Aliens Being A Hoax Is High Probability

I believe aliens could exist somewhere out there, but not to the extent of where many UFO seekers and believers think.

Every time a new crop circle surfaces, people are quickly saying, "Oh My God, Look Aliens Did It!"

It's gotten to the point where the entire UFO field has turned into a joke. It's like the story of the boy who cried wolf.

I'm beginning to think "Aliens" (Specifically the Greys, Reptilians are a different story..) are a hoax.

Here's a couple reasonings for it:

1)How come NO ONE ever captures a decent footage of aliens making crop circles? They only randomly find these "mysterious" crop circles after they are done.

2)How come NO ONE ever gets any good footage of UFO's in the sky? It's always a spec of dot in the sky that is to make us believe it's extraterrestrials from other planets. I mean you'd think in the year 2009, people would have good high quality video cameras...

3)How come MOST of these supposed UFO's always appear near military bases in America and the U.K? (Maybe they are in fact stealth ships made by the governments to either trick people or they are testing them out for later uses?)

4)Why is there SO MUCH coverage of UFO's now on news sites and movies, but yet not even the news sites have any good footage? Yet, these news teams can happen to find footage of Israel's war crimes, Saddam Hussein getting hung, Bin Laden tapes (and they can't find the man himself...), etc?

5)Why has NO ONE ever taped an actual Alien? It seems to me that the ONLY "high quality" (barely) footage of an alien is the famous autopsy video.

6)If these supposed aliens exist at Area 51 (probably many other "secret" bases as well) and have deals with governments, then what are they waiting for? I mean the entire world's population is pretty damn dumb. OVER 5 Billion believe in an invisible God, yet they disagree with the other religions, when they are practically saying the same thing. Are aliens really waiting? (If they are very advanced, then what are they waiting for? I mean Roswell incident happened in the late 1940's)

7)If all these "high" ranking officials are saying they witnessed abductions and other alien phenomena, then how come they can provide no evidence whatsoever? They always say, "You can either believe us or not."

8)How do we know these "high" ranking officials are not working for the government to promote Project Bluebeam? (Project Bluebeam is to portray a hologram in the world of an alien type invasion to promote shadow governments agenda)

Hell, there was more "evidence" of aliens back in biblical days because those people drew what they saw such as Serpent like Gods, or Chariots in the skies. So UFO believers are telling me that in our time now over 2-3,000 years from biblical times, we can't get any decent footage??

As you can see it pretty much sums it up.

I am so glad you posted this, but I will bet this gets quite heated. As for me I think is is all bunk. All your points to me are valid and unless one lands in my back yard and sticks around long enough for me to get the video cam out, do some filming, get some alien samples, maybe go for a ride. I am not on that wagon..

your ignorant to believe this.... go google UFO and see how much EVIDENCE and PROOF there is, because obviously you haven't done your homework.

In my opinion there is absolutely 0% chance that aliens and ufos are a hoax. 5000+ year old cave paintings kinda sealed the deal for me lol. Plus I think its obvious that ufos are infact a real phenomenon, not up for debate. Wether or not they are under extraterrestrial control is however..

[edit on 27-7-2009 by -NewSense-]

I'm indifferent when it comes to Aliens, even if they exist. When they start affecting society in a positive or negative manner, well, that's when I'll care.

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I can respect that.but where are they. why hide.. I have seen most of the history but still left without facts. Solid to the touch facts. Bad filming, at night, so far the camera and focus. why won't they show us unmistakable proof. I also know you can't honestly answer that cause NO ONE is an rep for the aliens.

Originally posted by bobbylove321
It's gotten to the point where the entire UFO field has turned into a joke. It's like the story of the boy who cried wolf.

Lol, that coming from someone who claims to be part of a secret organisation and also claims to be able to foresee all major world events for the next year

Originally posted by bobbylove321
What if I told you I can pinpoint every single major event up to this time next year? Would you be interested?

Yes, I think I would rather believe the thousands of witnesses that have reported similar sightings and the thousands of years old paintings than you

hi

I can easily see where your coming from,,,,and i understand...

I think 98% of ufo's are explainable,,,whats weird is some can just say it secret military craft...
but with all the sightings the govt must have hundreds of squadrons of these anti graviy craft.....
I dont think thats the case....

I seen one when I was a child with my unlcle,,we were a rocks throw from it,,,the horses didnt come out of the barn for 3days...
(i know this holds no weight)

there all over the place,,,antartic,,oceans,,underwater,..

I personally dont beleive the govt is kahoots with them...

crop circles I dont know much about,,,maybe they(some) could be done by a sattlelite??

as for video footage???
havent you looked at some of the stuff posted here or watch history/discovery channel...??

some people dont even beleive the moon video footage,,,go figure,,,

whats also weird is why does the govt keep very top secret files on this,,,even from the 40's and 50's,,,,????

its nice and kind of them to release some of the top secret files though,,,but sadly,, a majority are all blacked out where you cant even read them,,,,lol

as for close encounter face to face??,,,I tend to beleive they dont need to step outside their craft with a spoon and a sand beech bucket to get a soil sample...

as for constantly on the news,,,I dissagree with you on that,,,it should be though more...

many have been locked on radar,,landing sites where nothing grows to this day on some,,,

1000's of VERY VERY credible witnesses,,,

high ups in military as well have come forward,,sadly but unfortunate their not intitled to the military film,,,but theres quite a bit of VERY odd stuff caught by NASA,,,,

I do wish for more but the average jon doe citizen doesnt have much to work with,,,

a coupe yeras back,,,a airport was having some serious problems with ufo's in the air vacinity and were actually worried about a collision...
now the military isnt going to test their craft at an airport zig zagging around,,,,

the ufo field has had some ass's/hoaxters as well which doesnt help..

Im no fool,,,and you are not as well being skeptical,,,,

but something is going on ,,,and I do beleive...just my 2 cents!

hugs everyone

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[edit on 27-7-2009 by tmayhew01]

While this video is hard on the language, starting at 8 minutes the viewer is treated to one of the finest ramblings in history with shards of truth about earth's history. It's too bad he presents himself so crazy because I believe he is onto something.



[edit on 27-7-2009 by Well]

Originally posted by tmayhew01
your ignorant to believe this.... go google UFO and see how much EVIDENCE and PROOF there is, because obviously you haven't done your homework.

Ufo's are called unidentified for a reason...they are not called alien space ships.Nobody knows what they are...but i say black projects as its more logical to assume terrestrial before extra terrestrial imo.

Originally posted by bobbylove321
Here's a couple reasonings for it:

1)How come NO ONE ever captures a decent footage of aliens making crop circles? They only randomly find these "mysterious" crop circles after they are done.

Why would Aliens leave behind evidence to prove their existence?

2)How come NO ONE ever gets any good footage of UFO's in the sky? It's always a spec of dot in the sky that is to make us believe it's extraterrestrials from other planets. I mean you'd think in the year 2009, people would have good high quality video cameras...

If you think of security cameras capturing excellent footage, in my mind if there is a secret gov't, you could assume that they would be the first to have any UFO footage.

Ordinary people getting footage? Serious? I doubt anybody could film the smoking gun footage. Any amazing footage, imo, would be confiscated in a heart beat.

3)How come MOST of these supposed UFO's always appear near military bases in America and the U.K? (Maybe they are in fact stealth ships made by the governments to either trick people or they are testing them out for later uses?)

Because Aliens, work with the Gov't, and the stories behind military base sightings, MIGHT be disinfo, to cover up the real sighting. A(n) meeting/exchange of technology/intelligence.

4)Why is there SO MUCH coverage of UFO's now on news sites and movies, but yet not even the news sites have any good footage? Yet, these news teams can happen to find footage of Israel's war crimes, Saddam Hussein getting hung, Bin Laden tapes (and they can't find the man himself...), etc?

The coverage on the news is to prepare us for FIRST CONTACT, AND, more and more people believe in Aliens now.

5)Why has NO ONE ever taped an actual Alien? It seems to me that the ONLY "high quality" (barely) footage of an alien is the famous autopsy video.

Why or should I say how would you be able to film an Alien? You can film them?

6)If these supposed aliens exist at Area 51 (probably many other "secret" bases as well) and have deals with governments, then what are they waiting for? I mean the entire world's population is pretty damn dumb. OVER 5 Billion believe in an invisible God, yet they disagree with the other religions, when they are practically saying the same thing. Are aliens really waiting? (If they are very advanced, then what are they waiting for? I mean Roswell incident happened in the late 1940's)

When all the wars and disputes between countries end, AND/OR there might be no point for Aliens to intervene with our existence.

7)If all these "high" ranking officials are saying they witnessed abductions and other alien phenomena, then how come they can provide no evidence whatsoever? They always say, "You can either believe us or not."

Again why would Aliens leave behind evidence to prove their existence?

8)How do we know these "high" ranking officials are not working for the government to promote Project Bluebeam? (Project Bluebeam is to portray a hologram in the world of an alien type invasion to promote shadow governments agenda)

We know that is not true because we find more and more evidence in SPACE of possible life/water/ice on other nearby planets and moons. ALSO there are many whistle blowers coming forward from various US gov't agencies stating there is a COVER UP.

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I've said this before in another thread. It isn't as easy as you think. Borrow a video camera or if you have one try this yourself. Go somewhere where there are birds or planes. Go in the daylight because it will be easier. Try to video whatever you see flying around. Now try zooming in on whatever you are trying to video. How did it look when you played it back. If you practice long enough you might get some good footage. Now that you have practiced what's the chances you're going to have your camera in hand when a UFO flies by. Are you going to be too surprised to put your practice to good use? Now try all this at night. That's why there isn't very many good videos or pictures of UFOs. We are conditioned by the movies we see (Speilberg etc.) to expect detailed pictures and videos.

It just doesn't make sense that people claim aliens exist, yet there's no ACTUAL evidence to back it up.

Even the whole "theory" about the pyramids being built by aliens has no evidence to back it up.

You'd think in the past 3,000 years we'd get SOME actual footage or proof of their existence. Is that too much to ask?

Originally posted by bobbylove321
I believe aliens could exist somewhere out there, but not to the extent of where many UFO seekers and believers think.

Every time a new crop circle surfaces, people are quickly saying, "Oh My God, Look Aliens Did It!"

It's gotten to the point where the entire UFO field has turned into a joke. It's like the story of the boy who cried wolf.

I'm beginning to think "Aliens" (Specifically the Greys, Reptilians are a different story..) are a hoax.

Here's a couple reasonings for it:

1)How come NO ONE ever captures a decent footage of aliens making crop circles? They only randomly find these "mysterious" crop circles after they are done.

2)How come NO ONE ever gets any good footage of UFO's in the sky? It's always a spec of dot in the sky that is to make us believe it's extraterrestrials from other planets. I mean you'd think in the year 2009, people would have good high quality video cameras...

3)How come MOST of these supposed UFO's always appear near military bases in America and the U.K? (Maybe they are in fact stealth ships made by the governments to either trick people or they are testing them out for later uses?)

4)Why is there SO MUCH coverage of UFO's now on news sites and movies, but yet not even the news sites have any good footage? Yet, these news teams can happen to find footage of Israel's war crimes, Saddam Hussein getting hung, Bin Laden tapes (and they can't find the man himself...), etc?

5)Why has NO ONE ever taped an actual Alien? It seems to me that the ONLY "high quality" (barely) footage of an alien is the famous autopsy video.

6)If these supposed aliens exist at Area 51 (probably many other "secret" bases as well) and have deals with governments, then what are they waiting for? I mean the entire world's population is pretty damn dumb. OVER 5 Billion believe in an invisible God, yet they disagree with the other religions, when they are practically saying the same thing. Are aliens really waiting? (If they are very advanced, then what are they waiting for? I mean Roswell incident happened in the late 1940's)

7)If all these "high" ranking officials are saying they witnessed abductions and other alien phenomena, then how come they can provide no evidence whatsoever? They always say, "You can either believe us or not."

8)How do we know these "high" ranking officials are not working for the government to promote Project Bluebeam? (Project Bluebeam is to portray a hologram in the world of an alien type invasion to promote shadow governments agenda)

Hell, there was more "evidence" of aliens back in biblical days because those people drew what they saw such as Serpent like Gods, or Chariots in the skies. So UFO believers are telling me that in our time now over 2-3,000 years from biblical times, we can't get any decent footage??

As you can see it pretty much sums it up.

The answer to all of your questions is actually very simple: you cannot expect to understand anything about the bahviour of an advanced extraterrestrial intelligence with a basic, materialistic level of human understanding. Doing so would be comparable to trying to make an ant understand why humans commit domestic terrorism.

Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion, and everyone has already answered your questions in logical ways, so I will take a pure science approach to this and ask you my own questions.I will now offer my side of this argument:

Imagine your on a beach somewhere and pick up one tiny grain of sand. Now imagine every tiny grain of sand that has ever existed on the planet. Finally imagine each grain of sand is a star. You would still not have enough grains of sand to account for all of the stars in the Universe!

I said that because as we all know for life to form as far as we know there must be a habitable planet, and for a planet to form and be habitable there must be a star. On that point I will ask my first question of you:

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Question One

With all those stars in the Universe do you not think the odds are highly against only one average sized star in all of the likely infinite Universe having intelligent life?

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Furthermore we can not ignore or dismiss the thousands upon thousands of cases of both ancient and modern contact with beings from other worlds. With the shear number of cases it is highly unlikely that every single case can be explained as something other than contact with an intelligent extraterrestrial biological entity.

In addition to that there is no argument from nearly anyone that exosolar planets, probably similar to the conditions on Pre-Biotic Earth are quite common in just our galaxy alone. Further more it is also known that under a range of Ph, naturally occurring organic molecules do form by “spontaneously” growing and dividing, which obviously will lead to more complex organic molecules leading to cells and so forth. In fact many evolutionary traits are observed in simple organic processes (See LINK) .Life is not as rare as you would lead yourself to believe. It is also a fact (well unless you do not believe in basic astronomy and cosmology) that all building blacks of planets come from space. Now that we have found complex organic molecules in space one can easily postulate that the “building blocks” of life is throughout the Universe. As I have explained above the rest of the process is quite natural and expected, and very soon I expect abiogenesis will be proven beyond a doubt.

Some more questions for you to answer:

1. Given Occam’s Razor, what is more likely and why?

That in a 24 Sextillion star universe (likely twice that amount of planets) that only ONE planet “miraculously” developed life?
OR

That life is quite common throughout the Universe and there is nothing all that special about Earth?

2. Given the current evidence and models of an infinite Universe one must realize that there then becomes a 100% chance of another intelligent life form existing, considering the system is infinite. Also consider the quantum interpretation of probability. Your rebuttal to that?


Are you even aware of the multitudes of evidence pointing towards not only alien life, but intelligent alien life here on Earth?

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Ancient alien contacts are interpretations by modern man imposing his modern mindset on ancient cultures,not cold hard evidence.And yes,the universe is a big place.Makes it all the more unlikely aliens are visiting...along with the fact there is no evidence of them visiting earth aswell.Like i said before and this is all my opinion,i don't have cold hard evidence these are black projects like i believe either.But a) we know humans exist b) we know black projects exist c) we don't know that aliens exist,nevermind visiting us. So until evidence for c) comes along the only rational explanation is terrestrial craft imo.Btw i do believe alien life exists due to the sheer scale of the universe like you mentioned,but there is still no evidence they *actually* do.

[edit on 28-7-2009 by Solomons]

I think the 'ET Interview' footage is pretty good evidence of an alien on video. There are other supporting stories to back it up. Maybe it is a puppet but the eyes are very well done.

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Just because you haven't seen any UFOs, or aliens (greys, reptilians), doesn't mean that they don't exist, or are in fact here. The lack of experience is what provokes most people to turn on skepticism. But those who DID have the experience, are not really worried whether people like you would believe them or believe there are aliens and UFOs here because they now know the truth and it doesn't matter to them.

On the other hand, people like you will continue to make silly threads dealing with silly topics like this one until you have an encounter with a grey or a reptilian yourself. Till then, enjoy your "debunking"!

This thread feels like nothing more than a rant, but for the sake of argument, let me lend the age old saying on UFO concealment - "If they can travel lightyears to get here, I don't think discretion is difficult."

I think when it comes down to it though, the most influential reason I believe aliens exist and are visiting us, is because we have such a longing to find life out there. I don't think we would even think twice about investing in finding other life if we weren't meant to, the universe is too organized for a coincidence like that.