Solar Eclipse influenced - 100 year high tides and Earthquakes happening now near India?

I would just love one of the de-bunkers on here to actually debunk the theory. At least a link to help prove that there is no correlation between earthquakes and eclipses instead of just attacking the poster for not creating threads to a specific standard, what a joke. Who cares who is commenting on the thread and how long they have been here, debunk the thread or shut the hell up, it's pretty simple. Basically I am seeing a couple pages of people blowing smoke up each others butts while only doing what the OP did, provide a theory. Some ignorance is undeniable.

reply to post by Jnewell33


I'd suggest you review the OP's history here, and consider the motivations from that viewpoint.

AND...this eclipse covered a large swath of the Earth, yes? IF earthquakes and other seismic occurences were resulting from the eclipse, then there should be indications of many, many, many more such events, all along the path of totality, yes?

Also, comparisons to previous Total Eclipses of note over the last few decades should also correlate with subsequent tectonic activity, yes?

The data should be overwhelming, if there were a true causal relationship here.

Originally posted by Phage
As you pointed out in yet another thread, we did experience perigeal high tides earlier this week. From the pictures you posted it does not appear that people were particularly distressed about the high tides and high surf. It looks like they were enjoying the spectacle. Oh, it happened three days after the eclipse. But I suppose that's close enough for you.

BTW, there were no "tidal waves". The high surf was a result of a storm at sea. That combined with the high tides (normal), caused the excitement.

“There’s a storm out at sea. We can tell how violent it is, and how high the tide will rise from the wind,’’ says Khatim. “Did we know the tide was going to be this high today? Of course, the wind told us,’’ she retorts.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com...

A flurry of minor earthquakes. How unusual (not). The Andamans seem to be pretty far from the path of the eclipse. It would be a bit more impressive if you could have found something a little stronger and much closer the the path of totality. It would have helped if they at least occured on the day of the eclipse, much less when the eclipse was happening.

Nice try but epic fail. Eclipses do not affect tides or earthquakes.

[edit on 7/26/2009 by Phage]

I wouldn't call this a fail at all. Its common knowledge that solar and lunar activities will cause, or influence, natural catastrophes. Many times the effects of the magnetism to the earth is not felt simultaneously with the solar or lunar activity. Scientists have speculated that the earth's grid can easily be affected from one catastrophe to the next. For instance: An earthquake happens in America will trigger an earthquake in Japan. The earth is a solitary organism just like the functions of our own bodies. So, lets say you have liver problems. Well, often times liver problems will also lead to kidney problems because both are responsible for the body's filtration process. Kidney problems will often lead to urinary tract infections. Urinary tract infections can lead to fevers, physiological shutdown, and death. Well, the earth can and will act in a similar fashion. It doesn't always have to be an immediate correlation that is triggered simultaneously by an event. Sometimes those event effects will be longstanding and disrupt patterns over a great period of time.

Just keep that in mind.

One other thing...who told you that eclipses do not affect tides? Tidal patterns are often affected by the earth's relationship to the moon. Common knowledge on that one.

This link has already been posted by another member, but, I felt it necessary to re-post as a response to Phage's statement that solar/lunar activity does not affect tectonic plates. I think science just proved you incorrect.

www.quakecentralforecasting.com...



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reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


So you failed to read Chadwickus' post on the previous page or just chose to ignore it. The one that goes to show that the link the OP and you keep providing is from a noted researcher who uses poor judgement and bad science, and cannot provide the required evidence to be taken seriously or get published. Lowell Whitesides data has been called statistical manipulation. Go read Chads post and the link provided within.

[edit on 27-7-2009 by pazcat]

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

Sure, there's lots of speculation about earthquakes triggering other earthquakes. Maybe they do.

One other thing...who told you that eclipses do not affect tides? Tidal patterns are often affected by the earth's relationship to the moon. Common knowledge on that one.

No. Tidal patterns are always affected by the Moon. It is primarily the Moon which causes tides. Spring tides occur every new moon and every full moon. An eclipse adds nothing to it, it does not make tides higher than during a new moon.
Here is the path of the eclipse over the Marshall Islands.


Here is the tide prediction for Jaluit Atoll.
Jaluit
Jaluit's time zone is UTC+12 so the local time of the eclipse was 3:48PM. At the time of the eclipse the tide level was 3.4 feet. At high tide, which occurred two hours later, the level was 4 feet. A quick glance shows that there is nothing extreme about this level.

Now let's look at another new moon at Jaluit. In three months, the new moon occurs on October 18th. On that day the high tide will be 4.8 feet. Much higher than the day of the eclipse. The eclipse had no effect.

Some may claim that the tide predictions are wrong. They are not. It is very important to mariners that they are correct. Their accuracy has been validated over many many years, eclipses or no. Eclipses have no affect on tides.

[edit on 7/27/2009 by Phage]

reply to post by Chadwickus


WOW - so that site basically says Every Single person who studies Earthquakes and predicts them - is Not able to?

Jeez - sounds just like a normal govt. site.

Again - some what to only see what is directly in front of them - without delving into things deeper to find out if there is other science than what is "traditionally" accepted.

Question - where would we be - is many people in history - didn't delve into things deeper - to find out how things work or could be invented - only taking what is "accepted" during that time.

I doubt we would have the computer, electricity, phone etc.

In other words - there are some who will never accept there are clear signs and when a quake hits one area, another area is affected.

That article put down - the most respected quake forecasters there are.

So the reality is - the article you provided is the JUNK information.

But - I will say, as I have said many times - people all believe different things - one persons belief is not anothers. And that is just fine.

Everyone's opinions are their own - and just that - opinions,

Originally posted by pazcat
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

 

So you failed to read Chadwickus' post on the previous page or just chose to ignore it. The one that goes to show that the link the OP and you keep providing is from a noted researcher who uses poor judgement and bad science, and cannot provide the required evidence to be taken seriously or get published. Lowell Whitesides data has been called statistical manipulation. Go read Chads post and the link provided within.

[edit on 27-7-2009 by pazcat]

Whatever makes you feel superior. However, its been known for quite some time that lunar activity influences the workings of the tides and tectonic plates. And, anyone who has a PHD in the scientific field should probably be taken seriously, and more so than an ATS poster with a chip on their shoulder. I would love to see where you graduated from. I would also love to see the degree that gives you the authority to over rule the authority of another scientist who makes this their life work.

Provide that please. Until then, I'll just have to take the word of "bad science."

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

 

Sure, there's lots of speculation about earthquakes triggering other earthquakes. Maybe they do.

One other thing...who told you that eclipses do not affect tides? Tidal patterns are often affected by the earth's relationship to the moon. Common knowledge on that one.

No. Tidal patterns are always affected by the Moon. It is primarily the Moon which causes tides. Spring tides occur every new moon and every full moon. An eclipse adds nothing to it, it does not make tides higher than during a new moon.
Here is the path of the eclipse over the Marshall Islands.

Here is the tide prediction for Jaluit Atoll.
Jaluit
Jaluit's time zone is UTC+12 so the local time of the eclipse was 3:48PM. At the time of the eclipse the tide level was 3.4 feet. At high tide, which occurred two hours later, the level was 4 feet. A quick glance shows that there is nothing extreme about this level.

Now let's look at another new moon at Jaluit. In three months, the new moon occurs on October 18th. On that day the high tide will be 4.8 feet. Much higher than the day of the eclipse. The eclipse had no effect.

Some may claim that the tide predictions are wrong. They are not. It is very important to mariners that they are correct. Their accuracy has been validated over many many years, eclipses or no. Eclipses have no affect on tides.

[edit on 7/27/2009 by Phage]

I definitely agree with you that tidal patterns are completely affected by the moon. However, your initial post stated that eclipses would not cause, or affect earthquakes etc, or have no affects on tidal patterns.

Now, if tidal patterns are ALWAYS affected by the moon, why would there not also be an affect when there is an eclipse? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. NONE. Especially considering, the tides were not going haywire before the eclipse took place, but they just magically began to occur shortly after the eclipse with no help from the moon. I guess there were just tons of ships at sea that day that agitated the current soooooo much that larger waves than usual were seen by millions. But, I guess we can throw that off as merely coincidence...RIGHT? Just an accident or FREAK OF NATURE. And I also guess that the multiple earthquakes were caused by stampeding elephants being chased by hoards of rabid mice. I guess many people in here forget that 1+1=2. So, I guess we just throw out the scientific process because its a CONSPIRACY THEORY and outlandish to believe that the eclipse could have brought on certain earth changes that may lead to certain catastrophes. Forgive me great Phage for having my head in the clouds.

Originally posted by NathanNewZealand
reply to post by Phage

 

eclipses don't affect tides or earthquakes.

What a moron!

The sun AND the moon both 'pull' on our oceans AND on our mantle. So when they are both in line, they will BOTH be 'pulling' on us at the same time, thus tides WILL be higher and the earth's crust floats on the mantle, so if the mantle tides are high, there WILL be earthquakes.

Learn how the earth works before you try and tell anyone else what affects what.

Excellently stated. It amazes me that there are people who will spend gratuitous amounts of time debunking ANYTHING. This isn't conspiracy people, this isn't some attempt to prove aliens are taking over the planet...its a known fact that our planetary bodies affect the functions of the earth. They are there for a reason folks, plain and simple. Anyone who is so lost in their own ego will blatantly make fools of themselves to appear slightly more knowledgeable.

reply to post by questioningall


I hope some day your dreams will all come true and the world will be destroyed as you desire or at the very least you find a million websites that will loosly string together events and make you think we are all going to die.

[edit on 7/27/2009 by grapesofraft]

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

Did you read my post? If an eclipse has an extraordinary effect on tides, why are the tides not highest directly under the eclipse on the day of the eclipse? Why is the tide 17% higher three months after the eclipse?

I guess you missed this too, posted by Blaine91555 earlier in this thread. There were no extraordinarily high tides in Mumbai.

Last week the SoI slammed the BMC for creating panic by declaring the5.05-metre high tide expected on July 24 as the highest of the century. Its research cell, in a letter to the civic agency, said tides of this height are normal for Mumbai.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com...

You must have missed this too, posted by me. The high waves and resultant increase in local sea levels were caused by a storm at sea.

“There’s a storm out at sea. We can tell how violent it is, and how high the tide will rise from the wind,’’ says Khatim. “Did we know the tide was going to be this high today? Of course, the wind told us,’’ she retorts.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com...

Scientific process? Demonstrate it for me. I've shown you an example of a higher tide occurring 3 months after an eclipse than occurred during an eclipse. Show me some cases of higher tides occurring during an eclipse as opposed to any other new moon. That's a beginning. Saying something happened at the same time as something else and that proves the one caused the other is not science. Even if there were a correlation (which there isn't), there is an important statement which is used when employing the scientific method; "correlation does not imply causality".

Originally posted by NathanNewZealand
reply to post by Phage

 

eclipses don't affect tides or earthquakes.

What a moron!

The sun AND the moon both 'pull' on our oceans AND on our mantle. So when they are both in line, they will BOTH be 'pulling' on us at the same time, thus tides WILL be higher and the earth's crust floats on the mantle, so if the mantle tides are high, there WILL be earthquakes.

Learn how the earth works before you try and tell anyone else what affects what.

Thank you. I grew up next to the ocean. I have a pretty good idea about how the tides work.
Please tell me where I said the sun and moon do not affect tides. The sun and moon are aligned with each other twice each month. Twice each month we get spring tides. An eclipse has no effect on the height of those tides.

[edit on 7/27/2009 by Phage]

Originally posted by epete22
Ha.

Mother earth is about to let out her vengeance against all of the killing and evil on this planet. It is time for detox people.

Sounds about right! All these years of innocent lives dying for a Greed cause... Detox might be right. After all Human + Wildlife + Earth... We are all connected.

reply to [evolvedministry]



At what point did i say lunar activity does not have an effect, infact i believe i actually said that large tides are normally caused by the new/full moon earlier. I merely directed you to a post previously which you choose to ignore, thats fine. I didnt write that article in the link and never claimed too, maybe you should accuse that guy of a superiority complex.
Why so interested in my history fellow lowly ATSer? Surely my opinion is just as valid as yours. Im not the one with an axe to grind, but you seemingly have a strong dislike of skeptics joining up 2 weeks or so ago and giving us this little gem www.abovetopsecret.com...

Well Q gal, yet another thread just full of information, I would bet you were the one in school that always had the best reports and essays. I do look forward to your next thread. However, I am with the majority again and will say that the earthquakes aren't related to the recent event of our moon. although sometimes it sure does seem coincendental that there are earthquakes during full moons. .Oh look QGal... your flag contribution is all blue. great job..

reply to post by Lil Drummerboy

....your flag contribution is all blue. great job..

Excellent =

Maybe after 'Blue', the Flag Level will be programmed next to switch to 'Gold' or something...

Mine, I like to think of as 'Platinum', with just a soupçon of Sapphire. Tres elegant.








Sapphire/Platinum




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reply to post by Phage



Hello!

I think there is a great deal of people that doesn't grasp secondary or third degree waves or any degree thereoff.

It is a pity since that knowledge would allow them to get a bigger picture on how things work.

Many suffice by first degree waves. Thats all they see..

reply to post by questioningall

It is an interesting concept but "100" year quakes, storms and other geological events occur at pretty predictable intervals. They've been going on all over in fairly close procession all over the globe for the past couple of years, the midwest floods of the past winter were an example. I'm more inclined to worry about tectonic disturbances overall affecting the north and south poles since two of them in recent memory actually changed countries' geographic locations (the Banda Aceh quake in 2004 and last week's New Zealand tremor).

reply to post by mrfire9

No offense, but quakes, tornadoes, tidal waves and the like were here long before humans. Assigning human traits and attitudes to inanimate objects is stupid.

This increased activity is nothing new and may not have as much to do with humans as we think, it has gone on at fairly even intervals throughout the earth's history judging by geological evidence. Everything in nature is cyclical.

Originally posted by secretagent woooman
reply to post by mrfire9

 

No offense, but quakes, tornadoes, tidal waves and the like were here long before humans. Assigning human traits and attitudes to inanimate objects is stupid.

This increased activity is nothing new and may not have as much to do with humans as we think, it has gone on at fairly even intervals throughout the earth's history judging by geological evidence. Everything in nature is cyclical.

QFT

I see that SOME people at least have the brains to actually think about it...