Assault-weapons ban expiring

In case you are not aware, the 1994 ban on "Assault weapons" will expire on September 13, 2004.


Read a little bit about the ban here www.ont.com...

And here www.jointogether.org...

What do you think?

I've seen the numbers that 'say' that crime is down. It proves we are just killing at a slower rate. But people still die, regardless if it is an assault weapon, or a rock to the skull.

Sad truth is people kill. I am an advocate for guns, not gun control.

I enjoy shooting, but my attention has turned more to airguns, not firearms. It is quite a rush hitting a two inch target at 35 meters.

Not to cause hard feelings for the Brits, or the Irish among us, but if America removed every gun here, people would turn to bombs.

America has fought many wars, the war on litter, the war on crime, the war on drugs, the war on terrorism.

We still have litter.
We still have crime.
We still have drugs.
And we will continue to have terrorists.

Writing laws won't solve the problem.
The death penalty hasn't solved the problem.
And taking away guns won't solve the problem.

People will kill with/without guns.

IMHO,

G

Wait, so that means its legal to carry what, exactly?

Sniper rifles?
AK?
rocket-propelled grenades?
can i drive an Abrams to school?

good i'm glad its expiring we have to protect oursleves from all these "sleeper cell" terrorists and suitcase nukes and roaming freeway snipers..... dam, how did we ever survive?

People will kill with/without guns.

exactly. usually, people will kill with the most efficeitn means. namely, a gun. without guns people resort to baseball bats, arrows, anything. people will kill, no matter if they have weapons or not. no wonder we're so good at killing each other off, we've had lots of practice, since cain&abel....

These are some things that make a rifle illegal...

Flash supressor=illegal
Muzzle brake=legal

Collapsible stock=illegal
Fake collapsible stock=legal

Bayonet lug=illegal (that's so the criminals can't fix bayonets when they run out of rounds, you know...)

Muzzle brake may not allow the attatchment of M203 style grenade launcher to the rifle.

High capacity Magazine=illegal
I'm not sure, but I think the legal magazine holds 10 rounds.

Shaving the seer to allow automatic fire.


Look, I'm a constitutionalist, but at this point, I don't think anyone really needs to attach a bayonet or a grenade launcher to their rifle. I know I don't. It could be fun, but... I also don't think making rifles more easily to conceal, even though most instances where rifles are used in crime would just as easily be accomplished with a handgun.

I can't figure out what the deal is with the flash suppressor... maybe to make it easier for law enforcement to spot snipers, I don't know. Anybody?

[Edited on 10-5-2004 by DeltaChaos]

I for one will be glad to see this useless do-nothing feel good joke of a law fall off the books, its an infringement on the second amendment and has done absolutly nothing to lower crime.

For those that are uninformed, whether or not a rifle has a flash suppressor, bayonet lug and a pistol grip, it doe's not change its function. A 10 round magazine is easily changed back to its original 20 round configuration.

This law was and is a joke, anybody trying to tie statistics to this is deluding themselves.

When this emotional law was passed the use of so called assualt weapons in crime was 1% - again an ineffective joke to fool the masses that did not know any better.

Now the same lies are being bandied about again to make political points for do-nothing politicians wanting you to falsely feel safe.

^Agreed. All this does is infringe on people who buy guns legally. Do you think that a criminal is going to care?

Love my guns, yes I do. The night before I go to the range I can hardly sleep. Maybe I'm a nut, maybe not. It's fun, it's a sport. Al'be DAM! If I haven't had enough of these darn laws. Preban bullcrap!!!!!!!! I work hard, pay my taxes, and follow the law. Like it, or not. I can't wait for these laws to change.

Laws that stop good poeple from doing what they want don't make a lick of since to me._javascript:icon('')

We used to be able to own assault rifles freely in the UK but the knee jerk reaction of our goverment at the time made the ownership of such weapons illegal when a solitary nutcase with an AK and a grudge against the world went on the rampage in Hungerford in Scotland. This was back in the 80's

A few years ago all high calibre pistols was also made illegal. Basically everything above .22 and even then .22 pistols were subject to strict rules.

Personally i dont have aproblem with this except for the following fact which makes the above looks stupid..

Gun crime has QUADRUPLED maybe more since those rules were introduced. And the black market for illegal weapons among the criminal fraternity is spiralling upwards unchecked.

It is widley recognised that legal owners of weapons are generally professional, and criminal free.

I personally think its our goverment again trying to sofen us up for the time they take total control over our country. No guns, no resistance.

Originally posted by rustiswordz
Gun crime has QUADRUPLED maybe more since those rules were introduced. And the black market for illegal weapons among the criminal fraternity is spiralling upwards unchecked.

And people wonder why so many Americans are against gun control, the laws only affect law abiding citizens and not criminals the laws are supposedly targeted against.

Gun control to me is hitting your target.

A rock to the temple is just as effective as a .50 cal to the head. You know... I'd even be brash enough to say that a .50 cal shot to the heart will hurt less. Why not ban rocks?

why not go one better, allow people to use weapons but chop off the index finger of every weapon owner.......

Like the French did with captured English archers at Agincourt. Cut off the two fingers to pull the bow string back.

The fun thing is, you can own any gun you want if you have a collector's permit

I'm applying for one, and my step-dad has one currently.

How does a muzzle brake make a rifle illegal? Step-dad's 50 has one; and that was a perfectly legal transaction. I have armalite to thank for that one.

Originally posted by intrigue
The fun thing is, you can own any gun you want if you have a collector's permit

I'm applying for one, and my step-dad has one currently.

How does a muzzle brake make a rifle illegal? Step-dad's 50 has one; and that was a perfectly legal transaction. I have armalite to thank for that one.

intrigue, good idea. can you "collect" fullauto's? If so I'm getting one. Redtape? Pass me the knife please.

Originally posted by intrigue
The fun thing is, you can own any gun you want if you have a collector's permit

I'm applying for one, and my step-dad has one currently.

How does a muzzle brake make a rifle illegal? Step-dad's 50 has one; and that was a perfectly legal transaction. I have armalite to thank for that one.

The license you're applying for is most likely a C&R (Curio & Relic). You cannot own "any gun" with this license. Do you really think the government would leave a loophole that large?

FYI, Muzzle brakes aren't illegal either.

Read up on this.... www.atf.gov...

I cannot remember my statistics exactly, but I'm certain that of all gun crimes, rifles are less than 5% of total. And that includes crimes where having the rifle WAS the crime in question.

The choice of the professional hitman is not some sophisticated russian sniper rifle with a scope like the Hubble.

The way the mob does it, the Italian guys, is with a 22lr pistol revolver with a homemade silencer. The guy just walks up and bumps the vic with a big box or backpack, and the dude falls to the ground. They throw the box or bag in the river, and there's no evidence to work with.

I don't see the harm in having legal assult rifles. It's not like the nutters who shoot everybody could ever get an assult rifle legally. And then theirs the saying "Guns don't kill unless you aim real good". Me personally I think an assult rifle would look good on my wall. And three people a day in the US die because of their own guns but at least one person a day kills them self in the bathtub by accident so considering that guns are supposed to do that and bathtubs aren't you may as well outlaw bathtubs. And this law was one of those last minute laws the Clinton adminstration rushed and passed on the last few days in office.

Full auto weapons have been tightly restricted since the National Firearms Act of 1934. They are legal to own, but the hoops one has to jump through, along with the cost of applying make it darn near impossible. C&R license holders may purchase firearms legally through distributors, but only for weapons that qualify as Curios and Relics.

The AWB is feel good legislation that only drove up the price of "Pre-Ban" weapons and "Pre-Ban" magazines. It did not stop the manufacture of AR-15s or M1A rifles, the manufacturers merely adjusted production to accomodate the new rules. The primary difference between a Pre-Ban M1A and a Post-Ban M1A is the presence/absence of the Bayonet lug. In the AR-15, the bayonet lug and the flash supressor were removed from all post-ban models.

I will be happy when this Clinton era nonsense is gone. It did nothing to reduce crime, especially drive by bayonettings, though I now know of one bayonet attack that has happened in the USA, and it happened last year.

www.clintongunban.com...

[edit on 19-6-2004 by Wudman]

I fired AK's in the army both in auto and semi and the only thing that could be said about auto is your ammo runs out faster. An AK on auto has a sharp rise of the barrel as soon as you pull the trigger, if your target is more than one hundred yards away they are very hard to hit. For the M 16 or the AK it is much better to fire single rounds because the rifle will recoil but you can get back on target quickly and not lose your sight picture between firings as with auto. During live fires at the range we would be given two hundred rounds for each down range pass where we would run from target to target. After the target was hit three or four times you could just tear up the area around the target because there were normally seven or eight targets and 200 rounds to shoot. On semi you could watch the grass or what ever you were firing at fly in all directions even when firing four or five rounds in less than five seconds. The thing I love about the assault weapons ban name is that no matter what they look like they are not assault weapons, assault weapons fire auto and civvy versions do not.

Ok, I live in Great Britain and I own a Colt .45 (1911), a Semi-Auto Ruger Rifle and a Sako Sniper Rifle, If I wanted I could go out and kill LOADS of people, but I havnt and wont. There is no point in any of the laws banning guns except for the 'No Full Auto' law, that just makes sense. The thing is, if I wanted I could easily get one/several from the Black Market! Also, even if you banned all guns and couldnt get hold of one, you'd just grab a kitchen knife or somthing else! I dont see why they outlawed pistols except the .22LR Pistols, the Assasins Weapon of choice is the .22LR Semi-Auto Ruger Pistol!! All I can do is give a round of aplause to how much Britain has cocked up THAT issue!

[edit on 5-7-2004 by The_Squid]

Oh, and if I were to purchase an Assult Weapon what restictions would be on it? and would i be able to buy it on 13 Sep. 2004?