US citizens must take front line in national security: Napolitano

Originally posted by jsobecky
I think it is safe to say that many on this forum support whistleblowers when it suits their agenda.

I think that if someone reported a suspicious package that turned out to be a bomb...and YOU were sitting next to that suspecious package/then the "snitch/whistleblower" served YOUR agenda (to live and be prosperous)....

whereas this "snitch" could (under your train of thought) simply walk away.....BOOM....now you're dead...maybe you only lose a leg or two....If I told you after the fact that I saw that package, YET decided not to be a "snitch"...I bet you would have some choice words for me now wouldn't ya?!


[edit on 29-7-2009 by Aggie Man]

reply to post by Frankidealist35


Sounds just like what they were saying in the Bush43 administration.
I'm not seeing much of a difference .... where's the 'change'?

Nepolitino sucks...i watch my neighborhood, but not how they want me too. You know what gets me the most..this terrosit crap started when the twin towers fell on september 11, 2001. All i ghave seen, is over the past 8 years, is an escalating movement BY the fed and congress, to spy on its own citizens, and try to promote forced labor and military to civial projects...aka the army or marines or national guard working with lcoal cops to see how seatbelt checks are done, things like that. 8 YEARS! and what haas happened here on mainland USA since? NOT a thing..thier up to NO good.

Originally posted by Aggie Man


I think that if someone reported a suspicious package that turned out to be a bomb...and YOU were sitting next to that suspecious package/then the "snitch/whistleblower" served YOUR agenda (to live and be prosperous)....whereas this "snitch" could (under your train of thought) simply walked away.....BOOM....now you're now among the living...maybe you only lose a leg or two....If I told you after the fact that I saw that package, YET decided not to be a "snitch"...I bet you would have some choice words for me now wouldn't ya?!

This is so far off the track of what I refer to as a whistleblower that it's actually funny.

we need to learn what her actual address is and report her anonymously to DHS.
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Originally posted by jsobecky
What is the difference between a snitch and a whistleblower?

A snitch is someone who rats out his friends when they commit illegal acts.

A whistleblower is someone who rats out a person who is abusing their position of power and authority to commit illegal acts, either in a Corporation or in a Government Agency.

Could you be both a snitch and a whistleblower if you were ratting out a friend in Government? Silly wabbit! Everybody knows that Politicians and CEOs don't have any real friends!

Frankly, I feel that if a person saw his friend doing something illegal then they should personally stop them and intervene. If a person isn't capable of being a good friend to his friends and keeping them out of trouble then I guess they have to resort to snitching.

However, that's where snitching is different than spying. You snitch when you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that something illegal has happened, because you were witness or party to that illegal activity.

Spying is reporting what you observe happening regardless of whether something illegal or not has happened because you don't personally know but are working under the assumption of guilt and wrong-doing.

What Napolitano is suggesting (just as was suggested in the G.W. era) is tantamount to the Inquisition, the Witch Hunts, and McCarthyism. It is a trial by accusation, not a trial by jury.

It seems like a good time to point out Sen. Margaret Chase Smith's "Declaration of Conscience" given to the US Senate on 1 June, 1950.

I think that it is high time that we remembered that we have sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution. I think that it is high time that we remembered that the Constitution, as amended, speaks not only of the freedom of speech, but also of trial by jury instead of trial by accusation.

Whether it be a criminal prosecution in court or a character prosecution in the Senate, there is little practical distinction when the life of a person has been ruined.

Those of us who shout the loudest about Americanism in making character assassinations are all too frequently those who, by our own words and acts, ignore some of the basic principles of Americanism—

The right to criticize;
The right to hold unpopular beliefs;
The right to protest;
The right of independent thought.

The exercise of these rights should not cost one single American citizen his reputation or his right to a livelihood nor should he be in danger of losing his reputation or livelihood merely because he happens to know someone who holds unpopular beliefs. Who of us doesn’t? Otherwise none of us could call our souls our own. Otherwise thought control would have set in.

The American people are sick and tired of being afraid to speak their minds lest they be politically smeared as “Communists” or “Fascists” by their opponents. Freedom of speech is not what it used to be in America. It has been so abused by some that it is not exercised by others. The American people are sick and tired of seeing innocent people smeared and guilty people whitewashed.

Today our country is being psychologically divided by the confusion and the suspicions that are bred in the United States Senate to spread like cancerous tentacles of “know nothing, suspect everything” attitudes.

If you witness a crime being committed, then you have every duty as an American to follow your conscience and do as you feel must be done. That is more than a Constitutional Right, it is your mandate decreed in the US Declaration of Independence!

However, if you start suspecting crimes being committed based entirely on assumptions, and turn against your brother and sister, neighbors and countrymen, then you are no better than McCarthy and his cronies making accusations of people being Communists, or Abigail Williams pointing her finger at people being Witches.

reply to post by thisguyrighthere

Makes me glad I'm surrounded by like-minded folks. Complain about a deer in a truck or a gun on a hip and ask where the Starbucks is you're apt to get labeled a terrorist and run out by the sheriff.

The first thing I did was look at your location to see if you were from Texas.

Well, I have learned something today...we're everywhere!

Originally posted by jsobecky
This is so far off the track of what I refer to as a whistleblower that it's actually funny.

Well, anything less than what I stated is OFF TOPIC. READ THE ARTICLE!!!!

Napolitano stressed she was not advocating "a culture of spying on one another,"

"There's actually an important role we can play in educating even our very young about watching for, and knowing what to do, if you're in an airport and you see a package left with no one around," she said.

She's not asking people to report the aroma of marijuana lofting from the neighbor's house...She is talking about national security. What are you talking about? You think she is encouraging people to call from their cell phones while driving down the highway just to report speeders?

[edit on 29-7-2009 by Aggie Man]

reply to post by fraterormus

If you witness a crime being committed, then you have every duty as an American to follow your conscience and do as you feel must be done. That is more than a Constitutional Right, it is your mandate decreed in the US Declaration of Independence!

However, if you start suspecting crimes being committed based entirely on assumptions, and turn against your brother and sister, neighbors and countrymen, then you are no better than McCarthy and his cronies making accusations of people being Communists, or Abigail Williams pointing her finger at people being Witches.

Oh. OK. I was thinking of instances like where the NYT blew the whistle on the methods the US was using to track bin Laden.

Caused us much harm, but helped Osama to effectively go off radar ever since.

The libs praised the NYT for months afterwards.

Oh yeah, if you get a chance, dig out that "mandate" you mentioned.

reply to post by Aggie Man


Calm down.

I'm not interested in Janet. She sucks, imo

It just amuses me to see the double standard being played here as usual.

Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by Aggie Man

 

Calm down.

I'm not interested in Janet. She sucks, imo

It just amuses me to see the double standard being played here as usual.

Sorry if I misunderstood ya! So we're clear, you fundamentally agree with what Janet said then? Like her or not...she is right!

reply to post by Frankidealist35


This is full blown COMMUNISM. Been there done that.
I've told fellow ATS'ers before, there will be snitching committees in every neighborhood, If you should express any, shall we say, disagreement with your life, if a word is uttered that is constituted as anti government, you will be picked up and that will be that. Real or perceived.

And the labor camps are just around the corner.

I just wanted to let everyone know who has posted in this thread that I've reported you to Napalitano as being possible terrorists.

We need to stop the horrible terrorist problem we have in this country.

But then again....we don't need to protect our borders.......

reply to post by jsobecky


Thats not what this is about, genius.

I take it to mean they want the population involved in turning in one another. Just like where i come from.And she's full of it, SHE IS REFERING TO MAKING US ALL VIGILANTES.

Americans- The White Terrorist.

Smoke one.

[edit on 29-7-2009 by dgtempe]

Coincidentally, this story of "homegrown terror" breaks the same week of NLE 2009 & Napolitano's call to action for US Citizens to take front line in national security:

So is this the model "they" want us all to perform, become snitches/liars to help them achieve their goals (bolded mine)?

RALEIGH, North Carolina (CNN) -- A woman whose husband and two sons are accused of plotting "violent jihad" overseas said federal authorities tricked her into leaving her home so they could search it.

Sabrina Boyd says terrorism allegations against her husband, Daniel, and two sons are false.

Sabrina Boyd said Tuesday that she rushed out to a hospital earlier this week after being told her loved ones had been in a serious car accident.

The FBI declined to comment on the allegation.

Seven men already arrested in the case face charges of supporting terrorism and conspiracy to commit murder abroad. They are scheduled to appear in court on Tuesday.

Officials identified three of the men as U.S. native Daniel Patrick Boyd, 39, -- who according to the indictment had fought against the Soviets in Afghanistan -- and Boyd's sons, Dylan Boyd, 22, also known as "Mohammed," and Zakariya Boyd, 20.

Sabrina Boyd, the wife of Daniel Patrick Boyd and the mother of the two younger Boyds, said the allegations against her family are false.

"I know that my husband and my sons are free of guilt," she told CNN Tuesday. "I'm hopeful that the truth will come to light." Learning about the arrest of her husband and sons had been particularly distressing because of the manner in which she found out, she said.

She said federal authorities sent a person the family knew to her door this week to tell her that her husband and three sons had been sideswiped by a tractor-trailer.

The person was wearing a shirt that appeared to be covered in blood, she said, and told her "it was grave and they were bleeding, and I needed to be rushed immediately to Duke Hospital," she said.

For Sabrina Boyd, the news was all too familiar: In 2007, her 16-year-old son, Luqman, was killed in a car crash.

"I had already been through this two years prior," she said.

She said authorities took her, her daughter and pregnant daughter-in-law to the hospital, where she learned that her husband and sons had not been in a car accident.

"When we got to the hospital they brought us around back, separated us, handcuffed us, including my 8-month pregnant daughter[-in-law], and were very rude and then told us, 'They're not dying, they're detained. And you better cooperate with us.'"

She added, "They used the death of my son to trick me into getting out of my own house so they could just serve a warrant with nobody there."

All eight suspects are accused of plotting "violent jihad" overseas, according to the indictment, and are charged with conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists and conspiracy to murder, kidnap, maim and injure people.

www.cnn.com...


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[edit on 29-7-2009 by sonjah1]

reply to post by sonjah1


My God! How sick.
How sick it is out there.
And that could be anyone of us!!!!!

reply to post by dgtempe


I know!
To me, it sounds like one of those cases of well, here is a US Veteran--that has too many guns in his home for US...

reply to post by dgtempe


Where are you typing from, young lady?

I want to turn you in...

reply to post by jsobecky



something tells me you already have my

coordinates.

The best thing yet is where did the dear Homeland Security Secretary deliver this speech?

To an audience of the Council on Foreign Relations!

Looks like she wants to ensure the real terrorists they will have no competition!

She used the word homeland alot.

I don't know about anyone else here but I am an AMERICAN I don't live in a homeland.

There is a difference of course between a generic homeland which has no real Constitution just totalitarian authorities like the good Secretary and corrupt quasi-corporate/political enterprises like the Council on Foreign Relations.

AMERICA though has a Constitution which protects AMERICANS from unreasonable and unwarranted searches and seizures and provide an expectation of privacy to boot.

Of course homelands don't have those kind of things.

I would like to now do my duty and report the Homeland Security Secretary as a Terrorist heading an illegal orginization and all members of the CFR as Terrorists engaged in a conspiracy to undermine and do away with the American Constitution.

Now would that be a 9-1-1 call or just the regular number to the local police station.

We for certain though have the 4-1-1 on who the real terrorists are, the Nazi sounding Department of Homeland Security and the criminals who belong to and are members of the Council on Foreign Relations.




[edit on 29/7/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]