Chemtrails being produced through nozzle at aft of jet engine?

Originally posted by OzWeatherman

Originally posted by Udontknowme
No one has ever debunked chemtrails, contrary to claims in this thread.

That never been proven, if I we4re going to posion someone, I would do it by spiking the water supply, much easier....especially if it were the water board doing it

What do you think putting it in the rain is doing??

reply to post by OzWeatherman

I don't know how you hang in there on these chemtrail threads

This is an interesting thread. It's funny to see the back and forth. If it was really happening, anyone "in the know" would know. So the speculation, the posting of links as support of an arguement, really doesn't mean anything. Secrecy is the key. I have taken numerous pictures of Condensation Trails and Chemical Trails. The Con-trails seem to dissapate over a period of time, the "Chem-trails" seem to last longer and they form Cirrus clouds.

The day of the election in Chicago, it was so many trails in the sky, they formed a star. Had to get a picture of it.

Just found this to show that they are using CO2 to supercool atmosphere, and then silver iodide is used to increase cloud activity, or pull moisture away from a system, effectively steering storms.

Dry ice (which is solid carbon dioxide) is often used to flash freeze food, and silver iodide (a chemical sometimes used in antiseptics) has molecular structure very similar to that of ice, allowing the substance to induce freezing when introduced to clouds. Liquid nitrogen is a cryogenic fluid at around –320 degrees Fahrenheit that can cause rapid freezing on contact with living tissue, which is why it's sometimes used to remove skin lesions such as warts.

www.scientificamerican.com...

reply to post by Udontknowme


NO ONE is disputing the fact that "cloud seeding" has been going on for decades!

But, *ahem*, from your SciAmer link, you forgot to post this:

Cloud seeding, whether to induce or suppress precipitation, is anything but a precise science. "Attributing one storm to seeding is very difficult unless the cloud system is incredibly simple, like fog that has no chance of precipitation," Arlen Huggins, associate research scientist in the division of atmospheric sciences at the Desert Research Institute in Reno, Nev., explained in a February Scientific American "Ask the Experts" article.

Either way, Kottlowski points out, cloud seeding does not alter climate or affect weather systems. "It only works over a few dozen square miles," he says. "You can't keep away a major storm" such as a hurricane.

reply to post by Udontknowme


Congratulations, you've uncovered cloud seeding!

Been around since before the 50's and look nothing like what a chemtrail is supposed to.




And for the second time in this thread I direct your attention to this report from a silver iodide factory:

www.cdc.gov...

Deny ignorance.

[edit on 28/7/09 by Chadwickus]

Originally posted by Darthswan
This is an interesting thread. It's funny to see the back and forth. If it was really happening, anyone "in the know" would know. So the speculation, the posting of links as support of an arguement, really doesn't mean anything. Secrecy is the key. I have taken numerous pictures of Condensation Trails and Chemical Trails. The Con-trails seem to dissapate over a period of time, the "Chem-trails" seem to last longer and they form Cirrus clouds.

This is not true.

Regular contrails can dissipate very quickly, or stick around for hours, or anywhere in between. The length of time a regular vapor contrail can last is based on the conditions of the air in which the contrail is made (humidity, etc.).

These different conditions could even be in the same sky at the same time -- but at different altitudes. In fact, a plane which is producing a persistent vapor contrail could then fly into an area that is not conducive to contrail production, at which point that plane would stop producing a contrail.

Very long-lasting vapor contrails have been known to create large cloud-like formations for some time now. Farmers in the 1950s used to complain that the coming of the "Jet Age" also brought with it more vapor contrails that were creating clouds, which they said lessened the sunlight on their crops.

Here's a good website that shows some old pictures of all types of contrails.
Contrails Photos Through History


[edit on 7/28/2009 by Soylent Green Is People]

An important question is this: What would they spray?

On another forum they mentioned Barium.

"Wikipedia warns about Barium's highly reactive nature and potential harm to health:

Barium is a soft silvery metallic alkaline earth metal... never found in nature in its pure form due to its reactivity with air. It is also highly reactive with water or alcohol, producing hydrogen gas.

Its various compounds have a number of industrial uses including x-ray imaging, rat poison, battery technology, lighting and electricity.

All water or acid soluble barium compounds are extremely poisonous. At low doses, barium acts as a muscle stimulant, while higher doses affect the nervous system, causing cardiac irregularities, tremors, weakness, anxiety, dyspnea and paralysis.

Unlike other heavy metals, barium does not bioaccumulate.[1] However, inhaled dust containing barium compounds can accumulate in the lungs, causing a benign condition called baritosis.

Barium acetate could lead to death in high doses. Marie Robards poisoned her father with the substance in Texas in 1993. She was tried and convicted in 1996."

Source


Except I've done a Barium swallow to search for stomach anomalies... (Ulcers, Hernia, etc.)




My problem is also WHY.
Why would a government want to kill off its people?
I know that this whole "Controlling the populace size to maintain control OF the populace" thing is "why" but seriously, if we're reacting like this to a rumor... well, maybe we NEED to be controlled.

[edit on 5-8-2009 by Titus7]

reply to post by Udontknowme


Hi, Looks like you've been fighting with the usual debunker's. I'm sure with their "top secret" clearance they've obviously been in all the restricted bases, and privy to all documents.

Because of their "double secret clearance" is how they are so sure chemtrails aren't real.

Hey, I wanna be a disinfo 'flunkie' also........



All kidding aside, great thread Udontknowme.

reply to post by Chadwickus

It's like trying to argue in a reptilian thread.

I tried that a couple of times.......

They call us UFO people freaks of nature. Have a look at these chem trail loons! jeeze!

On non-afterburning engines the nozzle is a fixed size because the differing atmospheric pressure over the operating altitudes makes little difference to the engine aerodynamics and variable nozzle use is expensive. However, the great range of mass flow rates an afterburning engine generates requires the use of variable nozzle diameters and shapes. Depending on the amount of afterburning, the variable nozzle may be simple or complex. Engines capable of supersonic flight have convergent-divergent duct features that generate supersonic flow. Engines that are required to generate thrust quickly, from idle, use a variable area propelling nozzle in its open configuration to keep thrust to a minimum while maintaining high engine rpm. When thrust is needed, initiating a go-around for example, it is simple and quick to close the nozzle to the high-thrust position.

Wiki article

[edit on 5-8-2009 by DaMod]

reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II


Chemtrails are documented in U.S scientific legislation as an ongoing weather manipulation strategy. No fairy tale here!

hmmm another misguided chemtrail thread.
this chemtrail thread like all the chemtrail threads has produced zero evidence.
to support chemtrails.
i wonder why

I'm not even sure why I'm commenting this but ED8 is not present in jp8(common fuel used by the military for jet and turbine engines).

I served in the military and actually worked with both turbine and jet engines on a daily basis. None of the toxicity data sheets said anything about carcinogens for jp8...


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Originally posted by cooler
hmmm another misguided chemtrail thread.
this chemtrail thread like all the chemtrail threads has produced zero evidence.
to support chemtrails.
i wonder why

You should try reading the thread then.

Title : Change in the Intensity of Artificial Precipitation in Time with Frontal Cloud Modifications,

Corporate Author : FOREIGN TECHNOLOGY DIV WRIGHT-PATTERSON AFB OHIO

Personal Author(s) : Leskov,B. N.

Report Date : 11 JUL 1974

Pagination or Media Count : 19

Abstract : In the report primary attention is given to studying the radar parameters of trails of artificial precipitation obtained from one line of seeding. The investigations made it possible to draw a number of important conclusions for the procedure of isolating the areas of intensified precipitation on the earth's surface and for confirmation of the fact of an increase in precipitation itself.

oai.dtic.mil...

You should also check out this pdf
www.dtic.mil...

[edit on 7-8-2009 by Udontknowme]

Originally posted by Marrr
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

I live in the Midwestern U.S. By saying I see them all of the time, I'm not meaning day in or day out. But once or twice a week wouldn't be too outrageous of a claim. Have been fascinated with meteorology all of my life and have studied it a good part of my younger life. Spent alot of time looking up in the skies as well. Something that forms 25,000 ft plus in the air that spreads out slowly and descends to Earth as the day progress is something I wouldn't classify as jet exhaust. Twenty years ago, a contrail behind a jet that didn't disappear shortly after exhaustion would've been something that caught your eye. It did mine. Not saying that all jet exhaust is like this. I see MANY jets that have normal contrails behind them. Think of your car on a cold, Winters day. As you drive down the street, does the exhaust leaving your tailpipe form one bigasz contrail behind your vehicle, that slowly spreads out to many thousands of feet over time? No, it does not. While this may not be the most valid analogy, I've always liked it.

[edit on 25-7-2009 by Marrr]

I agree with you. I recently moved from Chicago to a place where there are few to no chemtrails and my health has improved exponentially in just 4 months. The Chemtrails in Chicago were killing me and many in my neighborhood. 2 people on my street had MS. Having abundant sunshine now has made my mood, health and everything a milllion times better.

There is evidence that the ubiquitous cloud cover is causing severe vitamin D deficiencies in people especially children...who hardly ever get a sunny day anymore. My children have better grade, more energy and are healthier. The sun has dimmed 20% in the last decade, this is not a fantastical figment of our imagination...we are not stupid, the skies are being polluted by air craft contrails, deliberate or not, they are harmful to our health.www.youtube.com...discovermagazine.com...

[edit on 8/7/2009 by Missing Blue Sky]

I thought this image was pretty interesting concerning this thread subject.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5c94de8978e1.jpg[/atsimg]

reply to post by Udontknowme


That's a very good image to blow the OP's premise completely to shreds.

I've been trying to find similar. Cut-aways are good, too, to help show how NOTHING is introduced into the exhaust nozzles except what comes from the VERY hot combustion chamber, and through the turbine blades....fuel and air. MOSTLY burned fuel.

And, as I've mentioned in this thread, using that diagram of the CFM56 engine, after engine shut-down, on the ground, some unburned fuel will exit the small hole in the exhaust cone. It is to prevent residual unburned fuel from collecting in the burner chambers, so there aren't any "Hot Spots" at next engine start-up.

Originally posted by deprogrammer
reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II

 

Chemtrails are documented in U.S scientific legislation as an ongoing weather manipulation strategy. No fairy tale here!

i hope you are joking, i mean really?
the idiot who came up with that bill thought they were real, but it doesn't make it anymore real than say a bill on the loch ness monster

Originally posted by Missing Blue Sky

Originally posted by Marrr
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

I live in the Midwestern U.S. By saying I see them all of the time, I'm not meaning day in or day out. But once or twice a week wouldn't be too outrageous of a claim. Have been fascinated with meteorology all of my life and have studied it a good part of my younger life. Spent alot of time looking up in the skies as well. Something that forms 25,000 ft plus in the air that spreads out slowly and descends to Earth as the day progress is something I wouldn't classify as jet exhaust. Twenty years ago, a contrail behind a jet that didn't disappear shortly after exhaustion would've been something that caught your eye. It did mine. Not saying that all jet exhaust is like this. I see MANY jets that have normal contrails behind them. Think of your car on a cold, Winters day. As you drive down the street, does the exhaust leaving your tailpipe form one bigasz contrail behind your vehicle, that slowly spreads out to many thousands of feet over time? No, it does not. While this may not be the most valid analogy, I've always liked it.

[edit on 25-7-2009 by Marrr]

I agree with you. I recently moved from Chicago to a place where there are few to no chemtrails and my health has improved exponentially in just 4 months. The Chemtrails in Chicago were killing me and many in my neighborhood. 2 people on my street had MS. Having abundant sunshine now has made my mood, health and everything a milllion times better.

or.. chicago is polluted and the pollution causes the sky to be over cast.
i think you have conformation bias

There is evidence that the ubiquitous cloud cover is causing severe vitamin D deficiencies in people especially children...who hardly ever get a sunny day anymore. My children have better grade, more energy and are healthier. The sun has dimmed 20% in the last decade, this is not a fantastical figment of our imagination...we are not stupid, the skies are being polluted by air craft contrails, deliberate or not, they are harmful to our health.www.youtube.com...discovermagazine.com...

[edit on 8/7/2009 by Missing Blue Sky]

or.. its the pollution from factories!
why is the first thing you think of is chemtrails? why not look into other sources?