUniverse

posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by Raider of Truth
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Big deal.. here in the UK we get russian bombers flying into our airspace every couple of weeks and a fighter flying over Scotland each week.

There is also the occasional dreadnought in the north sea, i've even seen the bombers when i visited some family in Scarbrough, pretty cool to watch the RAF fly out to sea to escort the bombers back

Big deal?....

Have you ever thought about the possibility that the Russian government is testing the UK's military capabilities to respond to these incursions by the Russian military?...

Do you think the Russians are just good kids playing hide and seek with your military?...

For crying outloud some people really show a total lack of common sense....

ElectricUniverse

posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 02:05 PM
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It is a lot more than just a show of strength imo.

How is it that an enemy can catch another nation off guard which has advanced military equipment which can detect a sneak attack?

1. You keep doing what the Russian military has been doing. You keep sending military incursions close, and even inside other nations airspace.

2. You make those nations think that "this is just a regular military exercise and we mean nothing by it."

3. Then when the nations which are the target have fallen into complacency, and when they see "oh boy just another military exercise by Russia", that's the best time to attack.

That is the best way you can catch nations like the UK, and the U.S. off guard.

Remember that Russia, China, and other nations are part of a group in which they have agreed to help each other militarily, throught the Shangai Coopertion Organization although they claim it is to fight terrorism, but the thing is that many nations part of this group ARE active sposors of terrorism.

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WestPoint23

posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 02:26 PM
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You're confusing civilian press release statements meant for broad public consumption and diplomatic normalcy, with in house military policy and perspective.

Trust me, there's no slacking going on. Our war fighters relish the opportunity for little old fashioned state v. state, conventional v. conventional showdown; it is the bread and butter domain of the U.S. Armed Forces. However there is no reason to move it past a non hostile environment, and out of the hypothetical realm.

Originally posted by xmotex
Tensions with the Cold War era Soviets were much higher than they have ever been with modern Russia.

Furthermore, there was the crucial and decisive ideological element. There was the geo-political/military/economic competition and tension for power. And then there was that mutual distrust, open ridicule, and hatred for anything chiefly Soviet or Communist, or American and Capitalist based. This is lacking now, it is a non factor with Russia, and even China. The nearest thing you can compare it to would be the whole 'Middle East/Muslims/Terrorist' deal. And Hugo Chavez is also trying his best to create this missing element in his crusade against the United States.

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neformore

posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by deltaboy
Must have lost a submarine. Most likely a Typhoon class sub with intention of defecting to the U.S., hence why the Russian attack boats are patrolling near the east coast of the U.S.

Does that mean all the US subs that routinely patrol in areas off the shores of Russia, and near to their major ports are defecting there?

And the ones that do the same to monitor the Chinese navy.....?

and the ones in the Gulf.... defecting to Iran right....?

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mrmonsoon

posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 02:37 PM
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The real difference is.......

When you are sneeking around, hiding.....it is one thing.

When you allow your subs to be openly seen, it is a different thing.

It is a show of force and arrogance.

I am here, what can or will you do about it.

This is clear what the case is, followed by a large anti-dirty bomb exersise in the area.....

neformore

posted on Aug, 6 2009 @ 02:49 PM
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So is that why the US engages in the practice then?

I ask because its not just the Russians that do this, and - in my opinion -anyone who thinks it is must be seriously missing some serious truths about the way the world operates.