Photo - Obama's Kenyan Birth Certificate (political fraud)

reply to post by schrodingers dog


As far as we know, this is coming from the Kenyan Constitution, which was written in 1963.

Originally posted by schrodingers dog

Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by tonygal

 

Essentially, though they weren't a republic, they would have put "Republic of Kenya" on official documents as they knew what the form of government was going to be.

Has anyone located a single official Kenyan gov. document to back this up?

Not being snarky, I just don't remember seeing any such document.

they have it on another forum,

reply to post by octotom


He could have had it done when Obama was born in 1961.

But that raises the question, if it was needed in 1964 for their divorce, wouldn't they have just gotten a copy from the hospital in Hawaii?

AND, wouldn't Hawaii have a record of them requesting a copy for the divorce?

If so, where is that request?

If no request, where was the birth record?



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reply to post by octotom


His dad might of wanted to take his son that shares his identical name with him. I dont know much about the divorce but did his dad try to fight for custody.

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It seems like this woman Attorney would have been bumped off by now, like with Clinton, They were dropping like flies around him, someone say they were going to spill the beans thay had accident, or murdered.

Just like the Key wittness in the Obama passport investagation , was found shot Dead.

This all looks real to me the dates are right, the rason is right, someone must have gotten big buck for digging this one up, plus some betraiyal.

[edit on 2-8-2009 by googolplex]

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by schrodingers dog

Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by tonygal

 

Essentially, though they weren't a republic, they would have put "Republic of Kenya" on official documents as they knew what the form of government was going to be.

Has anyone located a single official Kenyan gov. document to back this up?

Not being snarky, I just don't remember seeing any such document.

they have it on another forum,

And we are supposed to guess which forum that is?

Tell you what... I'll start with all the forums on the web beginning with A!!

C'mon Storm, use your common sense. link us to this forum please, or if you don't know which forum it is, tell us that.

reply to post by JBA2848


Now that is an interesting point, so Obama could be a dual citizen and didn't even know it. But he was still born in Hawaii, so he could have BC from both countries.

reply to post by octotom


But as I pointed out earlier:

Kenya has a democratic government with political pluralism. In June 1963, Kenya attained internal self-government. On 12 December of the same year, independence was achieved with a complex Majimbo(federal) constitution, which conceded much autonomy to the regions. On the first anniversary of independence in 1964, Kenya became a Republic with Mzee Jomo Kenyatta as the President.

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www.kenyabrussels.com...

Like I said, until we get an actual document before a court, and not a jpeg of a picture of a document, all of this discussion is mostly moot.

reply to post by triplesod

And we are supposed to guess which forum that is?

According to the T&C, we're not allowed to openly give out the addresses to other forums. At least that's what I thought. That's probably why storm dancer didn't give the forum's address.

It's 3:30 here in Deutschland. I'm probably gonna have to head off to bed now. Thanks for the interesting discussion. Please don't go too far ahead in my slumber!

Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
reply to post by JBA2848

 

Now that is an interesting point, so Obama could be a dual citizen and didn't even know it. But he was still born in Hawaii, so he could have BC from both countries.

He knows where he was born, he has all along, he just never knew he would become the president.

UH OH I just found something



According to someone I wont name, the document came from, the law firm that handled the divorce back in 64.

I was thinking the divorce papers had something to do with this.

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Originally posted by schrodingers dog
reply to post by octotom

 

But as I pointed out earlier:

Kenya has a democratic government with political pluralism. In June 1963, Kenya attained internal self-government. On 12 December of the same year, independence was achieved with a complex Majimbo(federal) constitution, which conceded much autonomy to the regions. On the first anniversary of independence in 1964, Kenya became a Republic with Mzee Jomo Kenyatta as the President.

(em)

www.kenyabrussels.com...

Like I said, until we get an actual document before a court, and not a jpeg of a picture of a document, all of this discussion is mostly moot.

where in your post does it say they didn't used the term before it was "official" ?

you should read this:
(2) In this paragraph " the constitutional provisions " means the
following, that is to say-
(a) this Act ;
(b) any Order in Council revoking the existing Constitution
Order and providing for a new constitution for Kenya to
come into effect on the appointed day ;



www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1963/pdf/ukpga_19630054_en.pdf

Very interesting FF! S&F! Looks a lot more convincing than the Photoshopped ones Obama's people have been trying to pass off on us.

reply to post by schrodingers dog


I think that the flow of the argument is, yes, officially and formally in 1964 did Kenya become a republic, but in the year before that, when the Constitution was adopted in 1963, it was known that Kenya was going to be a republic in '64. Therefore, instead of changing official papers suddenly at that point in December to say "Republic of Kenya" there was a transition period in which "Republic of Kenya" could be used.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


Wait, the OP's photo, the "Kenyan Paper", comes from the law firm that handled the Obama's divorce case?! Man, I might never sleep tonight...

Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by schrodingers dog

 

I think that the flow of the argument is, yes, officially and formally in 1964 did Kenya become a republic, but in the year before that, when the Constitution was adopted in 1963, it was known that Kenya was going to be a republic in '64. Therefore, instead of changing official papers suddenly at that point in December to say "Republic of Kenya" there was a transition period in which "Republic of Kenya" could be used.

this post should be copy&pasted 100 times so that we don't have to answer the SAME QUESTION over and over

Originally posted by mikerussellus
reply to post by octotom

 

He could have had it done when Obama was born in 1961.

If he did it in 1961 it would have made him a U.K. citizen.

Kenya Constitution Chapter 5, paragraph 87

Persons who became citizens on 12th December, 1963
Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on llth December. 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963:

I'm going to use This website to put the conflict of Kenya not being a Republic to rest once and for all.

Government:
Type: Republic.
Independence: 12 December 1963 (from UK).

Okay now get a new argument. Kenya was officially a Republic the day they gained independence.

Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
Now that is an interesting point, so Obama could be a dual citizen and didn't even know it. But he was still born in Hawaii, so he could have BC from both countries.

Obama knew he was born with dual citizenship. It was posted by his team on fight the smears, also on factcheck & snopes.

As to having a Hawaiian birth registered in Kenya, sure it could be done, but there is NO WAT that in 1961 it could have been registered the day after Obama was born.

There were no fax machines in 1961 & FedEx didn't exist either.

It is more likely that the Hawaiian registration was a "delayed registration" quite possibly after the Obama divorce happened.

If Obama's birth had occurred in Hawaii, then Hawaii would be the ones producing a copy (as this one is presumed requested) for the divorce proceedings.

Obama Sr never even responded to his legal notification that the divorce was pending, so there is no reason for him to have requested it at all.

The Obama divorce was granted by default.

It really wouldn't take too much trouble to "create" a document like this. Until someone can actually prove that this is legit, I'm going to assume it's fake - much like the majority of subject matter here.