Skeptics... [sigh]

Why is it that some skeptics will ignore simple logic and reasoning in attempt to maintain their own biased opinion on something they cannot explain. Just thought this was interesting

www.para-tube.com...

[edit on 29-7-2009 by tmayhew01]

easy. mind snap. once you have entered a system that you grow a custom to, you will unconsciously defend it. the longer your in, the harder it is to let go. do some research on the people who wrote the matrix. quite interesting...

I bet you cannot find a single person on ATS that does not believe there are UFOs. I dare ya to find one person (skeptic or non-skeptic) I don't care, but find me one....

Originally posted by Xtrozero
I bet you cannot find a single person on ATS that does not believe there are UFOs. I dare ya to find one person (skeptic or non-skeptic) I don't care, but find me one....

this.

i dont see how anyone can claim there arent UFOs.

saying they arent alien ships is something different

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I will give you one name.. But he is not a true skeptic..
But if you want the name of one person who claims logic, when all he really does is poke at people and try to anger them..

Ignorethefacts

There are a couple others too..

Originally posted by zysin5
Ignorethefacts

Not true.... he might not say so openly, but trust me on this one


Sigh..... not ANOTHER Skeptic thread...... groan.....

[edit on 29-7-2009 by zorgon]

Originally posted by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest

Originally posted by Xtrozero
I bet you cannot find a single person on ATS that does not believe there are UFOs. I dare ya to find one person (skeptic or non-skeptic) I don't care, but find me one....

this.

i dont see how anyone can claim there arent UFOs.

saying they arent alien ships is something different

You see people who don't think some UFOs have been alien craft in the past are seriously lacking the common sense gene. To suggest there is no proof of alien activity... and that they are "probably" military projects we don't know about... is stretching.... given UFO's have been seen since the dawn of time.

It is common sense that if there are UFO's flying around when a kite was the only thing capable of flying that it is more than likely a technology not from this world. Common sense suggests the Government hasn't been hiding flying saucer technology whilst watching the world get around on horse drawn carts.

That's my problem with skeptics... a lack of commonsense.

[edit on 29-7-2009 by Total Package]

The answer is simple. They do it for the same reason the "believers" do it. If you approach the topic (any topic, not just UFO's) as either you're going to *debunk* it, or you're going to *prove* it, you're already biased. You're not approaching it as someone who doesn't know the facts yet and is checking them out. It really doesn't matter which side of the fence you're on, nor even whether you happen to be correct this time. If you think you already know the answer to a question you're investigating, you are biased.

You have to understand that skeptics *can* explain the phenomena. If you're a believer, you just don't happen to like their explanation.

Almost all of the evidence for UFO' being alien spacecraft is unreliable, period. All the photos and videos in the world prove nothing, because of guys like Spielberg. Many of these images may very well show alien craft; but we have no reliable way to distinguish the real ones from the frauds, and we know frauds exist.

The testimonials of "reliable people" is useless to me, unless I happen to know those people. You may trust this guy with your life; but if I don't know him, I have no way of knowing whether he's honest or not, or whether his mental state is clear. For a lot of us, it gets down to relying only on personal experience, or the personal experience of someone we trust completely. If I run into an alien on the street; or if someone takes me up into their craft and shoves a probe up my nose, OK. Personal experience. There are a couple of people I'd believe, if they told me it happened to them. But other than that, forget it. Too many frauds, confused or misguided people, to rely on what they say. Too easy to fake pictures.

Without solid evidence, the issue becomes a matter of faith. Believers and Infidels. Faith is fine, if you call it what it is. Trying to justify your faith by twisting the facts is not fine. It's OK to say "I believe", but then you have to allow someone else to say, "I *DON'T* believe" without disrespecting them.

Originally posted by Total Package

Originally posted by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest

Originally posted by Xtrozero
I bet you cannot find a single person on ATS that does not believe there are UFOs. I dare ya to find one person (skeptic or non-skeptic) I don't care, but find me one....

this.

i dont see how anyone can claim there arent UFOs.

saying they arent alien ships is something different

You see people who don't think some UFOs have been alien craft in the past are seriously lacking the common sense gene. To suggest there is no proof of alien activity... and that they are "probably" military projects we don't know about... is stretching.... given UFO's have been seen since the dawn of time.

It is common sense that if there are UFO's flying around when a kite was the only thing capable of flying that it is more than likely a technology not from this world. Common sense suggests the Government hasn't been hiding flying saucer technology whilst watching the world get around on horse drawn carts.

That's my problem with skeptics... a lack of commonsense.

[edit on 29-7-2009 by Total Package]

You come to your own conclusions based on zero evidence to suggest it, and then you call it common sense. To me once a UFO that is identified is no longer an UFO, and you need hard evidence to do that not just a belief. What if these “aliens” are actually US from the future? There really isn’t anything to say they are alien or us from the future, any number of other things. So what is common sense here?

There are 2 kind of skeptics. Skeptics and Debunkers.

Skeptic

I am a skeptic. I don't believe everything I am told... but I believe anything is possible. I don't have pre-conceived beliefs taught to me by a textbook in a school that says "This is the world and that's it". I don't take the bible as having any fact whatsoever but it might... so I ignore it.

Debunker

A debunker is a skeptic who is closed minded and lets their personal beliefs cloud their opinion. Most people here who say they aren't debunkers are... they don't even realise they've been brainwashed into thinking a certain way all of their life.

A debunkers immediate thought is not "This could be possible lets look at ALL the evidence including anecdotal...." a debunker's immediate thought is "Well I don't believe this could be true... so I'll focus on how to prove it's not... by coming up with nicely fitting "theories" to explain it away".

Scratch the surface of any debunker and you will see one common thing.... science. They use "Science" as the basis for their argument.... science which is currently a flawed set of rules created by humans. They've been brainwashed by their parents... their school.. their textbooks.... into believing Science is the ONLY true proof.... if Science can't prove it then its unproven. That is a pack of ****.

For example... Professor Dean Radin is highly critical of his own scientific community and their lack of interest in investigating PSI. He calls it "The Taboo of PSI" because Professors and scientists are more worried about keep their reputation and earning a big pay packet than investigating the evidence...... they are more worried about ridicule than anything else.

That is why Stanton Friedman to me is a legend... because he gave the Scientific fraternity the big middle finger and looked at the evidence rather than what they've been brainwashed into believing.

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Indeed, they are the completely unknown until someone claims ownership over them. Even then it could be lies and they are doing it for fame/money or whatever. UFO has the "U" until someone knows what it is, then its just an FO...

Originally posted by zorgon
Sigh..... not ANOTHER Skeptic thread...... groan.....

Indeed!

Why does it have to be a them and us situation?


Can't we all just get a long....

Originally posted by Xtrozero
You come to your own conclusions based on zero evidence to suggest it, and then you call it common sense. To me once a UFO that is identified is no longer an UFO, and you need hard evidence to do that not just a belief. What if these “aliens” are actually US from the future? There really isn’t anything to say they are alien or us from the future, any number of other things. So what is common sense here?

No the difference is what I consider evidence and what you consider evidence. To some people nothing short of an Alien coming into their house... sitting down to have a cup of tea and talking about whether they are from another planet or us from the future... is going to be considered enough evidence.

For these people it makes me wonder why they come to this forum where they know that is never going to happen.... apart from wanting to argue with people and debunk every bit of evidence that comes in regardless how weak or strong it is.

Now you ask whether aliens from another planet or us from the future has as much proof as eachother...... yup there is not much proof of either theory being correct.... altho most of the anecdotal evidence (abductions) would 99.99% point to the fact they are Aliens from other planets..... so I then use commonsense and say it's most likely they are from other planets rather than the future..... otherwise they would show their abductees the future they've come from not star systems.

Originally posted by Total Packagealtho most of the anecdotal evidence (abductions) would 99.99% point to the fact they are Aliens from other planets.....

Well see that is the problem with believers... 99.99%?

My 30 plus years of research have shown me 80%ish of UFO sightings are 'criiters' A natural entity that lives in local space and breeds in our atmosphere

15%ish are our black ops craft including all the triangles

5%ish are the true visitors...

Many researchers have come to similar conclusions....

Yes, I do believe at least 50% or greater of these recent sightings (past 15 yrs perhaps) are life forms of some kind. I wish I could recall the paperwork on a case I had that involved an abduction where the individual never saw an entity such as the "Grays". He felt the whole works of the craft was a living, breathing entity in itself. Sightings now include so many balls of light that appear to be glass like on the outside with some sort of swirling living being on the inside. This "Shape Shifting" going on is perhaps the workings of the plasma or whatever these beings are made up of as they enter our earth.

Ron: You may quote me on the statement regarding my thoughts on the plasma, critters, etc. These are my thoughts and not those of MUFON.

Denise M. Stoner
Chief Investigator, Florida
Mufon State Section Director

So... how does THAT fit your 'common sense' argument?

The only skeptic that I've seen that really gets under my skin is that skeptic magazine guy who loves to pop-up in anything UFO related you see on cable TV. I can't remember his name, but anytime I see that guys face pop-up I hit mute.

He could be put on an alien craft, taken to the other side of the universe to their home planet and still find a way to say it didn't happen and say that via satellite from another world

Isnt it so that the Past holds the Future ??
He who control the past , controls the future ??
He who controls the present , controls the past ??

?? I dont even know why I wrote this !!

Early in the morning...

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More likely many of us are prepared to look at the evidence (hence being here) but when basic logic and science are overlooked in order for someone to make yet another sensational claim, we form the view that the bulk of them are:

False
Misinformed
Crackpots

I've yet to see one theory on here "bear fruit" or have any realistic possibility of being accurate.

To simplify why people are sceptical in the way you suggest means you aren't talking to them in your posts, you're talking to the like minded group on here. You all just run around convincing each other and drawing false conclusions on top of false conclusion.

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A UFO is merely an object in the sky that is not recognised by the observer, so you're right, i doubt there is anyone who will contest that!

Originally posted by Total Package
You see people who don't think some UFOs have been alien craft in the past are seriously lacking the common sense gene. To suggest there is no proof of alien activity... and that they are "probably" military projects we don't know about... is stretching.... given UFO's have been seen since the dawn of time.

It is common sense that if there are UFO's flying around when a kite was the only thing capable of flying that it is more than likely a technology not from this world. Common sense suggests the Government hasn't been hiding flying saucer technology whilst watching the world get around on horse drawn carts.

That's my problem with skeptics... a lack of commonsense.

[edit on 29-7-2009 by Total Package]

You post is displaying a serious lack of common sense!

If as you assert these UFO's were visible in the distant past (i'm personally only aware of claims from WW2 onwards) then it stands to reason that many of the things we might know about today which are often classed as UFO's by the untrained eye, were observed then and not explained by contemporary science.

You are drawing conclusions from something with absolutely no proof whatsoever.

It is not unreasonable to take a default position of scepticism and to say "prove otherwise". Nobody has. Further, i've never seen anything remotely out of the usual, it seems those who do are usually a bit barmy so not reliable/credible sources.

Originally posted by zysin5
Ignorethefacts

You're right. He's not a "true skeptic". His goal--an admirable one--is to elevate the study beyond its current circus-like atmosphere.