Did Jesus tell us who satan was? Name is Baraq O Bam-maw..if wrong prove it.

If BO is the Anti Christ why did hundreds of people get sick while listening to Coast to Coast with George Noory last Friday nigth when he interviewed Maitrayas public relations representative, Benjamin Creme?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

So who is it BO or Matraya? I think it is BO because his cap and trade and healthcare legislation are going to enslave a great nation, and the finacial collapse will usher in a one world government. just saying.

reply to post by helen670


No worries about the misunderstanding. What I was getting at about his marriage scenario was that it was status quo to be married in those days. Those that were not married were a minority, something which people would have seen as a defining quality of that person.

Therefore, I find it very suspicious that no text nor account mentions the fact that he is unmarried. Leading me to assume that it is MOST LIKELY that he was in fact married.

The texts - you are quite right - do make a point of him not being married, to not have bedded and that he was not born with original sin.

However, the very character of Jesus is contradictory. When you mentioned Jesus is God in flesh you are correct. (those of you that didnt know this, look up the Holy Trinity). "and the word became flesh and dwelt among us".

So...how is it you can have a omnipotent (this is key for what im about to say), omniscient and omnibenevolent being in as flesh, in a human body? Jesus...being in a human body...COULD NOT have been in London and Jerusalem AT THE SAME TIME. Since he is in a physical form.

This presents the problem of HOW can you have an omnipotent being as flesh? Surely as flesh he is not Omnipotent?

Secondly, (i have stated this before), to be Christian, you HAVE TO believe Jesus performed miracles. Now...why would Jesus heal a paralysed man, but then the Father (who is one in the same, just a different (part/way for us) to relate all powerful being) allows the Holocaust?

How can an omnipotent, omniscient and here, most importantly omnibenevolent creator allow the Holocaust. He is all loving, so he should want to stop it, and omnipotent so he should be ABLE to stop it.

The very NATURE of the God of Classical Theism is illogical.

That ladies and gentlemen is why I am not Christian.

reply to post by Toughiv


Hi tough/

You asked some well deserved questions
God the Father..
God the Son..
And God the Holy Spirit.
In Genesis we read...God says Let US make man.

In the Gospel of Saint John chapter one verse one...IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made
For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily (Colossians 2:9) by Whom all things were made; [All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made (John 1:3)

The WORD is better explained below in the link I gave...LOGOS,which was in HEAVEN when God the Father created Man...

Another understanding of the 'WORD' or the 'LOGOS' is the Creed unchanged...The whole of the Christian Faith rests with the Creed,and it is taken from Scripture.
www.genuineorthodoxchurch.net...
Hope I dont confuse you here, but here goes...
The reason God Took Flesh and became man was to SHOW man how he could be united with God once again...No man was able to do this but God.
Adam the first man who sinned(broke away from God)and MAN was needed to fix what was done by man...through ADAM, came DEATH...BODILY DEATH.
God needed a female human body who was good enough to destroy DEATH brought by SIN...He chose Mary(Theotokos-God-Bearer)to be the vessel(The Ark of the covenant in the Old Testament also pre-figures this as the Theotokos)
books.google.com.au...
(sorry my computer wont allow pop ups?)

This is a difficult subject to explain, and I am no expert on it and therefore will not attempt to expain it in my own words, but here is a little on the LOGOS-He is of one essence with the Father.
www.ellopos.net...
You might also want to have a look at a discussion on the Trinity..
www.monachos.net...

God allows FREE WILL as He did in the creation of Adam and Eve...ONE commandment He gave them...they failed.
God allows things to happen because man is free until he DIES.
God made man to live FOREVER and not experience death of the body.
Angels on the other hand...have no BODY but only a SOUL(SPIRIT)...they do not marry(re-produce)nor do they sleep or need bodily rest as us humans.
Many tragedies have happened in the World, and still to this day they continue to happen...we are not robots and therefore we act with a conscience...its our conscience that tells us what is morally right or wrong.
This is why Revelation speaks of Judgment Day...we ALL shall confess our wrongs and rights to God-He who gave us part of His Soul shall confess ONLY the truth.
Guardian Angels are our protectors, and Demons are our Accusers.

Christ is called the WORD...
He took Flesh and became one of us to show us that we being in the flesh also will experience similar to what He went through...He showed us in a most humility kind of way...He LOWERED Himself to save us.
Have we ever done something to offend or maybe hurt another?
Yes, if we were punished for every crime we did, then it would not be free will.
Likewise, we are told for our benefit what is good for us in the long run...
How long is a human life...100 or so years if we are lucky!
And what is eternity ?
Life of a true Christian is as it was shown by the Lord Jesus Christ.
He died a mortal death so we can again share in his God Head.(Colossians 2:9)
He released Adam and Eve(Crucifixion was where Adams Skull lay)He was the Passover Lamb...For ALL of mankind.
SIN...He took away mans SIN-BODILY DEATH
Each person is only guilty of their own sin.

Satan ...having no body, he experienced first hand what it was like to fall away from God.
Pride was his only fault...he wanted to be God,was not happy to be close to God.
Satan attacked Gods creation out of jealousy...God made man perfect as He was.
Which is why we are called 'gods'..another subject.

Well, after all this, I probably confused myself...not an easy subject to explain..wish you well.

ICXC NIKA
helen


Did Jesus tell us who Satan was?
Satan is a fallen Angel...he is not and will not be the antichrist.
Antichrist is a man...filled with the SPIRIT of Satan.
And so there are MANY antichrist we are told....but not all make it as the Antichrist before the end of the world,of which he will be the most terrible that ever was..

IX
helen

I apologize if this has been said before but i didnt feel like reading all the posts --

I studied Hebrew for 3 years and know quite a bit of greek (though i have never taken any classes in greek) but i assure you this is nothing but hocus pocus - Although you are right in how the words lightning and heights are pronounced you totally misquoted the scripture.

Luke 10:18 'And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.'

There is no reference or use to the word heights - the word for heaven is 'shamayim' which sounds nothing like obama

Isaiah 14:14 'I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.'

In Isaiah it is saying that lucifer said this - however when it refers to "Lucifer" it is not even referring to satan. It is referring to the Babylonian king 'Lucifer'.

SOOO - Firstly - never does it say lightning and heights in the same scripture (as was represented in the video and this post)

Secondly the Isaiah scripture does use the word heights but not lightning and is referring to the Babylonian king - not satan at all.

DEBUNKED

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I'd say like I insinuated earlier:

From Luke 17
"The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you." Then he said to his disciples, "The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. Men will tell you, 'There he is!' or 'Here he is!' Do not go running off after them. For the Son of Man in his day will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other.

The same things were said about Bush when he was in the White House and it never happened. Now they're saying this stuff about Obama.

Originally posted by Antaun
The same things were said about Bush when he was in the White House and it never happened. Now they're saying this stuff about Obama.

hi Antaun/
Correct you are!

Satan on the other hand wont materialize into a human...it is not spoken of in the New Testament nor in the Book of Revelation!
People should know this, otherwise confusion and deception arise so quickly.
Here's a few Greek sayings...
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office
---Aesop (~550 BC)

The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance
---Socrates

Think not those faithful who praise all thy words and actions; but those who kindly reprove thy faults.
---Socrates

ICXC NIKA
helen

Originally posted by Mindmelding
But isn't Obama's name really Barry Sotoro?

This is the sort of psuedo prophetic nonsense that really twists my nipples. It's all bs. First they setup the premisse, linked to satan which, through indoctrination since childhood is supposed to fabricate a fear based reaction, for control obviously. Then they fabricate the circumstance to fit the premisse.

Again, ALL THIS IS PSUEDOPROPHETIC PSYCHOLOGICAL MANIPULATION. This is how psychopaths work. They analyze (and sometimes fabricate) your fears and then they provide the stimulus to control you by them.

Wake up. Christ and antichrist are archetypes, they manifest themselves endlessly through the universal fractal. There is nothing to be scared of, it's just yin and yang, and can be lived or unlived with nothing more than an individual choice.

I hope the mods forgive the billboard all caps, but some of us have to keep the sheep sane.

Barry Sotoro!! THAT'S IT!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!! I remember reading that in TIME magazine and forgot the name. So, I looked all over the web and could not find it anywhere. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!

reply to post by helen670


Another understanding of the 'WORD' or the 'LOGOS' is the Creed unchanged...The whole of the Christian Faith rests with the Creed,and it is taken from Scripture.

Scripture has been canonized...so the whole of Christian faith rests upon something that has been manipulated by man, cut pasted and edited?...very reliable.

The reason God Took Flesh and became man was to SHOW man how he could be united with God once again...No man was able to do this but God. Adam the first man who sinned(broke away from God)and MAN was needed to fix what was done by man

He set an example. So he creates man and makes us sin...he is all knowing..so he would have known that we would eat the apple. Just so he can set an example to us. Erm ok.

God needed a female human body who was good enough to destroy DEATH brought by SIN...He chose Mary to be the vessel

i think you are wrong there. He chose mary and impregnated her without physical intercourse, so that Jesus did not inherit original sin. Seems befitting for a book that is trying to say God came to Earth, LIMITED himself and set an perfect example...just seems very arbitary for an all powerful being to do this...no? Then expects generations to believe in the jesus character, after the bible has been edited, after two thousand years... with blind faith.

"the only way to heaven is through me"

God allows FREE WILL as He did in the creation of Adam and Eve...ONE commandment He gave them...they failed.

He knew this would happen.

Overall you didnt answer my questions. you just gave me background history to what most people already know.

reply to post by Toughiv


Well,Hi again.


Answer your Question.
You dont have to, believe in MIRACLES to be Christian!
This is NOT what a Christian is about.
The Crucifixion and Resurrection is what Christianity is about.
The prophecy of the Old Testament is about REDEMPTION.
A Messiah will come....it begins in Genesis....through a female line...

Jesus Christ in the flesh felt pain and suffering.
Jesus Christ as the LOGOS knew He was to be Crucified and through the Resurrection reconcile man to God, as it was before the falling away(SIN)

The same with the Antichrist...many have been born,but one that can fullfill all EVIL is yet to appear.
Jesus Christ was born of a virgin(Mary-Theotokos-God bearer)God The Father waited till the right time to reveal Himself in the flesh through a righteous woman(As it was woman who sinned first).

When the TIME is right, so will the ANTICHRIST be born in similar ways.
Anti...
The word in Greek means in place of, instead of.
Also everything in opposite of what Jesus Christ was.
Satan in the flesh....NO!
He will be a man who would have accepted to do the WILL of SATAN.
As Theotokos(God-Bearer)also accepted with humility to bear Christ the Lord.
In prophecy it never states dates and times, because they CHANGE depending on peoples actions.

ICXC NIKA
helen

reply to post by helen670


"You dont have to, believe in MIRACLES to be Christian! "

I think you'll find you do. You have to believe that Jesus was the Son of God. To believe in his status, you have to believe he was born to a virgin (miracle one), walked on water (miracle 2) Turnt water to wine (miracle 3) AND SO ON.

I think you'll find that as soon as you stop believing Jesus performed miracles, he is no longer the Son of God, only a very good man.

Thanks

Originally posted by Toughiv
reply to post by helen670

 

Another understanding of the 'WORD' or the 'LOGOS' is the Creed unchanged...The whole of the Christian Faith rests with the Creed,and it is taken from Scripture.

Logos, or language allowed "G-O-O-D" to turn on the lights.... btw the exact same thing happening in the later Judean creation where the "satani" Lilith, Adam's ex tricks the for her beastlike Eve to eat Belladonna and other madjic remedies. God comes and curse the earh since they will spray mock on the 'êawrch and will hammer weapons capable of killing the One-god whose son gives birth to a son with an Iron rod in his standtarth'. Frekk standarts, I usethcem as spears! (drinking beer, so it's kinda funny seeing Christians wind their robes against the wind)... Inherited sin? Love and mens and childbirth, plus a test in how to survive a dying planet circling a dying Sun. First the dice, the-n the opals.

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The mere existence of threads like this makes me despair of ATS and, indeed, humanity as a whole.

Thinly disguised racism blended with superstitious foolishness.

It's not edifying.

Originally posted by rich23
The mere existence of [real!] threads like this makes me [searge?] despair of ATS and, indeed, humanity as a whole.[Your fate fait andfaith.]

Thinly disguised racism blended with superstitious foolishness.

It's not edifying.

Something like that?

Added: what you did is what you issz. Jesse returns...… -- –– ——

[edit on 19/8/2009 by Neo Christian Mystic]

Edit: Take the end and put it before te binning and you form the first word: abba!

[edit on 19/8/2009 by Neo Christian Mystic]

From the egg comes the lotus, killing the seconda bornse.

[edit on 19/8/2009 by Neo Christian Mystic]

there is another funstuff on youtube on this topic:

Only in America can the majority of the voting populace elect a black man only to have the minority or non voters call him the Anti Christ. Are we this bored as a nation? The guy is trying to be a leader for The United States. He isn't trying to deceive us in order to steal our souls. Bush already tried. Seriously though, I don't think Jesus would have used Nostradamus like clues to enlighten us about the Devil. He would have said "don't vote for Obama. Barak Obama from Illinois (D) is the Devil!" Why all the detective work?

update from the original video i posted at start of the thread.

explains it better for you folk's.

Originally posted by Toughiv
reply to post by helen670

 

"You dont have to, believe in MIRACLES to be Christian! "

I think you'll find you do. You have to believe that Jesus was the Son of God. To believe in his status, you have to believe he was born to a virgin (miracle one), walked on water (miracle 2) Turnt water to wine (miracle 3) AND SO ON.

I think you'll find that as soon as you stop believing Jesus performed miracles, he is no longer the Son of God, only a very good man.

Thanks

Hi Tough/
These 'miracles' actually have meaning behind them!
These are not merely just for entertainment purposes as are many 'magick shows' and the like!
All the Miracles of Jesus Christ HAD a meaning behind them, they are not EMPTY miracles, they hold a meaning to them....mostly to fullfill the Old Testament prophecies told by the Old Testament Prophets!
Miracles are also performed by the Devil...in fact, quite fascinating ones!

My faith stems NOT from miracles!
If this was the case, I would be a follower of Satan and his demons, they also perform great miracles!(and I have seen this!)

ICXC NIKA
helen

Originally posted by rich23
The mere existence of threads like this makes me despair of ATS and, indeed, humanity as a whole.

Thinly disguised racism blended with superstitious foolishness.

It's not edifying.

Omg ....go cry on ya obama shaped pillow..gezzz

nothing racist here go away little obama troll.

Originally posted by TheAmused
Omg ....go cry on ya obama shaped pillow..gezzz

nothing racist here go away little obama troll.

Like I said, when the son of man comes, it will be like the lightning shining from one end of the sky to the other in an instant (or just about... sorry Einstein...)