Man touches UFO that made crop circle?

Originally posted by Sam60

Originally posted by franspeakfree

Originally posted by grapesofraft
This has already been proven to be a hoax and Linda Moulton Howe is a con artist. Isnt it obvious to you that these pics are fake?

LOL I have lost count how many people have been 'proven to be hoaxed' on this website. If ATS say its a hoax then it must be a hoax

IMO crop circles are a way that et can communicate to the people that need to know without going to thru others that don't.

I still don't understand why something would communicate through a field full of wheat, etc..

Why wouldn't it just go on the TV or the radio or something?

It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Just because you can't understand why they would do something.... doesn't mean it isn't real.

Originally posted by Total Package

Originally posted by Sam60

Originally posted by franspeakfree

Originally posted by grapesofraft
This has already been proven to be a hoax and Linda Moulton Howe is a con artist. Isnt it obvious to you that these pics are fake?

LOL I have lost count how many people have been 'proven to be hoaxed' on this website. If ATS say its a hoax then it must be a hoax

IMO crop circles are a way that et can communicate to the people that need to know without going to thru others that don't.

I still don't understand why something would communicate through a field full of wheat, etc..

Why wouldn't it just go on the TV or the radio or something?

It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Just because you can't understand why they would do something.... doesn't mean it isn't real.

Well that is quite true

It has been discussed on a previous thread -

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Until I see the video footage, all I can see is a man releasing a balloon and nothing more.

We'll have to wait for the video of the incident to be released. Then we'll have over 10 minutes of footage to this incident. Supposedly, a film group is holding the rights to the film right now, but it should be released soon. Or thats what Linda M.H. said on coast to coast last week.

Originally posted by mars1
This is a good story spikedmilk i put this in my thread yesterday it adds a little more to the crop circle debate.
And he's going to show his videotape on a television documentary don't know when just say's sometime in the future.
Good thread S+F.

THANKYOU

Hmmm....it seems whenever money and the paranormal mix, its likely a set up for disappointment ...In my opinion if its something that would be extraordinary such as proof of UFO's or whatever, lets just put the footage out there. Worry about accolades later, this is supposed to be important stuff. Thanks for the info tho

Originally posted by warpath1984

you should be spiked because they arent made by aliens flying in from outerspace. they are made by members of the DOD ( dept of defense ) using their satellites equipped with microwave technology to push down stalks of corn or wheat, making geometrical designs in the feilds.
how convenient that the form of energy used by our good buddy aliens happens to be technology available to consumers in the 70s or 80s on earth.

i am more on the side of them being made by us vs. them but that is an interesting thought, we have the technology and are just putzing around with it until the time when its used for other means.

Originally posted by meatballxl5
It has been discussed on a previous thread -

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Until I see the video footage, all I can see is a man releasing a balloon and nothing more.

Well....

That other thread certainly makes the whole thing seem dodgy, notwithstanding the inherent dodginess of all discussions about crop circles.

Originally posted by grapesofraft
This has already been proven to be a hoax and Linda Moulton Howe is a con artist. Isnt it obvious to you that these pics are fake?

Originally posted by BlackShark
I was really interested in this when I stumbled upon this little detail:

Over at Earthfiles,

And that was a turn off..

[edit on 2-8-2009 by BlackShark]

Hmm, I didnt realize earthfiles was so discredited. I dont have an account there so really I didnt know. But I do know that they are supposed to have the good stories but you have to pay for your memebrship. I guess this kinda goes hand in hand about what i said earlier about money and the paranormal.

reply to post by mars1


Thank you for the link! despite the graininess that is interesting.
Since we dont really see a UFO or a person (from what we can tell) I'd assume the formation could have been made with an overhead energy emitting type device.

This picture is so out of focus, if it was me seeing this, even with my 7MP camera i would have been able to get a much clearer shot than this without even trying. Also it just dosnt look "real" the image of the "UFO" looks really wrong...... Photoshop me thinks lol

Originally posted by Sam60

Originally posted by franspeakfree

Originally posted by grapesofraft
This has already been proven to be a hoax and Linda Moulton Howe is a con artist. Isnt it obvious to you that these pics are fake?

LOL I have lost count how many people have been 'proven to be hoaxed' on this website. If ATS say its a hoax then it must be a hoax

IMO crop circles are a way that et can communicate to the people that need to know without going to thru others that don't.

I still don't understand why something would communicate through a field full of wheat, etc..

Why wouldn't it just go on the TV or the radio or something?

Maybe we, as in (everyday john doe's) are the ones that don't need to know?

While no humans have been caught and filmed yet, doing the circles, several video footages, photos and reports of UFOs in close relation to crop circles have been made.

One thing is to ask for proof all the time, another thing is to ACCEPT it once you get it

Ko3

reply to post by franspeakfree

Well maybe.....

But really, I just don't get the crop circle thing

Originally posted by Sam60

Originally posted by franspeakfree

Originally posted by grapesofraft
This has already been proven to be a hoax and Linda Moulton Howe is a con artist. Isnt it obvious to you that these pics are fake?

LOL I have lost count how many people have been 'proven to be hoaxed' on this website. If ATS say its a hoax then it must be a hoax

IMO crop circles are a way that et can communicate to the people that need to know without going to thru others that don't.

I still don't understand why something would communicate through a field full of wheat, etc..

Why wouldn't it just go on the TV or the radio or something?

It just doesn't make any sense to me.

I can very well imagine that there's a meaning behind "Them" using nature (crops) to submit their messages to us, and not our primitive technology (TV, radio and all that CRAP).
The fact that "They" use crops could be part of the whole hidden message.

Ever thought about the possibility that those who create the circles are also the creators of all life on this (and other) planets? Are celular lifeforms one of THEIR very advanced technologies? Makes very much sense to me that they would use THEIR technology as a carrier for their messages and not ours.

Ko3

reply to post by kid_of_3NKi

Well who knows.....

It's just a crazy topic, really.

I don't know what to make of it.

On balance I must lean to "terrestrial" origins.

There's absolutely no evidence that this "thing" made the crop circle, all

the story talks about is that it's in the general area. They didn't film it

actually making anything, also this was a picture from a camera phone

and at an awful pixel rate at that. Get me an HD image and I'll be satisfied.

reply to post by unicorn.thorn


HAHAHA a video??? I'll hold my breath and I can see the headlines

already, "Man dies of suffocation awaiting video of Crop Circle being

made."

The irony is the people who cry hoax, CGI and photoshop have no more proof than any tin foil hat fanatics.

Linda howe has published numerous books, runs a website with millions of hits and has been on Coast2Coast many times.

What are your credentials grapesofraft? I was a cam operator for NBC, ABC and many others for years. There is no way I could make any legitimate conclusion on the authenticity of a photo which started as a frame grab of standard def, consumer grade video that was compressed further to be posted on the web.

Had the person who claims to have touched the ufo not posted the frame grab, I bet you would have cried hoax just the same.

Try looking on the bright side of life. Its much less stressful and the possibilities are endless.(Posted while driving. Pardon spelling)

Originally posted by zarp3333
The irony is the people who cry hoax, CGI and photoshop have no more proof than any tin foil hat fanatics.

Linda Howe has published numerous books, runs a website with millions of hits and has been on Coast2Coast many times.

Oh thanks for adding me to your respected foes list because I don't believe anything that comes from Linda Howe.

I have proof that Linda Howe is a FRUAD. She has been caught supporting HOAX's even after they have been proven to be a HOAX. She has been caught making up false stories just to add content to her website, and sell it to gullible people.... Oh yes I have proof too..

Credentials?! Linda Howe doesn't have any, she lost all credibility LONG AGO. Uninformed people like yourself just haven't been around long enough to know.


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Anyway... so you want proof it is a HOAX? I said earlier that all it will take is time. I was busy studying the images last night. Also, the interview words. All I have right now is some really suspicious stories.

You know how police officers question all the people to find any inconsistencies with their story and the evidence? That's kind of what I did.

Ok lets start with logic first.

1: If you have film of a guy touching a UFO, would you release the video right away in excitement, or would you only release a few key frames, and then try to profit off the video?

Most people would rush to the computer and upload the entire video A.S.A.P. to tell the world of this once in a lifetime event the world has never seen... But, that didn't happen.

They have a MOTIVE already... (suspicious) They are trying to profit off of the video, by not releasing it. They release a few pictures for advertisement, then get gullible people to pay to see the video, or get tv studios to buy rights to the video.. It sounds like a crappy business plan, created by money hungry HOAX profiteers.


2: The story goes like this: """"Andrew seemed to be walking around looking as if he could not see it! So, I called him on my cell phone and asked him, 'Can't you see the silver craft in front of you?' But Andrew could still not see it!""""

So, Paul was able to see it, and his camera was able to see it, this means it is "visible light". However, Andrew couldn't see it, and neither could the camera that he was holding. This is suspicious too...

This most likely means there was nothing next to him, or around him. The object Paul supposedly filmed could easily be off in the distance, further away from the horizon. Only Paul could see it because he is on a different altitude of land, with a different perspective. Andrew was further away and could see down the hill more , and just wasn't looking in the same spot because he was on a different altitude land too, and could see down the hill further than Paul (they had different horizons).

The fact that one could see it, and the camera could see it, but another person closer to it couldn't see it is very suspicious, and is a clue.

What makes me sick is that people will automatically say that it is a "UFO" from "out of this world", and that will automatically give them the right to make up any pseudo-science they could think of to explain it away. They can make up any excuse in the world with no scientific backing, because it's "out of this world" and they "probably operate outside of known physics".. It's just a lame excuse really..


3: Then they say this: """"So, Paul began trying to guide Andrew by phone closer and closer to the silver craft above him. At one point, Paul yells in the phone, "Andrew, you're so close, put your arm up and see if you can feel anything.""""

So if you look at the pictures, what do you think that Andrew is doing with both his hands at first?? They look like they are both in front of him, like he is holding some type of remote control with both hands. Then look at the picture with his arm in the air. His other arm is still down further. It does not look like he is on the phone. Of course he could be using a blue tooth headset, but still, it's a bit suspicious that his hands appear to be in front of him, doing something. It does not look like he is on the phone. Just another clue to take note of.


4: Then the lie, """"Andrew Pyrka lifted his left arm straight up toward the sky. "Instantly, when I put my arm up, there was a huge jolt of electrical current that went down my raised arm. I don't think I touched anything solid," he told me, "but I definitely interacted with some kind of strong field the UFO must have been giving off. But why couldn't I see it where I was, while Paul could not only see it, he videotaped it for another fifteen minutes?""""

I think this entire quote is a complete fabrication. He says "I don't think I touched anything solid"... It should read, "I dont think I TOUCHED anything." Because he didn't touch anything... he just raised is arm and supposedly felt a jolt down his arm. He didn't "touch" with his fingers. He didn't touch with his "hand".

It's just another exaggerate HOAX with false claims that even Andrew himself can not prove, not even if he shows a video.

Once again, one can see it, and their camera can see it, but another can't.... VERY GOOD CLUE TO TAKE NOTE OF.


5: Then the fraud Linda Howe says this, """"Back in the mid-1980s after I had produced the TV documentary A Strange Harvest, a man who had worked for an American intelligence agency told me the U. S. government was well aware that UFOs were of extraterrestrial origin and had a technology that could deflect photons. He said, "You can have 100 people in a park and this technology can control photons to such a point that only one person out of the hundred might see a craft right above their heads. That also could explain the cases of people driving cars on a busy freeway and are confused after stopping to stare at a UFO in the sky that all the other cars keep rushing by."""""

The above quote is most likely the basis of this entire HOAX. Some guy told Linda Howe something, being as gullible as she is, she took it as 100% truth, and is using it to give some type of false support to this HOAX. This tactic is used by all HOAXers, find anything you can, provable or not, to support their HOAX.

If you have seen as many HOAXs as myself, you would know the importance of her adding this above quote into the story.

Source: www.earthfiles.com...


So let's look that first object:

To me it looks like an aircraft (maybe a crop duster) disappearing behind the horizon. Meaning, it is a LOT further away than the horizon. This leads me to believe that the other object is also a LOT further away than the horizon.

This image above looks more like a "forced perspective". Meaning that Andrew didn't have a clue where the object was in relation to his hand, so Paul was guiding his hand in the direction, just so they could get this shot, and make it look like he is touching a "UFO".


Here look at this wikipedia link about forced perspective.

en.wikipedia.org...

Here is a good example:



I know with out a doubt that this is a HOAX. It is either;

A: CGI

B: Forced perspective of a cloud, or aircraft in the distance.

I'm leaning more towards B.

[edit on 3-8-2009 by ALLis0NE]

Let's get one thing straight right off the bat. If I were lucky enough to capture to capture that kind of footage the first thing I would do is try to sell it. The entire news and documentary business is built around selling images.

The first image of Michael Jackson's sheet draped body sold for a lot money. The fact the photographer sold the image did not negate the fact that he was DEAD.

The rest of your pathetic argument was full of speculation and projections. Your gave no specifics on your indictments of Howe. They are purely hearsay.

You write with an awful lot of conviction. How do you purport to know the intentions of third parties?

I love ATS because there are skeptics here with incredible amounts of knowledge in arcane subjects. However I suffer foolish skeptics no better than than blind fanatics.

You are obviuosly very intelligent and a capable writer. I, for one, would certainly place more credence in your arguments if they were either tempered with a dose of humilty or grounded with a modicum of facts.