Alien initiated cover-up? Or Government cover-up?

I know there are many people (including myself) that would love to have disclosure of the UFO/extraterrestrial phenomenon. Many people put the blame on the Government for the coverup. Do you think its time we blame the aliens? I pose this question: What if the aliens told the governments not to disclose any information, would you blame the Governments then for not disclosing information, or the aliens? Do we as human beings have a right to know about extraterrestrials? Are the Governments of the world caught in a catch 22?

I personally am caught 50/50 on wether the aliens want us to know about their existence. They are so sneaky and almost impossible to find (obviously). I would love the Governments of the world to disclose information, but I am just not sure wether they are "allowed" too? And if they did, what would the aliens do in retaliation? I just think there is more to the story than the Governments just hiding information.

What are all your thoughts?


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If the Aliens came here and told the Govt. to shut it, they are probably here in not so good intentions, or else, why the need to hush it down from their side?

If the aliens have superior weapons of MD, the Govt. realy have no choise in the matter, but then again , if they are evil and the Govt Know it is Game Over, they are just buing time 'playing along' as they work on ways to get them .

OR, they came and said : We come in Peace , like P.Hellyer said , and Cooper if Im not mistaking, then the Govt. are hiding it, and they are the evil ones.

But, I feel this have happend here before any ways....

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Watch Torchwood: Children of Earth, it makes you think that maybe your right and also, what are we really up against and if they did know would they ever tell us? Great five part mini series that makes you think, and feel.
I rarely watch mini series or even this sort of stuff, but my sis wanted to watch and I live in the middle of nowhere so, nothing else to do.
We were talking during commercials and even dealing with many conflicting emotions as it was so maybe true.

Watch and let me know what you think, but you could be very right.

i think they are both currently in it together.

If either of them was not part of the cover up then surely we would see and know more.

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Thanks! I'll let you know what I think!

Mat

If aliens are visiting the planet, the cover-up is of their own accord. If they wanted to make outright, overt contact with humanity, no power on Earth could stop them. For right now, it does not seem any aliens visiting the planet want to make contact with us.

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"From an abductee prospective."

I believe that our national government is just paying the rent on this rock.
If so, they provide what ever is required by the so called owners.

That would mean that its left to the national governments to keep the pot from boiling. Only if it were perceived that they are not going to be meeting there required obligations would the gloves come off. So to say.

I think that high levels of the National government are in the loop.
Maybe to some limited level even the States governments are in the loop.
But - that the local governments are left alone and totally unaware.

The thought that those in power so dearly fear the public's proception is my only other thought on this.
They think that they would fall out of power if became common knowledge that there are others that pull their strings.
The public already thinks this of major corporations.
So in my perception that reinforces my original thought that they are paying the rent.

We only occupy less than 1/3 of the total surface of Earth.
We know more about space than we do of our waters that cover the other 2/3's of the Earth. Yet we think of ourselves as absolute rulers of the planet.

Currently MIB & USN CCG are neck deep in forcing the blackout.

I believe in the early 1970's or mid 1960's the USAF took their projects black.
This mean's privet organizations with insulated contacts would be running the show.

Oh well.
I just thought I would throw in my 2 cents.
I am looking forward to see the future banter on this thread.

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I watched that series, the alien agenda and the government agenda concerned me just as much as each other, to tell the truth if they are there then both parties are involved. An alien visit could happen when ever they felt like, just drop into orbit, relay a small message over the airwaves, televisions or even mobiles and its over. The governments might not actually know anything, most, if not all military, navy and air force have no connection with government whatsoever. So they probably can't disclose because they have nothing to disclose.

I don't like where all this is headed, far too much secrecy for far too long, somethings a miss. I hope for a surprise visitation with a quick explanation so we can all move forward with these shinanigans and hop on board the next "What the hell is that" train.

Originally posted by grantbeed
i think they are both currently in it together.

If either of them was not part of the cover up then surely we would see and know more.

g

You are correct the cover up comes from both sides. The aliens want free passage without hindrance from the Human population of Earth and the governments with treaties with aliens on Earth want the technology and protection being provided. ^Y^

I personally am caught 50/50 on wether the aliens want us to know about their existence. They are so sneaky and almost impossible to find (obviously).

Yes, it's time for everybody to think carefully before reflexively getting mad at supposed actions and attitudes supposedly taken by governments.

If there are ETs coming to Earth on their own power, then they undoubtably have the capability to let everybody on the planet be aware of their existence if they so desired.

Logical conclusion

Assuming there are actually ETs visiting Earth:

(a) There are no ETs who want to (or are able to) make themselves known to us generally. 100% certainty.

There are unknown consequent possibilities.

(b1) ETs are not making any particular special attempt to cover up their activities, the "low observability" is only a side-effect of their desired activities, but their intentions are unknown.

(b2) ETs are trying to make an attempt to cover up their activities, but are not coordinating with governments.

(b3) ETs are trying to make an attempt to cover up their activities, and have pressured the governments to maintain this coverup, possibly because their activities are malevolent.

Another possibility.

(c1) There are no ETs coming to Earth. All observations of apparent anomalies are mistakes, natural phenomena or secret government projects.

Under hypothetical scenarios (b1), (b2), (b3) or (c1), when would the governments be motivated to "disclose" --- if they have anything to disclose?

I see none. If governments have no knowledge of ET's intentions or capability to discern them or defend against them, then any disclosure would harm people---us---more than would help.

Under any of those scenarios, is the government being "evil" in not disclosing? I don't believe so.

The only clearly "government is evil" scenario is "ETs are nice space brothers who will help us but government is preventing them because they want to maintain the elite's control." That's what people, immaturely IMHO, tend to believe.

But if it were so, could the governments actually have the capability to stop such ETs? Very likely not. But even if so, couldn't the ETs let us know that our governments were stopping them and thus we'd pressure our governments to stop? Yes.

Suppose ETs were undesirable and only a few in government knew this for sure. What would make sense as a policy? To me, it seems like the best strategy would be to cover it up and secretly conduct research to try to gain greater capability (Men In Black scenario). Motivation for government cover-up? Yes. Is this cover-up a good idea? You betcha.

If there is going to be ET-human conflict, we need a chance of winning.

I would love the Governments of the world to disclose information, but I am just not sure wether they are "allowed" too? And if they did, what would the aliens do in retaliation? I just think there is more to the story than the Governments just hiding information.

Yes, it is an analysis of why they might be hiding information.

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Government cover up.
More so the controllers of the governments around the world.
Big stuff.
Bigger than Aliens.

I have --long-- concluded that the intelligences behind the -anomalous- ufo phenomenon (I say that cuz there's lots of mundane 'ufos') are behind all the coverup'y stuff. Ultimately. For a recent while, I became more skeptical, about the earth-human side of the secrecy, and decided that ufo-mention within intelligence-gathering data, were there collateraly, and there probably were no 'Smoking Man' (of The X-Files) Cabals. But it has occurred to me, that, why then do the intel communities and government not save themselves a lot of hostile suspicion toward them, by telling everyone that bogeys are just wil-o-the-wisp bogeys as far as they know, which is not much more than the rest of us. (Remember, when Dick Cheney told Grant Cameron, "It's classified." [And he wasn't referring to sources and methods] ). I strongly believe, nonetheless, that something diabolically wicked, spiritually, has to do with all that stuff. I'm not practicing religious, but I do not count out the possibility of fallen angel intervention and possesion. I myself have encountered the ufo phenomenon, it's high strangeness, missing time, harassment, and military/intelligence-related experiences.

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case 1)
Secrecy is never good.
If they (aliens) were mostly good then they would disclose.
Maybe they have another plan, and not clearly good or spiritual intentions.
Secrecy is never good.

case 2)
Maybe they would fear we go crazy when things are disclosed.
In that case, if they were good-intended, they would appear, like Jesus, to give us some guidance, and then go away again. Otherwise we have case 1.
Secrecy is no good.

case 3)
Or case 3, they see that issue as irrelevant, and have a defined date for disclosure, when they think (wisely) that it is the moment.
If the problems with our nuclear, economic or environment problems become too bad, maybe they will appear.
But I still think secrecy is no good. They could give us a brief disclosure. like in case 2. And give us some help. Maybe they know, by their expertise, that disclosure is only useful after a certain stage of evolution.

In my own case, I have had disclosure on my dreams, and I have seen one Ufo before.
Do I want to see more?
No.
No spiritual or positive feelings there.

So, maybe this proves to some degree case 3: maybe I am not ready, in case they are good guys, I still am not prepared, and I confuse things (but in that case we do need solutions and guidance)
So, case 3 may be unlikely, but I might be wrong

Or, because bad guys like to act in secrecy, and only disclose if things get out of their control (and this proves completely case 1).

In that case, I want our full human loneliness

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