Parents Like School Swine-Flu Shots

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So, more than 2/3 rds of Parents think the Swine Flu shot is a good idea for their child, and are happy to let the schools do it!

WASHINGTON (AP) - Most parents like the idea of vaccinating children against swine flu at school, but they're not so eager to roll up their own sleeves.

Parents do seem to be listening to warnings that this novel flu strain strikes the young more often than the old, an Associated Press-GfK poll suggests. Nearly two-thirds said they were likely to give permission for their children to be inoculated at school - if the government's evolving plan to try that pans out - and 40 percent said very likely.

Sadly, most of them are not going to do it themselves. What this tells me is that they cannot think for themselves. They are not sure it is a good idea. They are only allowing the schools to do it out of convenience. If the school were not doing it, they would not make the effort to get it done. If they don't trust the vaccine, they are still allowing the school to do it, rather than take a stand and inconvenience themselves!

It is sad that we are so lazy that we do whatever takes the least effort, rather than form educated opinions and do what we feel is in the best interest of our children!!

However, these are the same 2/3rds that think the mandatory Influenza and Varicella Vaccinations for their kids are good things too.

Seriously, how many children died of Varicella a year before the mandatory Varicella Vaccinations? Just six! Yes, six! Six out of over 4,000,000 infections per year.

Now, we see an increase of Shingles caused by vaccination against Varicella and super-strains of the Varicella Virus that infect despite vaccination, or having been infected with Varicella before, potentially opening the door to far more than 6 deaths in 4,000,000 infections per year.

We forget that Darwinism and Natural Selection is there for a reason. A viral epidemic spreads and a few people die from it, but the majority survive and become either innately immune or adaptively immune to it, passing on that immunity to their offspring and strengthening the species. When you reverse Darwinism and Natural Selection with Vaccinations, you are killing off the majority of that particular strain of virus, but those virii that survive become far more severely pathogenic and evolve to where vaccination will not protect those exposed. To show sympathy and spare the few, vaccinations are ultimately allowing for the multitudes to potentially die generations later.

It is short-sightedness on part of fearful people and a CDC that is more concerned with containment today than prevention tomorrow.

[edit on 28-7-2009 by fraterormus]

These polls are not scientific.

I have never been polled for any of them. Ever.

So why would I believe any of these statistics? As I am not part of any of them.

Whats that one statistic?

99% of all Statistics are made up?

well that's because parents are sheeple. they do what the media tells them to do.

reply to post by muzzleflash


I agree that statistics are worthless, but unfortunately we govern according to these statistics!! TPTB take polls, and 'supposedly' they try to follow the will of the people.

I can find statistics saying whatever I want them to say, and find just as many contradicting them!

This AP article is important, because if 2/3 of the population is for these vaccinations, it will be much more difficult for the 1/3 that is left to refuse them! All the threads about "Forced Vaccinations" are full of people threatening violence if someone tries to force a vaccination on them, or quarantine them. If 60-70% of people go willingly, resistance will be futile for the rest of us!

Anybody that believe the propaganda that the government is trowing out there to mislead the population into believing that the majority of the people in nation is pro vaccination of the swine flu is been played out.

This is the biggest joke that the government is playing at our expenses, they are misleading all of us with propaganda.

Remember all this is been paid by big pharma.

Originally posted by marg6043
Anybody that believe the propaganda that the government is trowing out there to mislead the population into believing that the majority of the people in nation is pro vaccination of the swine flu is been played out.

This is the biggest joke that the government is playing at our expenses, they are misleading all of us with propaganda.

Remember all this is been paid by big pharma.

It is all propaganda, but it is VERY effective on the majority!! Do you really think that a lot of parents are going to refuse this vaccine?

I don't!!

I think it will be very rare for a parent to go to the trouble of refusing the vaccine for their kids.

[edit on 28-7-2009 by getreadyalready]

I have already begun talking to my son about forced vaccinations although I am not using the word forced with him so I don't scare him. But I have asked him to tell me if they get called to the nurses office or anything like that in a group. I just don't trust that these people won't just go ahead and jab them without consent. I don't think that would happen but I am just not sure.

I mean what are you as a parent going to do if they already got them?

reply to post by DDay


I saw a scenario in another thread. It went along the lines of a great field-trip that all the students wanted to attend, but they had to get the permission slip signed first. Along with the permission slip was the consent to be vaccinated before the trip. No vaccination = no trip. Put parents in a tough spot that way!

reply to post by getreadyalready


Yeah...that is totally sneaky. I mean not many parents would want to disappoint their kids just over a jab to the arm. Mmmm...gives one thought.

reply to post by getreadyalready


Yeah about those immunizations, we kind of have to immunize our kids or they won't be allowed in school. I did fight the varicella shot for 3 years before I caved. They said no varicella shot, then no school. So i was like damnit and I did it. My kids have been exposed to the chicken pox, but they haven't gotten the shingles yet. I unfortunately had shingles when I was 26 mainly because I had the chicekn pox when I was 19 for the first time. It almost killed me. I had the chicken pox all over me, my eyes were swollen shut, I couldn';t eat, sleep, and I was in a lot of pain. It did enter my body and I had to go in almost everyday and be checked with x-rays to make sure it didn't get into my lungs, it almost did!! My Mom also tried to give me chicken pox, but I never caught it as a kid, the doctors said I have an awesome immune system. The thing s I still don't know who gave me chicken pox, no one in my school had it, and people I knew from outside my school didn't have it? I do have the shingles, and let me say if you had chicken pox, then it stays in your body forever.

It's freak'n insanity. :shk:

I don't know if they are uninformed or just happy letting others do the thinking for them (which is dangerous). Either way ... it's insanity.

reply to post by mysticalzoe


Don't feel bad I did the same thing with my son for his school shots. I put them off until I had no choice and I think that the day will come when they will force this flu vaccine and this time I am standing my ground. The school vaccinations are one thing but this flu vaccine has not been tested and I am not injecting my family with anything not proven safe. The end! I have been asking around some of my neighbors are PTA and I also know one of the teachers at my son's school and so far they haven't heard of anything about the vaccine being issued at the school. Next stop is my son's next check up here in another month. I plan to ask his doctor what they have heard. I am trying to put out feelers to see if this thing is going to be mandatory or not.

reply to post by DDay


Don't get me wrong, I am not against ALL vaccines. My youngest baby developed "infantile spasms". Look it up. It is a very serious form of epilipsy and it is tied to infant vaccines and Mercury. Yes, regardless of what you read, they still use Mercury in the "Multi-dose" vials that doctors usually buy.

Anyway, without going into detail, the baby is recovering, but his Neurologist instructed us to not allow the doctors to administer all the vaccines at one time, not administer them at the normal young age, and not use "multi-dose" vials. We had to find a doctor willing to find "single-use" vials, give the baby one shot per visit, and delay the shots for 6 months to a year!

In this way, the vaccines are much more safe and effective.

My kids will NOT be getting the Chicken Pox, Hepatitis, or Flu Vaccines. My doctor will provide a written exception, so they can still attend school! If the rules change, or the school doesn't accept the letter, then it looks like home school!!

MMR, Whooping Cough, and others are still vitally important, and I encourage their use.

HPV=NO WAY!!

Flu=NO WAY! Why take the side-effect risks when the actual flu is a pussycat anyway?

reply to post by getreadyalready


That is call coercion and if I am not wrong, enough parents can take this to court.

Remember the school system works because the parents and students support.

So is about time that people starts to take a more active role on the decisions that this "public" entities have.

When my children where in school I was the biggest thorn in their side because I was always at school making sure that It was my decisions and not their the one that count.

And guess what I got away with a lot all by myself.

[edit on 29-7-2009 by marg6043]

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Today's news! Vaccine is in high demand, people rush to get it! I figured this would be the case, but I am amazed!

I hate the term 'Sheeple', but I don't see a better alternative. Someone in these forums has a quote in their signature that I will try to paraphrase from memory:

"At first I looked around and I saw Sheeple, but then I realized that even sheep know when a wolf is out to get them, and I realized they are not even sheep, they are but lambs!"

reply to post by getreadyalready


That is fine, let the gineapigs be the first ones to get it, so we can seat and watch what kind of side effects they will be complaining about.



Probably by the end of the year we may be able to see something.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
Don't get me wrong, I am not against ALL vaccines. My youngest baby developed "infantile spasms". Look it up. It is a very serious form of epilipsy and it is tied to infant vaccines and Mercury. Yes, regardless of what you read, they still use Mercury in the "Multi-dose" vials that doctors usually buy.

I was all for Immunizations and Vaccinations until my daughter got her second DTP shot at age 2. She developed infantile spasms and started having seizures within 5 days of the shot. Our pediatrician refused to consider the possibility that it could have been a direct result of the DTP shot, stating that there were NO potential side effects for that series, and insisted on Neurological CAT & MRI Scans for my daughter to determine the problem. After several hospital visits and tens of thousands of dollars in bills for tests that showed nothing wrong, I discovered on the CDC Website that the second DTP shot is known to cause seizures in 50% of children receiving the shot within 7 days. I was absolutely livid that our pediatrician outright lied to us and coerced us to have our daughter undergo several dangerous procedures just because she wanted to cover up the fact that this was indeed caused by the second shot in the DTP series. (And because she wouldn't confess to it, my daughter is not counted in that 50% statistic...which makes me believe that this figure by the CDC is under-stated from under-reporting of these incidents.)

After that, I started doing research on Vaccinations and Immunizations and have chosen not to have my daughter receive any more.

Thankfully, the state I live in has very liberal laws regarding Vaccinations. In all states you can claim Religious Exemption, but in my state you can get the same exemption by just stating you simply don't want to comply. Whenever there is a single instance of Chicken Pox at school, or any other contagion that your child is not vaccinated for, then you child is sent home for a period of time depending upon how long the incubation+contagious periods are for that outbreak. It's a small price to pay, having your child miss school for a week, than to put their health at risk by allowing them to receive potentially dangerous Vaccinations.

Originally posted by mysticalzoe
Yeah about those immunizations, we kind of have to immunize our kids or they won't be allowed in school. I did fight the varicella shot for 3 years before I caved. They said no varicella shot, then no school.

The law varies from state to state, but I believe that every state allows for exemptions on Vaccinations for Religious Beliefs.

Although the schools like to insist that they are mandatory for Public School Attendance, they are not. There are exemptions allowed in every state. If you claim exemption, your child can still attend Public School without Vaccinations, but they can and will be sent home whenever there is a single outbreak at school.

I strongly suggest that you look up what exemptions to Vaccinations your state allows and claim them.

You still have the right to choose, even when they claim they are "mandatory".

(In my Senior year of High School we had a German Measles/Rubella epidemic at our school. The CDC came into the school with the National Guard and corralled all the students, under gun-point, into the Auditorium to be Vaccinated. Even under the threat of being shot if we tried to leave, the CDC was very careful to explain that each of us still had a choice not to be Vaccinated, but we would be escorted home and not allowed to attend school for the next two weeks. I didn't want the Vaccination because being a defiant teenager I took grave offense at being told I had to do something and being forced at gun-point. Only 4 out of 2000 of us chose not to get Vaccinated. The National Guard did indeed escort us off school grounds and we did miss the last 2 weeks of school, but in retrospect it was better than getting the Vaccination.)

[edit on 29-7-2009 by fraterormus]